High tech export: india is worse than Philippines

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Some "pdf Chinese" predicted MoM failure, some "pdf Chinese" congratulated MoM success. What is your point keeping referring to "pdf Chinese"?

Even after several years since 2009 , We Indians are still privileged to get free pdf Chinese insightful predictions and life in future tense like below:

I do not think "they could" even reach today’s China in their life time

I really doubt if "India can" achieve half of what China has achieved.

 

[AndrewJin]

Ah Indian just point and laughed at them.

Indian mar prob all depend on NASA guiding system for the prob to reach mar.

And they don't even recognise NASA's decisive contribution......
Wait, 99% NASA staff are Hindu!

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Ah Indian just point and laughed at them.

Indian mar prob all depend on NASA guiding system for the prob to reach mar.

So sad, all Chinese laughing at India's mars mission failure, Indians here very much envy pdf Chinese predictions

 

[phancong]

And they don't even recognise NASA's decisive contribution......
Wait, 99% NASA staff are Hindu!

Their mission almost got cancel in the last minute without NASA agreement.

 

[Dungeness]

Even after several years after 2009 , We Indians are still privileged to get free pdf Chinese insightful predictions and life in future tense like below:

India's bragging track record warrants the suspicion:

Manned space flight by 2015;
Manned Moon landing by 2020;
Super-supercomputer by 2017;
superpower by 2012;
...........

One on-time delivery is not enough to wash it off, no matter how many times "pdf Indians" quot the same success.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Their mission almost got cancel in the last minute without NASA agreement.

Yes, very true I heard China blackmailed NASA personal it would not send made in china laptops and smartphones which NASA staff heavily depended upon for this mission, but eventually China decided to be merciful, hence the mission went on.

India's bragging track record warrants the suspicion:

Manned space flight by 2015;
Manned Moon landing by 2020;
Super-supercomputer by 2017;
superpower by 2012;
...........

One on-time delivery is not enough to wash it off, no matter how many times "pdf Indians" quot the same success.

Well I am not disputing pdf Chinese predictions here, I fully support that amazing ability pdf Chinese posses.

No point justifying it to me

 

[Dungeness]

Yes, very true I heard China blackmailed NASA personal it would not send made in china laptops and smartphones which NASA staff heavily depended upon for this mission, but eventually China decided to be merciful, hence the mission went on.


Well I am not disputing pdf Chinese predictions here, I fully support that amazing ability pdf Chinese posses.

No point justifying it to me

Don't blame Chinese for India's big mouth. You should have balls to face those past bragging.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Don't blame Chinese for India's big mouth. You should have balls to face those past bragging.

Where did I blame pdf Chinese for their predictions, rather "future tense" pdf Chinese predictions are very much valued by me

 

[randomradio]

A yes and no question for you... without NASA deep space network, would India be able to send the probe to Mars. Don’t give me what if’s and that India can create a deep space network. All I’m asking is if without DSN, would the Indian probe reach the Mars orbit by itself, yes or no?

No. And that's true of any communication system. We can't fly to Tokyo over China without the help of Chinese ATCs.

India also has a deep space network.
http://www.vssc.gov.in/VSSC_V4/inde...ndrayaan-1/967-indian-deep-space-network-idsn

The fact is Mangalyan is our achievement, it has nothing to do with NASA's DSN.

 

[Dungeness]

No. And that's true of any communication system. We can't fly to Tokyo over China without the help of Chinese ATCs.

India also has a deep space network.
http://www.vssc.gov.in/VSSC_V4/inde...ndrayaan-1/967-indian-deep-space-network-idsn

The fact is Mangalyan is our achievement, it has nothing to do with NASA's DSN.

The following story may help to understand how crucial NASA's role (paid $10 million by ISRO) was in India's Mars Mission. MOM is India's success, but one should give credit where credit is due.


US govt shutdown may force Isro to delay October 28 Mars mission launch by 2 years
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...on-launch-by-2-years/articleshow/23546498.cms

 

[Vijyes Yechury]

Despite the obvious results on high tech exports which are recorded, all this tells us about the sad, (if not mournful) scenario of Indian share of its high tech exports that are lacking big time.

But as imagined, perceived and anticipated, Modians ego got hurt. As a result they came up with some patchwork & mishmash to create and insert some doubts that would help them climb few rungs on this discussion ladder.

All this is being done by Modians is because they have "Hum Kisi Se kum nahi" syndrome = "We are inferior to none" type.

But in reality, as it is seen through all the GINI and HDI indexes, India falls flat on most of the parameters - Even on happiness Index India is far from poor African & South American countries.

Just last month, this myth of fastest growing country myth was busted.

Look at the pathetic per capita purchasing power of low income country as India (citizens), even a countries like Thailand & Indonesia beat India.

India's overseas debt = half a trillion dollars (Modi wont tell you this)

Look how precarious a country can be when it enters into a loan agreement with WB for paltry 39 million dollars:
loan agreement: India signs $39 million pact with World Bank for ..

India has no class, Indians are lazy & lethargic.
All hat no cattle.
Simply simple.

You are mentally unsound who has no idea of what is meaningful and what is fanciful. Just keep your retarded attitude with yourself.

When India is giving 5 billion dollars in aid to bangladesh, do you think India needs 40 million dollars loan? It is not desperation but intelligent forex management.

India knows what is sustainable and what is not. Mass manufacture is not Indian goal. India does enough research in defence and communication fields and that is more than enough. Investment based mass manufacture can be done even in Somalia. We don't need such bullshit.

India's bragging track record warrants the suspicion:

Manned space flight by 2015;
Manned Moon landing by 2020;
Super-supercomputer by 2017;
superpower by 2012;
...........

One on-time delivery is not enough to wash it off, no matter how many times "pdf Indians" quot the same success.

India is not foolish to spend unnecessary money on manned flight. India will never do manned flight unless something meaningful is to be discovered or obtained from it. Just squatting on space ship is not meaningful. Indians are always stingy with expenditures. That doesn't mean anything. For India, space research is for communication, military, remote sensing and gimmicks like Mangalyan for attraction of foreign business to launch satellite.

The following story may help to understand how crucial NASA's role (paid $10 million by ISRO) was in India's Mars Mission. MOM is India's success, but one should give credit where credit is due.


US govt shutdown may force Isro to delay October 28 Mars mission launch by 2 years
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...on-launch-by-2-years/articleshow/23546498.cms

NASA didn't give any technology to India. USA is directly opposite to India and hence it was wise to rent NASA base. So, when Mangalyan is in the other side, India will not be able to access the vehicle and hence requested NASA to 'RENT' its base on the opposite side if the world. India, if it wished, could have set up a base on its own by refitting a big cargo ship with equipment. But that would have escalated the cost heavily.

Indian intention of Mars orbiter was to advertise its ability to gain foreign satellite launch business and not a genuine attempt to research. So, to prevent cost escalation, ISRO had to rent NASA base to provide support to the launch mission when the orbiter is over the other side of earth.

 

[seesonic]

Philippines is a puppet of the USA. USA has bases in philippines. But, recently the new president is drifting away just like Erdogan. USA is losing influence fast. Just like South Korea, Japan have no resource but USA patronage, philippines also is in similar situation.

There is nothing big to speak here. India has always been service sector oriented and not a manufacturing hub. India didn't want to exploit its natural resources too much and only focused on sustainable things.

Philippines has poor R&D. It is just that some low end goods like motor vehicles are considered as high tech good and the numbers are skewed. Let us only consider chips, defence, space, electronics to see who stand where

LMAO

Desperate face saving measure.

Why is Modi so hard up on its made in India policy?

Delhi is the most polluted city in the world and you are lying by saying India is "focused on sustainable things" ?

 

[Sucha Kuggu]

NOTE: These stats are about HiTech goods, not the HiTech services, and its the hell of the difference.

 

[randomradio]

The following story may help to understand how crucial NASA's role (paid $10 million by ISRO) was in India's Mars Mission. MOM is India's success, but one should give credit where credit is due.


US govt shutdown may force Isro to delay October 28 Mars mission launch by 2 years
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...on-launch-by-2-years/articleshow/23546498.cms

Nobody is saying NASA's role wasn't important. But NASA only provided communication support, everything else was our own work.

It doesn't matter if NASA supports a Chinese mission also, the mission's success or failure will have nothing to do with NASA. If your mission fails, nobody will come and say the mission failed because of NASA, it will be a failure of the Chinese agency. Similarly, had Mangalyan failed, it would be a failure of ISRO, not NASA. Hence the same applies to a successful mission also.

The Indian DSN covers 1/3rd of the view into space. NASA provided support for the remaining 2/3rds. There was nothing more to it.

Had Mangalyan failed, it wouldn't be because the DSN failed, the fact is the DSN is an observer and the flight of Mangalyan was automated. What NASA did is provide us with constant barrage of information that allowed us to build a database of the transit and allows us to communicate with the satellite 24/7.

The basic point is the DSN isn't a pilot. The pilot was the satellite itself. Nobody was piloting the satellite from earth. Meaning, after the satellite left the rocket, it moved into Martian orbit on its own.

So no, NASA did nothing with respect to launching the satellite and insert it into orbit. NASA acted as the ATC and simply observed the flight for us because we don't yet have a full scale DSN. Mangalyan was 100% an Indian success.

 

[Nilgiri]

See this thinking, you are thinking with GST you can be like China. China opening up was not about taxes

You have studied zero about what Deng Xiaopeng did. Come back and talk when you go through it all first. For starters you can look at what the % of GDP given as credit to private sector in China was in the 90s because of it....and how that compares to India even today. Socio-economic development is certainly important as well, but its not a 100% thing for liquidity fuelled mercantile aspect, not even close (one can simply ask why hasnt the nominal USD liquidity access/production arrived for half or third or quarter of Indian population at the same claimed socioeconomic development as Median China say back in the 90s and 2000s). Neither will GST resolve it in India case overnight (because thats an ongoing development), but certainly direction is better than before.

This is not true, my friend. Chinese are much too analytical, logical and practical to believe in any brainwashing, CPC or western.

See, asserting that already proves my point....because CPC certainly doesnt want any scope of measuring what the Chinese people think. Its either are the Chinese people physically revolting against us or not as the measure of legitimacy...black and white.

I was also asserting it only in reference to the dullards in this forum that repeat one line little red book style quotes...not the entire chinese population. They obviously have latched on the CPC style of Pravdaism, which isnt even a Chinese construct either originally.

Most of them do not believe things like karma or gods, so they work very hard to make THIS life worthwhile rather than goofing around and waiting to be reborn into something better.

and again...replace religion with CPC worship and one can just as well define that as goofing around. At least with religion there is loyalty to grander and larger morals and there is basic identification that human constructs are always scaled imperfection.

The worst case of the CPC complex is seen already manifested in your hermit kingdom next door (basically what would have continued to be in China itself if it werent for the great liberator/moderator Deng)...and earlier in CPC domain itself under Mr. "Cultural Revolution" himself. These currents still permeate quite strongly in Chinese national fabric, its just shifted the chameleon camouflage from lifting from the Trotsy-Lenin-Stalin ideals back to some good ole Middle Kingdom superiority complex....now that multi generation distance from the century of humiliation has been achieved.

Still doesn't mean squat regarding the hypocrisy on display in the little red book brayers here....or the inconvenient facts they overlook or completely ignore regarding their claims....especially when there is a call for the logic chain to be consistently and thoroughly applied to China itself (when comparing with others to attempting to debate/prove something) rather than selectively to create some distorted contrast. But then again its that undercurrent I was talking about, there is an inability to even allow any further concession to "free market" of idea exchange (till the utility of free market mercantilism has started to wear off) given it was already proven just how wrong the CPC was in its initial guise (and its involvement in perpetuating domestic humiliation and even destruction as a result). Generation time has to be given for that to atrophy as well I suppose, such is the irony of brittle authoritarianism....things are assumed to be done better in sequential manner than trusting the society to handle in simultaneous way.

I don't blame Chinese society as a whole for it, its quite reactionary to what was inflicted on China for a century or more....nevertheless it amuses me how much certain members here are completely unaware or uninformed on this issue in first place, and then completely miss what the further nuanced discussion actually involves (and solidifying everything many perceive as inherently lacking in China today and probably for good long time to come).

Again my disdain really only focuses on the whole repeat repeat repeat red book CPC style quoting from members/people I think can do lot better. Is the whole strategy to just engage in same behaviour they accuse other nationalities of being like, and then claim some higher ground on the back of a particular forum having its own ingrained sycophancy inherently? Seems dubious at best, and extremely egotistical and bad for their own country at worst. If you truly claim you are not boastful, why not act it?

@Zabaniyah