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Hindu group attacks cathedral in central India: police

because ghar wapsi is at gun point mentality
Then what is Christian Conversion? is it not gun point mentality?
Ghar wapsi is also using the same methods these Missionaries employ to convert hindus to christianity.
Why rules are different if a Hindu converts to Christianity and When a Christian reconverts back to his ancestors religion?
 
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God give me a break...targeting the poor...paying them money and allowing their kids a place in the missionary schools a seat and free hostel accommodation..if these are not luring then I have to go learn English again.
Come on Dude don't talk like fools....................Its not General election were you pay RS1000 to Rs500 or Booze to poor to get their votes...................Do you expect their Faithful to your party.................Let us assume Poor get Converted with Money........... how long can Church hold them................So please tell me what expenses for Church to keep a poor convert sticked to Christianity his or Her life time
 
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Take english comprehension classes. I said people should be free to follow any religion they like. However you need to follow what you preach and stop worrying about who is following what religion and then try to convert them.
arey smarty i just said what you said now. what are you trying to pull
 
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Typical child level propaganda:

Did the police state the people arrested are part of a Hindu group? The article mentions Hindu Dharma Sena accused the church of converting, where does the police state that the people arrested are a part of this group?

Mention that two states where attack happened are BJP ruled, but when mentioning the nun, don't mention that its ruled by a Bangladesh loving CM.

Somehow mention Modi while putting no blame on the CM of Bengal who is responsible for law and order.

No statistics of crimes given.

Really, one would have to be seriously dumb to take this piece of joke seriously. Its only good for Modi/India haters to f@p over and little else.

Anyway, the nun case is revealing interesting things with the BD and now Pak angle. These propagandists seem desperate.
 
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Really....then ban all conversion..dude I have stayed in a Christian missionary for 5 years. Know it in and out..lets not spill the beans. Either you allow conversion or not...thats it.

1. why dont you spill the beans so that we might reconsider the rhetoric might be having some weight
2. You can not ban conversion as long as these are NOT at gun point or based on threatening

ghar wapsi is by force by Hindu extremist groups that too when these hindus groups are not even ready to consider the converted hindus as human
 
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1. why dont you spill the beans so that we might reconsider the rhetoric might be having some weight
2. You can not ban conversion as long as these are NOT at gun point or based on threatening

ghar wapsi is by force by Hindu extremist groups that too when these hindus groups are not even ready to consider the converted hindus as human

Any source.............
 
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Still we need strong anti conversion law.

Its placed in Arunachal Pradesh, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh and Odisha because the state assemblies have adopted it.

On National level it can be adopted but the recent attack took place in Jabalpur, Madhya Pradesh which is already having Anti Conversion law. I know its hard for the State Government in Madhya Pradesh to check the missionaries activities but if Hindu organization wants to safeguard thier religion then they have to let the state administration to look into the issue.

Even on dont deny that on National level plans are being made to oppose the Anti Conversion bill but its mainly the rural Indians who are suffering be it in the attack in Madhya Pradesh, West bengal or Haryana. those all are Indians who are dieing.
 
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Then what is Christian Conversion? is it not gun point mentality?

HOW? do they threaten anyone for conversion? if yes please do post as i really do not know if they had used threatening language or other threatening methods


Ghar wapsi is also using the same methods these Missionaries employ to convert hindus to christianity.
Why rules are different if a Hindu converts to Christianity and When a Christian reconverts back to his ancestors religion?

What are these methods used by Hindus? for re-conversion of Christians in India?
 
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What are these methods used by Hindus? for re-conversion of Christians in India?
You got to go back into history to find out what is going on today:

While delivering a presidential address to the Hindu Mahasabha in 1937, Mr. Golwalkar said: “the foreign elements in Hindusthan” had but “two courses” of action open to them, entertaining “no idea but those of the glorification of the Hindu race and culture, i.e., of the Hindu nation and must lose their separate existence to merge in the Hindu race,” or they were to live “wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation, claiming nothing, deserving no privileges, far less any preferential treatment not even citizen’s rights.”

The foreign elements being Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, and other minorities.
 
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HOW? do they threaten anyone for conversion? if yes please do post as i really do not know if they had used threatening language or other threatening methods




What are these methods used by Hindus? for re-conversion of Christians in India?
How do you know Ghar Wapsi was threatening?They reconverted out of their own will.Christian missionaries routinely use threat to convert in North East India.It was the norm when Goa was under Portugese occupation.

Those who want to reconvert are asked to do a Havan and shuddi karan to reconvert back to Hinduism.

1. why dont you spill the beans so that we might reconsider the rhetoric might be having some weight
2. You can not ban conversion as long as these are NOT at gun point or based on threatening

ghar wapsi is by force by Hindu extremist groups that too when these hindus groups are not even ready to consider the converted hindus as human
AGAIN spreading Disinformation sitting in Pakistan about India.
Who told you Ghar wapsi is by force and done by Hindu Extremist groups?
The converted become Hindus,simple.Do you know anything Arya Samaj and their shuddikaran rituals?
 
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Even as Opposition parties up the ante over alleged incidents of religious reconversion, the Dharm Jagran Samiti has declared that it will ensure India becomes a Hindu Rashtra by 2021.

Licence to stay

Speaking in Agra on Thursday, a Dharm Jagran Samiti (DJS) functionary said Muslims and Christians will have to convert to Hinduism if they want to stay in this country.

The DJS has been at the forefront of the reconversion - or ‘ghar wapsi’ - programmes in recent times in which some Muslims have been reportedly ‘reconverted’ to Hinduism
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Conversion has become a major political hot potato with a few Hindu organisations holding ‘ghar wapsi’ ceremonies—the photo shows one such exercise in Agra—to ‘reconvert’ Muslims

However, their action drew widespread condemnation, leading to the arrest of one activist.




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“Our target is to make India a Hindu Rashtra by 2021. The Muslims and Christians don’t have any right to stay here.

“So they would either be converted to Hinduism or forced to run away from here,” Uttar Pradesh DJS head Rajeshwar Singh said.

He was reacting to the arrest of Nand Kishore Valmiki, a DJS activist.

Valmiki was arrested on Tuesday for his alleged involvement in forcefully converting over 100 Muslims to Hinduism in Agra.

Singh said although he has temporarily suspended his ‘ghar wapsi’ programme in Aligarh and some other districts of the state that were supposed to be held on December 25, it would be restarted soon.

The DJS leader claimed that those who have been opposing ‘ghar wapsi’ were fearful of Muslims.

But, he would set India free from this fear, he added.

“I belong to the Solanki sub-caste within the Rajput caste. The Thakurs (Rajputs) respect me. I am their leader and they follow my orders.

“The Muslims had converted Rajputs to Islam by force. But the Rajputs are rising again.

“I will ensure that India is freed of Muslims and Christians by December 31, 2021,” Singh said.

In Etah, Singh reiterated his stand, saying he wouldn’t let Muslims and Christians convert the Hindus.

“We will not let them hunt the Hindus,” he said.

“The enemies have tried many a time in the past to finish Hinduism. But every time, Ram, Krishna and Chanakya came forward to finish them and restore the glory of Hinduism.

“I am also doing the same.”

Explaining the DJS’ plans, Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP) secretary general Champat Rai told Mail Today: “We are of the view that there are a handful of Muslims in India.

“Others within the Muslim community are actually Hindus. Their ancestors were converted to Islam forcefully.

“Even writer Taslima Nasrin has said that her ancestors were Hindus. The Batts, who are Muslims in Jammu and Kashmir, are actually Bhatts, the Hindus.”

Rai claimed ‘ghar wapsi’ has been an ongoing VHP campaign for the last 60 years.

A resolution in this regard was passed during the 1966 Maha Kumbh in Allahabad, he said.

“We have re-inducted over six lakh people into Hinduism since 1966.

“Mahatma Gandhi, Savarkar and Swami Dayanand Saraswati had expressed their concern over religious conversion.

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Uttar Pradesh DJS head Rajeshwar Singh claimed that those who have been opposing ‘ghar wapsi’ were fearful of Muslims

“They believed it was poisoning the society. Bringing them back to their original religion means correcting the wrong.

"It is the appropriate time now to take it up on a bigger scale,” he added.

A Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) leader told Mail Today that they have formed committees in every district of the state for this purpose.

“We have included some Arya Samaj priests in the team because they issue a certificate to a converted person.

"This is a major document to prove that the converted person agrees to it,” he said.

'Independent'

When asked about the posture of the Modi Government on this issue, he said: “We never ask Modi or any other BJP leader before chalking out our strategy.

“We only expect them to speak for or against us to clarify their stand. But Modi is the Prime Minister.

“So his silence means his approval. It is the right time for us to fulfil our agenda.”

UP minister Azam Khan said: “RSS is behaving like the Taliban. They don’t want the Constitution of India.

“They have their own agenda of finishing humanism.”

Meanwhile, reacting sharply to the DJS statement, Congress general secretary Digvijaya Singh said: “DJS is a wing of RSS, which had supported Modi and the BJP during the Lok Sabha elections.

“They are now drifting away from the agenda of the NDA.”

He dared the Modi Government to either accept the activities of DJS or “show some guts” and disband it.



Modi stands firm despite challenges from Rajya Sabha

By Amit Agnihotri



Prime Minister Narendra Modi has rejected the Opposition’s demand that he reply to the ongoing debate in the Rajya Sabha on alleged forced conversions.

His decision emboldened the ruling dispensation to blame the Opposition’s “arrogance of numbers” for the ongoing logjam in the Upper House that threatens to derail the Government’s economic reform agenda.

Finance Minister Arun Jaitley pointed to the “smooth functioning” of the Lok Sabha, saying the Rajya Sabha hold-up points to “arrogance of numbers, not the arrogance of the Government”.

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Prime Minister Narendra Modi is said to be upset with the Opposition after he made a statement on the Sadhvi Niranjan Jyoti controversy, but the logjam in the Rajya Sabha continued despite his address to the House

The Opposition hit back, saying the Government’s “tyranny of majority” had ensured that the Lower House functioned smoothly despite nine parties “fighting tooth and nail on the issue of conversions”.

While the Government has a brute majority in the Lower House, the Opposition has an upper hand in the Rajya Sabha.

Prime Minister Modi is said to have asked the Government to remain firm in the face of the Opposition’s attack on conversion, and suggested explaining its position directly to the people.

Nine opposition parties have kept the Government on its toes by not letting the Rajya Sabha function for the past four days, seeking the PM’s statement on the controversial issue of conversions, wherein Muslims have been “reconverted” to Hinduism by way of “ghar wapsi” ceremonies.

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FM Arun Jaitley said Congress in the Rajya Sabha were suffering from the 'arrogance of numbers'

The PM came to the Upper House on Thursday as it was the designated day he was supposed to answer questions related to ministries under him, but there was no word from him on the Opposition’s demand.

Sources said the PM had made a statement in both houses of Parliament earlier in the session, ticking off his junior colleague Sadhvi Niranjan Jyoti for her controversial remarks, but that had not led to smooth functioning of the House.

The “betrayal” by the Opposition, sources said, was playing on the PM’s mind and is what drove him to ask his team to remain firm.

“The PM has confidence in his ministers. If he feels the need to intervene on any issue, he will, but not under the Opposition’s threat,” a Union minister said.

The Government sources, however, acknowledged that given the deadlock, the Winter Session, which ends December 23, might end without key reform Bills related to insurance and coal sectors passing muster.

The Government’s strategy now is to break the united Opposition camp to make the most of the three working days left in the session.

They hope that the move could help it pass at least the insurance Bill which aims to increase the FDI cap to 49 per cent.


By Piyush Srivastava

The Uttar Pradesh Police on Thursday claimed they had foiled plans by the Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP) and Dharm Jagran Samiti (DJS) to organise another ‘ghar wapsi’ exercise in Ghazipur, Varanasi and Allahabad.

“We are alert and preventing all organisations from holding such programmes,” Varanasi Inspector General of Police Amrendra Singh said on Thursday, adding that some people had been detained in Ghazipur for organising a religious function without seeking the administration’s permission.

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Fighting back: Muslims holding a protest against the alleged conversion of some of families of the community in Agra

The VHP, however, claimed they are “on the job” and that the state government would soon realise it had failed to stop them.

“We are against conversion and want the Narendra Modi Government to bring a strong law against it,” VHP leader Ashok Singhal said.

“What we are doing is ‘ghar wapsi’, in which people participate willingly and return to their original religion.

“So while conversion is a crime, ghar wapsi is holy work. We are going ahead with our programme without any publicity,” he added.

Meanwhile, although the VHP and its affiliates say they have suspended the mass “reconversion” programme they were to hold in Western Uttar Pradesh on December 25, several DJS and Hindu Yuva Vahini members have reportedly been visiting villages across Aligarh, Hathras, Bulandshahr and Etah to mobilise Muslims and Christians whose ancestors were converted from Hinduism.

A VHP leader claimed on the condition of anonymity that Yogi Kaushalanand, a disciple of Gorakhpur MP Yogi Adityanath, has been camping in Aligarh to monitor the preparation.

“We will hold our programme any day without seeking the administration’s permission.

“Adityanath will reach next week without any prior information, and we will hold the programme. The police are free to arrest us,” the VHP leader added.

Reports have also emerged that 70 members of Scheduled Castes were allegedly converted to Christianity by missionary organisation India Hope Centre in village Matehikalan, Bahraich, on Wednesday.

The police took one person in custody on Thursday for interrogation in this regard.

“The police are probing the charges. But so far we have not found substance in it,” Superintendent of Police R.L. Verma said.



Read more: 'We will free India of Muslims and Christians by 2021': DJS leader vows to continue 'ghar wapsi' plans and restore 'Hindu glory' | Daily Mail Online
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Meanwhile,

VILLUPURAM:As a bid to rob a 75kg Ayyappa idol failed, unidentified miscreants took away a 15kg bronze arch behind the idol early on Saturday at Kollathur near Thiruvennainallur.

On Friday around 8pm, the local priest Ranjith (20) locked the temple after the evening rites. On Saturday morning, he was shocked to find the temple lock broken and noticed that the Ayyappa idol was tampered with. The miscreants failed to move the 75kg idol, so they broke the bronze arch behind the idol and took it away.

On getting the information, the Kollathur village president Alamelu Ealumalai and local villagers lodged a complaint with Thiruvennainallur police station.
 
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