Himachal ban on Hindu animal sacrifices sparks debate among legal experts

[greatone]

I am from Himachal so I know the situation on the ground.
This is another example of our sikular media.
This ban is targeted at tribals who sacrifice animals to local devtas.
Nothing to do with Muslims.

 

[chauvunist]

 

[Dem!god]

I am not much of a 'religious' kind, hence, not much worried about the religious part of the ban, but if we try to be logical on this issue, then certain questions come up:

1. Are those animals that are being sacrificed in the temples are endangered or protected species, thus illegal to kill?
- The answer is NO.

2. Are those animals are also being killed in India for human consumption?
- The answer is YES.

3. Is animal sacrifice prohibited in Hinduism?
- The answer is NO.

4. Are the temple owners/administrators free to decide how they want to do the puja path, and what to offer to gods, as per their tradition & beliefs?
- The answer is YES.

5. Are the protestors free to go to any other temple where animal sacrifice is not the tradition?
- The answer is YES.

6. Was the court acted in a biased manner when it banned animal sacrifice for one particular religious group?
- The answer is YES.

Then how the court came to the conclusion that animal sacrifice or offering meat to gods is illegal when the same meat is being consumed by many Indians all over the country, legally?

If killing animal is brutality, then killing them for human consumption is also brutality, should we ban all non-veg food next? Can we stretch that argument for living plants also?

---- To all Indians who are supporting this judgement.
@Bang Galore @utraash @SarthakGanguly @Dem!god

Hinduism also need to cleanse it self...
we are no more living in stone age..
killing animal is brutality... we offer a animal to god.. then why don't we offer a human... that will certainly make a better sacrifice ... and most noble one...

and by the way i am already 100% veg... i don't like eating meat or slaughtering animals... every soul in this world has equal right to live.. unless and untill its the matter of safety or life or death..

 

[utraash]

I am not much of a 'religious' kind, hence, not much worried about the religious part of the ban, but if we try to be logical on this issue, then certain questions come up:

1. Are those animals that are being sacrificed in the temples are endangered or protected species, thus illegal to kill?
- The answer is NO.

2. Are those animals are also being killed in India for human consumption?
- The answer is YES.

3. Is animal sacrifice prohibited in Hinduism?
- The answer is NO.

4. Are the temple owners/administrators free to decide how they want to do the puja path, and what to offer to gods, as per their tradition & beliefs?
- The answer is YES.

5. Are the protestors free to go to any other temple where animal sacrifice is not the tradition?
- The answer is YES.

6. Was the court acted in a biased manner when it banned animal sacrifice for one particular religious group?
- The answer is YES.

Then how the court came to the conclusion that animal sacrifice or offering meat to gods is illegal when the same meat is being consumed by many Indians all over the country, legally?

If killing animal is brutality, then killing them for human consumption is also brutality, should we ban all non-veg food next? Can we stretch that argument for living plants also?

---- To all Indians who are supporting this judgement.
@

I find no logical reason behind any animal sacrifices unless it becomes only survival source ... top of the above God also live in the soul of innocent soul.....
You reminded me budha story ... Maarne wale se jada bachane wale ka haq hota hai......

 

[Yogijaat]

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[SledgeHammer]

Hinduism also need to cleanse it self...
we are no more living in stone age..
killing animal is brutality... we offer a animal to god.. then why don't we offer a human... that will certainly make a better sacrifice ... and most noble one...

and by the way i am already 100% veg... i don't like eating meat or slaughtering animals... every soul in this world has equal right to live.. unless and untill its the matter of safety or life or death..

I find no logical reason behind any animal sacrifices unless it becomes only survival source ... top of the above God also live in the soul of innocent soul.....
You reminded me budha story ... Maarne wale se jada bachane wale ka haq hota hai......

First, sacrificing humans would be illegal as per the law of the land, but killing goats are not illegal.

Second, both of you are proposing vegetarianism, but we do not have any law in our constitution that makes non-vegetarianism illegal.

So, what would be the legal validity of the judgement in the higher courts? I mean, if killing animals to offer meat to humans is not illegal, how can it be illegal in the case of gods as per the old tradition? I am strictly trying to be logical here and looking for a logical explanation.

 

[Yogijaat]

First, sacrificing humans would be illegal as per the law of the land, but killing goats are not illegal.

Second, both of you are proposing vegetarianism, but we do not have any law in our constitution that makes non-vegetarianism illegal.

So, what would be the legal validity of the judgement in the higher courts? I mean, if killing animals to offer meat to humans is not illegal, how can it be illegal in the case of gods as per the old tradition? I am strictly trying to be logical here and looking for a logical explanation.

This is what written on one of the edicts of Ashoka

Twenty-six years after my coronation various animals were declared to be protected – parrots, mainas, //aruna//, ruddy geese, wild ducks, //nandimukhas, gelatas//,bats, queen ants, terrapins, boneless fish, vedareyaka, gangapuputaka, fish, tortoises, porcupines, squirrels, deer, bulls, //okapinda//, wild asses, wild pigeons, domestic pigeons and all four-footed creatures that are neither useful nor edible. Those nanny goats, ewes and sows which are with young or giving milk to their young are protected, and so are young ones less than six months old. Cocks are not to be caponized, husks hiding living beings are not to be burnt and forests are not to be burnt either without reason or to kill creatures. One animal is not to be fed to another.

—Edict on Fifth Pillar

we use Ashoka's wheel of law on our national flag, i would say remove that from our flag because it is against our secular ideology

 

[Dem!god]

First, sacrificing humans would be illegal as per the law of the land, but killing goats are not illegal.

Second, both of you are proposing vegetarianism, but we do not have any law in our constitution that makes non-vegetarianism illegal.

So, what would be the legal validity of the judgement in the higher courts? I mean, if killing animals to offer meat to humans is not illegal, how can it be illegal in the case of gods as per the old tradition? I am strictly trying to be logical here and looking for a logical explanation.

lolzzz.... laws are made for the people.. not people are made for law.

we have many law with many exceptions for many class of society... and if u know constitutional.. than u must be aware that constitution is amendable accordiny.. either by simple amendment bill or constitution amendment act under article 368... and indian constitution do not interfere in religious purpose of the people but at the same time it also do not shun it self away from it....

ban on killing is not the matter of statutory law of the land but of the demand of the time... we are not living in stone age as i hv said before... killing innocent animals in name of sacrifice can certainly not be called a moral act in today's society...
and don't take me wrong i am not propagating vegetarianism here(though i believe its better way to live)
u are free to eat veg, non veg.. but killing in name of religion is certainly an outdated concept...
religion is the veil humanity uses to do weird things... to conceal itself from the rationale thinking...
religion should be used as a +ve concept not a -ve one...

 

[utraash]

First, sacrificing humans would be illegal as per the law of the land, but killing goats are not illegal.

Second, both of you are proposing vegetarianism, but we do not have any law in our constitution that makes non-vegetarianism illegal.

So, what would be the legal validity of the judgement in the higher courts? I mean, if killing animals to offer meat to humans is not illegal, how can it be illegal in the case of gods as per the old tradition? I am strictly trying to be logical here and looking for a logical explanation.

Chances are high to be upheld in higher courts too.....
I am against it coz it is done for so called appeasement of god if someone simply wants to eat it he or she can n m not against that.....
I was non veggie once upon a time but you know change of heart when you see some more meaningful ways to quench the lust of of your tounge.... Anyway i cant be reason for someone killing......

 

[unbiasedopinion]

All kind of trading involving animals for slaughter etc should be banned. THese kind of stuff is premitive and is stone age when human had not learnt the art of agriculture. Now since we have advanced so much in agriculture, is it necessary to have animal farms to grow them for the purpose of killing them? How is it different if some one does that to humans? This is worse than if some one raise a human child and later push it for prostitution.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I am not much of a 'religious' kind, hence, not much worried about the religious part of the ban, but if we try to be logical on this issue, then certain questions come up:

1. Are those animals that are being sacrificed in the temples are endangered or protected species, thus illegal to kill?
- The answer is NO.

2. Are those animals are also being killed in India for human consumption?
- The answer is YES.

3. Is animal sacrifice prohibited in Hinduism?
- The answer is NO.

4. Are the temple owners/administrators free to decide how they want to do the puja path, and what to offer to gods, as per their tradition & beliefs?
- The answer is YES.

5. Are the protestors free to go to any other temple where animal sacrifice is not the tradition?
- The answer is YES.

6. Was the court acted in a biased manner when it banned animal sacrifice for one particular religious group?
- The answer is YES.

Then how the court came to the conclusion that animal sacrifice or offering meat to gods is illegal when the same meat is being consumed by many Indians all over the country, legally?

If killing animal is brutality, then killing them for human consumption is also brutality, should we ban all non-veg food next? Can we stretch that argument for living plants also?

---- To all Indians who are supporting this judgement.
@Bang Galore @utraash @SarthakGanguly @Dem!god

I stand by your point too. Only that God's name should not be taken while we take lives!
It must be extended to all other faiths as well. (You know what I mean )

Try "us"
PETA activists beaten up for calling on Muslims to observe vegetarian Eid - News18.com

I got beaten up too in the past. By 'The Usual Suspects'.

its true brother

here is hindu festival Gadhimai images search
look at it
festival Gadhimai - Google Search

In the first image one badass buffalo is standing.

Very sorry scene indeed.

 

[Yogijaat]

I got beaten up too in the past. By 'The Usual Suspects'.

lesson learned Now stay away from..... "us"

 

[SledgeHammer]

This is what written on one of the edicts of Ashoka

Twenty-six years after my coronation various animals were declared to be protected – parrots, mainas, //aruna//, ruddy geese, wild ducks, //nandimukhas, gelatas//,bats, queen ants, terrapins, boneless fish, vedareyaka, gangapuputaka, fish, tortoises, porcupines, squirrels, deer, bulls, //okapinda//, wild asses, wild pigeons, domestic pigeons and all four-footed creatures that are neither useful nor edible. Those nanny goats, ewes and sows which are with young or giving milk to their young are protected, and so are young ones less than six months old. Cocks are not to be caponized, husks hiding living beings are not to be burnt and forests are not to be burnt either without reason or to kill creatures. One animal is not to be fed to another.

—Edict on Fifth Pillar

we use Ashoka's wheel of law on our national flag, i would say remove that from our flag because it is against our secular ideology

Is it "Law of the land"? - NO.

I am strictly talking about the legal aspect of the judgement.

lolzzz.... laws are made for the people.. not people are made for law.

we have many law with many exceptions for many class of society... and if u know constitutional.. than u must be aware that constitution is amendable accordiny.. either by simple amendment bill or constitution amendment act under article 368... and indian constitution do not interfere in religious purpose of the people but at the same time it also do not shun it self away from it....

ban on killing is not the matter of statutory law of the land but of the demand of the time... we are not living in stone age as i hv said before... killing innocent animals in name of sacrifice can certainly not be called a moral act in today's society...
and don't take me wrong i am not propagating vegetarianism here(though i believe its better way to live)
u are free to eat veg, non veg.. but killing in name of religion is certainly an outdated concept...
religion is the veil humanity uses to do weird things... to conceal itself from the rationale thinking...
religion should be used as a +ve concept not a -ve one...

1. Is the law in place? - NO.

2. Has the constitution been amended already? - NO.

3. Moral or not, is it constitutionally illegal as of now? - NO.

Courts are not authorized to make laws btw, courts are there to judge a case as per the existing laws.

Chances are high to be upheld in higher courts too.....
I am against it coz it is done for so called appeasement of god if someone simply wants to eat it he or she can n m not against that.....
I was non veggie once upon a time but you know change of heart when you see some more meaningful ways to quench the lust of of your tounge.... Anyway i cant be reason for someone killing......

How? That's what I am more interested in, courts are supposed to give verdicts as per the existing laws of the land, so animal sacrifice is against which law written in our constitution?

I stand by your point too. Only that God's name should not be taken while we take lives!
It must be extended to all other faiths as well. (You know what I mean )

Uh, you always stand by everyone's point of view, too diplomatic. Again, if killing non-endangered species of animals is not illegal as per the constitution of India, and if animal sacrifice is not prohibited in Hinduism, then how can a court of law stop it? I can understand if society collectively stand against it and decides not to practice it anymore, but under which law court can stop it? Or how valid such a judgement is? Remember, courts are supposed to give verdict in a dispassionate manner, and as per the books.

 

[Yogijaat]

Is it "Law of the land"? - NO.
I am strictly talking about the legal aspect of the judgement.

it is against our secular credentials to use a symbol of some communal bigot

 

[SledgeHammer]

it is against our secular credentials to use a symbol of some communal bigot

Exactly what are you talking about? I am just saying that the 'edict of Ashoka' that you have mentioned is not a law in India, hence not enforceable by law.