"Hindustani language" : Indian propoganda on Wikipedia

[Commander T]

Old gold indian movies are witness to fact that what they speak is URDU. But recently indians have started calling the language as hindi. So, now, they speak Urdu but call it hindi. (.)



First movie is “Bawarchi” link given in my post above. Watch at minutes 0:47:41+.
Two of them using Urdu and Hindi, & commending each other for speaking pure(Shudh) urdu and pure(Khaaliss) hindi well.
youtube.com/watch?v=hpwMpo6gbnM

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Second Movie “Aan Milo Sajna” at 1:43:00+ hunter calls it "Urdu" talking to his son. = "Shaer Tera Baap Lagta Haay Joo Tujh Saay Urdu Mai Baat Keray Gaa"

youtube.com/watch?v=N2d619ZuIw0

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Third movie: “Aye Din Bahar Key” @ 00:12:20 Dharminder asked to teach “Hindi” to a “Asha Paraikh” bcoz her "Hindi" was weak... Then he practices “pure” hindi. Lady talks back in "Urdu". How many Indians use that actual hindi language?.

youtube.com/watch?v=8AM84cafBlw

exactly, this was my point, they have just changed the manuscript and taken some words of hindi....but now they call it hindi so that there can give oxygen to hindi ...sad..

 

[Areesh]

Wow you are dumb muhajir. Intellectual debate doesn't seem to be your forte. I guess that is why you are picking and choosing what to reply to.

Intellectual debate with you? Make yourself eligible for such debate. In short your auqat is not of an intellectual debate.

See, what you said in regard to who started the riots makes no sense, it was indeed Muslims who started the riots in each and every case and Hindus are not the type to take shit unlike Muhajir who fled the country at the first sound of trouble LOL.

And you reacted by slaughtering them and raping their women. Took the revenge? Haan bharati?

Still telling me about so called Muhair persecution after raping Indian muslim women. Hypocrite.

We have had a Muslim Prime Minister

And who is that Bharati?

What about Pak Hindus? They are in a sorry state, women forcefully converted, daughters kidnapped, temples demolished monthly. Disgusting Pakistani behaviour, this is daily for Pakistani Hindus, communal riots happen like once every 3 years roughly LOL.

Ufff typical low IQ of a bharati. I wasn't commenting about minorities in Pakistan. I am just exposing your lies about Muhairs. Why running towards Pakistani hindus to save your as$?

Most of the victims were Hindu, the same people you hate you xenophobic mujahir.

Good. I hope it is not a lie like others. They should pay for their crimes.

n neutral sources it was posted that Hindus were delayed treatment so they could treat Muslims first. Typical Pakistani, I bet the man organising treatment was a mujahir like yourself.

Lol first slaughtering them and then giving them so called treatment. They are still homeless and displaced bharati. First give them their home back.

You are a hated Mujahir living in a foreign land and looked down upon constantly.

Keep telling that to yourself bharati

It's hard to admit but even Indians look down on you people, disgusting muhajir.

That's great. It is a matter of pride for us. I would be worried if we were respected or loved by a filthy kind like yours

 

[Vinod2070]

Old gold indian movies are witness to fact that what they speak is URDU. But recently indians have started calling the language as hindi. So, now, they speak Urdu but call it hindi. (.)

So a Persian wil be able to understand these "Old gold indian movies "?

Urdu is just a khichdi, adding 3000 odd words to an existing vocabulary of 60,000. Using the Arabic script does nothing to change that.

You may choose to obsess over those 3000 words but for us they don't matter. The language is purely Indian and is spoken or understood nowhere outside our region (except by our own people settled outside).

And it remains our choice to kick out the foreign words and replace them with our own Sanskrit rooted Tatsam words. I see no reason why any foreigners should obsess with this.

It is something odd that Pakistan made a national language out of something that was not a native language of any of the provinces. The other choices (Arabic/Persian etc.) were also not native to the land.

Having first done this odd thing, now they need to obsess with what Indians call their language and their need to claim some kind of ownership over Indian movies by calling them "Urdu" as if that makes them somehow Pakistani!

Neither Hindi nor Urdu or Hindustani has anything to do with Pakistan. Just as making Arabic or Persian your national language won't make them your languages.

 

[sur]

So a Persian wil be able to understand these "Old gold indian movies "?

I am NOT persian.

Urdu is just a khichdi, ....

Your own Dharminder & other actors & writers disagree with you. Talk to them. They knew it was URDU & called it so. So should you.

The language is purely Indian ....

Well it's NOT "purely" indian, and it's called URDU. Stop calling it Hindi. It's NOT Hindi. Call it Urdu, just like in following 3 movies they call it URDU...

And it remains our choice to kick out the foreign words and replace them with our own Sanskrit rooted Tatsam words. I see no reason why any foreigners should obsess with this.

Yet, too bad, you have kicked your own classical Hindi out & have adopted Urdu as one of most spoken\understood language india..

URDU is the language of your main-stream movies\Media.​

Go ahead, try to kick it out like your boasted... Try harder. For past hundreds of years you haven't been able to kick out foreign words. Your own classical hindi words are being kicked out continuously.

It is something odd that Pakistan made a national language

And india did NOT make it her official language YET it's one of most commonly spoken languages there. Admit it.

Indian movies by calling them "Urdu" as if that makes them somehow Pakistani!

Where did you get that Pakistan wants to claim it's ownership!!! No Pakistan does NOT... You can keep the ownership for all I care. Congratulations, bravo... Just call it URDU, bcoz that's what it was & that's what it is. And it evolved when Muslims ruled over you. And it's called URDU,, get it.!

Neither Hindi nor Urdu or Hindustani has anything to do with Pakistan. Just as making Arabic or Persian your national language won't make them your languages.

Neither Arabic nor Persian is Pakistan's national language.
What you speak is called URDU. It's NOT hindi. Educate yourself. Watch your own classical movies to get some sense.


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Watch “Bawarchi” at minutes 0:47:41+.
Two of them using Urdu and Hindi, & commending each other for speaking pure(Shudh) urdu and pure(Khaaliss) hindi well.
youtube.com/watch?v=hpwMpo6gbnM

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Watch “Aan Milo Sajna” at 1:43:00+ hunter calls it "Urdu" talking to his son. = "Shaer Tera Baap Lagta Haay Joo Tujh Saay Urdu Mai Baat Keray Gaa"

youtube.com/watch?v=N2d619ZuIw0

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Watch “Aye Din Bahar Key” @ 00:12:20 Dharminder asked to teach “Hindi” to “Asha Paraikh” bcoz her "Hindi" was weak... Then he practices “pure” hindi. Lady talks back in "Urdu". How many Indians use that actual hindi language?.

youtube.com/watch?v=8AM84cafBlw

 

[Vinod2070]

Never helped.

 

[ThunderCat]

it,s not about wikipedia or youtube...it,s about distorting facts and doing propoganda online....and moreover it,s about how pakistanis should respond......but reading articals are commenting on forums or by writing and editing articals and video... and the above wikipedia artical is merely an example.....nothing else...but you can see that just by changing the name of URDU to HINDUSTANI LANGUAGE there is a huge change in geopolitical political point of view of one who do not knows politics of india and pakistan

it,s a language, recently developed by some indian on wikipedia. but still it,s not about articals it,s about propoganda and pakistan,s responce to propoganda..

I know people are going to pop up here and cry "it's an old thread", but I think you have serious issues about etymology.

Hindustani is the name of the language, not Urdu or Hindi. Those two are varieties of the language. "Hindustan" is the medieval Persian word for the land of the Indus. Where is that mostly situated? You guessed it.

"Hindu" is from ancient Persian referring to the people of the Indus. Later the term was used by Muslims rulers upon non-Muslim religions. Then in 1800s, the British invented the term "Hinduism" to refer to these different local South Asian religions.

Look up my thread "Hindustan is not India"

 

[TMA]

So a Persian wil be able to understand these "Old gold indian movies "?

Urdu is just a khichdi, adding 3000 odd words to an existing vocabulary of 60,000. Using the Arabic script does nothing to change that.

You may choose to obsess over those 3000 words but for us they don't matter. The language is purely Indian and is spoken or understood nowhere outside our region (except by our own people settled outside).

And it remains our choice to kick out the foreign words and replace them with our own Sanskrit rooted Tatsam words. I see no reason why any foreigners should obsess with this.

It is something odd that Pakistan made a national language out of something that was not a native language of any of the provinces. The other choices (Arabic/Persian etc.) were also not native to the land.

Having first done this odd thing, now they need to obsess with what Indians call their language and their need to claim some kind of ownership over Indian movies by calling them "Urdu" as if that makes them somehow Pakistani!

Neither Hindi nor Urdu or Hindustani has anything to do with Pakistan. Just as making Arabic or Persian your national language won't make them your languages.

Whilst Hindi (Urdu ) is a Bharati language in its development it is also now Pakistani. Just like English is also an American language and Dari(Persian) an Afghan language.

The resanskritized devangarized Hindi ought not to be called Hindi as the word Hindi is not "native". Me thinks this is a tad ironic.
Also Sanskrit is as much a part of Pakistani history as it is Bharati history.

 

[ThunderCat]

Whilst Hindi (Urdu ) is a Bharati language in its development it is also now Pakistani. Just like English is also an American language and Dari(Persian) an Afghan language.

The resanskritized devangarized Hindi ought not to be called Hindi as the word Hindi is not "native". Me thinks this is a tad ironic.
Also Sanskrit is as much a part of Pakistani history as it is Bharati history.

Wrong. The development of Hindustani occurred by the foreign Mughals residing in what is today Northern India. It was based on Khari boli, another non-ethnic language (as far as I know). The rest of these regions adopted Hindustani after the formation of "India" in 1947.

Whilst Hindi (Urdu ) is a Bharati language in its development it is also now Pakistani. Just like English is also an American language and Dari(Persian) an Afghan language.

The resanskritized devangarized Hindi ought not to be called Hindi as the word Hindi is not "native". Me thinks this is a tad ironic.
Also Sanskrit is as much a part of Pakistani history as it is Bharati history.

Wrong. The development of Hindustani was done by the foreign Mughals in what is today Northern India. It is based on Khari Boli, another non-ethnic language (as far as I know). The rest of the states adopted it after the formation of "India" in 1947.

You're correct about the Sanskrit part. Sanskrit originated in outside of what is today India. Somewhere in Southern Central Asia. It then split into Punjabi, Gujarati, Marhati, Hindustani, Sindhi, Nepali etc.

So, you too believe Urdu came from Central Asia.

Indo-Aryan languages spoken today including Hindustani (Urdu-Hindi) are based on Sanskrit, which originated in Central Asia, so where are they wrong? Or are you laughing at the misconception that it comes from the Turkic languages spoken today in Central Asia? Well that is wrong yes, but you haven't clarified.

 

[Asian.Century]

Hindustani language lol never heard of this sh*t ....fake lies written to make sum history.

 

[Great Brahmin]

Wrong. The development of Hindustani occurred by the foreign Mughals residing in what is today Northern India. It was based on Khari boli, another non-ethnic language (as far as I know). The rest of these regions adopted Hindustani after the formation of "India" in 1947.



Wrong. The development of Hindustani was done by the foreign Mughals in what is today Northern India. It is based on Khari Boli, another non-ethnic language (as far as I know). The rest of the states adopted it after the formation of "India" in 1947.

You're correct about the Sanskrit part. Sanskrit originated in outside of what is today India. Somewhere in Southern Central Asia. It then split into Punjabi, Gujarati, Marhati, Hindustani, Sindhi, Nepali etc.


Indo-Aryan languages spoken today including Hindustani (Urdu-Hindi) are based on Sanskrit, which originated in Central Asia, so where are they wrong? Or are you laughing at the misconception that it comes from the Turkic languages spoken today in Central Asia? Well that is wrong yes, but you haven't clarified.

Sanskrit is formed by Brahmins such as panini because original Aryan language was getting picked up by dasyus/Sudras.

To keep language pure and holy from Sudras Brahmins refined whole language and keep it alive in only among twice Born class of Brahmins and Kshatriyas according to panini himself.

Nothing to do with "South Central Asia".

As for Urdu :

Sanskrit > Prakrit > khariboli {Haryana and weetern up} > Hindi > *bastardization* Urdu

 

[Dubious]

Just watch that jungli movie with Sharukh khan and Kareena....Asoka or watch any of them indian drama with their bhagwans ...they speak Hindi so I avoid watching such stuff!

THAT is hindi...I had to watch with subtitles and my Urdu is not bad!

Now compare that to what Bollywood uses (these days) ....THAT is partial Urdu being passed as Hindi

 

[TMA]

Wrong. The development of Hindustani occurred by the foreign Mughals residing in what is today Northern India. It was based on Khari boli, another non-ethnic language (as far as I know). The rest of these regions adopted Hindustani after the formation of "India" in 1947.



Wrong. The development of Hindustani was done by the foreign Mughals in what is today Northern India. It is based on Khari Boli, another non-ethnic language (as far as I know). The rest of the states adopted it after the formation of "India" in 1947.

You're correct about the Sanskrit part. Sanskrit originated in outside of what is today India. Somewhere in Southern Central Asia. It then split into Punjabi, Gujarati, Marhati, Hindustani, Sindhi, Nepali etc.


Indo-Aryan languages spoken today including Hindustani (Urdu-Hindi) are based on Sanskrit, which originated in Central Asia, so where are they wrong? Or are you laughing at the misconception that it comes from the Turkic languages spoken today in Central Asia? Well that is wrong yes, but you haven't clarified.

So when I said it is a Bharati language I meant coterminous Bharat. And Hindi (the Person-Arabic Script Hindi), according to some, predates the Mughals. Some say that Amir Khusraw laid down the foundations....

 

[Sugarcane]

Sanskrit > Prakrit > khariboli {Haryana and weetern up} > Urdu > *bastardization* Hindi

above is the correct chronology

 

[TMA]

Sanskrit is formed by Brahmins such as panini because original Aryan language was getting picked up by dasyus/Sudras.

To keep language pure and holy from Sudras Brahmins refined whole language and keep it alive in only among twice Born class of Brahmins and Kshatriyas according to panini himself.

Nothing to do with "South Central Asia".

As for Urdu :

Sanskrit > Prakrit > khariboli {Haryana and weetern up} > Hindi > *bastardization* Urdu

Panini was a coterminous Pakistani.
Tell me what language (script) did Amir Khusraw write in, and I am not talking about his Persian language works?

It is the devangarized re sanskritized Hindi that comes after the older Perso-Arabic Hindi (Urdu).

It was during British India times that the Vedantists wanted to "nativise" Hindi and remove Persian and Arabic words and introduced archaic sanskrit words as replacement. Which is fine if that is what they wanted, but the irony is that they still called their language Hindi, which is a "foreign" word! Perhaps you could write to the Government of Bharat and request that they change the name from Hindi to something more "native"?

 

[Great Brahmin]

Panini was a coterminous Pakistani.
Tell me what language (script) did Amir Khusraw write in, and I am not talking about his Persian language works?

It is the devangarized re sanskritized Hindi that comes after the older Perso-Arabic Hindi (Urdu).

It was during British India times that the Vedantists wanted to "nativise" Hindi and remove Persian and Arabic words and introduced archaic sanskrit words as replacement. Which is fine if that is what they wanted, but the irony is that they still called their language Hindi, which is a "foreign" word! Perhaps you could write to the Government of Bharat and request that they change the name from Hindi to something more "native"?

Panini was a brahmin, not some converted low caste jat Gujjar from same region.

He was so tired of your chamar ancestors that he actually created new pangulan for Brahmins.

@padamchen "we wuj brahmins and sheet !"

What a kaliyug, even our toilet cleaners claims to be one of us

above is the correct chronology

You can accept truth because you are an Afghan or Iranic as @padamchen claims.

Your majority chamar convert countrymen on other hand are still fighting for some kind of identity by we wuzzing.