High tech export: india is worse than Philippines

[AndrewJin]

And.. Chinese High IQ displayed again.....
India metro system uses a hybrid model as it is cost effective... there are enough TBMs both Imported and Indian Made to meet demands...

Hi 82!
Pls give SP2012 some indigenous TBMs!!!
@Bussard Ramjet Could you find some?

There is no india made TBM. Don't be delusion.

Check out where this monster shipped from. Not from Mumbai or Chennai.

https://www.google.com/amp/m.timeso...etro-iii-project/amp_articleshow/60379460.cms

https://www.google.com/amp/zeenews....nel-boring-machine-for-india_1877511.html/amp

As long as he is happy, let him falsely believe that bogus claim.

 

[Beast]

Hi 82!
Pls give SP2012 some indigenous TBMs!!!
@Bussard Ramjet Could you find some?


As long as he is happy, let him falsely believe that bogus claim.

The Indian are desperate trying to make up of Indian made TBM. There is once an Indian even used a 2009 article bragging about a French company plan to bring TBM manufacturing plant to India. The desperate Indian try to use that as a prove of Indian producing local TBM.

End up it never materializes as the French knew the Indian industries is too weak to make such kind of sophisticated equipment. I tell you what, Indian will claim these TBM as non high tech and brush off as simple drill tools which their mighty IT consultant is too high class to take up some job.

 

[AndrewJin]

The Indian are desperate trying to make up of Indian made TBM. There is once an Indian even used a 2009 article bragging about a French company plan to bring TBM manufacturing plant to India. The desperate Indian try to use that as a prove of Indian producing local TBM.

End up it never materializes as the French knew the Indian industries is too weak to make such kind of sophisticated equipment. I tell you what, Indian will claim these TBM as non high tech and brush off as simple drill tools which their mighty IT consultant is too high class to take up some job.

I won’t be surprised.
Next time you will hear indian claims they have indigenous chip by citing some speculation news and grand 2012 plans.

 

[randomradio]

Look at that, the discussion has gone from smartphones to tunnel boring machines.

Both only face bureaucratic and financial hurdles, not technical hurdles.

 

[Nilgiri]

Ya only you know right? Do you even know when tax reform happened in China? When was GST and service tax introduced in China?

What has % of credit given to private sector got to do with taxes? You are assuming and hoping with GST reforms in India, you can achieve parity with China. That is not the case here bhai, there are many more factors, India politically, culturally and structurally cannot be the China. You will only be the next India.

OK that answers my question. You have done no basic study on Deng's reforms at all (Taxes/extractions btw come in many guises, GST/VAT is just one small part).

Neither do you understand how short, mid and long term liquidity chains benefit as result of that in like economics 101 way.

If a govt extracts less from an economy at every crucial high OC step for nascent industry, where do you think the liquidity goes genius? Do you know how a bank works when its operating on FRB system? Looked into the 1992 CPC congress decision for eventual FRB (fully implemented cpl years later I believe), and why it was instrumental in unleashing the credit from the environment Deng created in 80s?

I already explained the socio economic argument too, it is not such black and white issue at all. Even taking the face value numbers of the socioeconomic disparity, applying a normal distribution analysis between India and China still leaves major difference in what I am talking about (genuine liquidity flow reform)....i.e India should be at least 2 - 3 times larger in nominal GDP and somewhat bigger in PPP (And assuming 0 ramped crossflow into socioeconomic across the time period) if equivalent reforms were done in India as China did in the 80s....esp how Deng oriented them from ground up as well as top down in sequence.

In fact the stuttering of Indian economy from 2009 for about 5 years show just how bad the liquidity chain situation still was....because in 1991, all the reforms did was largely capital account based only to ease an immediate BoP problem. There was thus still one arm being held behind the back that is now only slowly being released for work.

So using apples and oranges to compare but claiming both are apples is frankly silly and very CPC-groupthink oriented.

I don't agree that CPC is some kind of worship like a religion. Being a member of CPC is a conscious personal choice, and one has to be an adult to make this choice, as oppose to being born into, like those live in religious countries or religious families. Associating a higher moral with a religion is just a "Make Believe" if you are willing to see the ground reality of today's world, and so called loyalty to the religion means none other than the incapability of independent thinking.

For many Chinese like me, we would support any ruling party that can do heck of a job for people of China, and we don't really care if that ruling party happened to have "Communist" in their name.

Well I am just showing people can perceive and label as much as they want to....but no one has full story till you actually live or deeply visit/immerse in the said country.

You see surface of mine, I see surface of yours etc etc.

You made a comment implying those that are stuck wanting a better "next life" because of religious superstition etc are essentially incapable of deep rooted progress etc. Well I personally know my grandfather was well immersed in his religion, didn't stop him from rising from starvation level poverty to becoming something else altogether. It is never black and white situation. After all there are two other large populated countries next to India in same region that have the "one life" and pure heaven and hell concept, and both are doing worse than India overall too. The one to the west even has twice the infant mortality as India....why is their supposedly more "in the now" (given they fundamentally believe in no more lives, this is the one single one to prove the souls worth) orientated culture/religion not helping them compared to a more "backward/lazy" (supposedly endears to just waiting for next life if you current one sucks rather than improve etc) philosophy found in Indian culture? Its because you have little to no idea how this manifests in the actual larger Indian philosophy (where action in current life is given much priority i.e karma) or how people interpret it in their particular context anyway. So no your assertion flat out fails, because we would not see a huge drop in agriculture as part of total Indian economy (from like 70%+) to less than 15% today for example, in just 1 - 2 generations....if people were "rooted" in only waiting for better redemption in a future life. Nor is there sudden mobility achieved and sustained when you have some other philosophy in play overall (inherited or through revolution, dharmic, abrahamic or materialist/atheist etc)...given its always far more nuanced and complicated than that.

 

[nang2]

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http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-most-high-tech-exports.html
@Martian2 Thanks for the link

These numbers need some explanation. Are iPhones made in China and sent to other countries considered high-tech export from China in their full value?

 

[ashok321]

How much do countries invest in R&D? New UNESCO data tool reveals emerging players

According to UIS data, only six countries worldwide have managed to surpass the 3% target, and three are smaller EU economies: Denmark, Finland and Sweden. These, in turn, lag behind Japan with 3.6% and Israel with an impressive 4.1%. And all of them trail behind South Korea – the world leader – with 4.3%. Austria, Germany and Switzerland hover around 3% as does the biggest spender of all: the United States.

Few countries in other regions compete with these proportions. In Central and Eastern Europe, Slovenia leads with 2.4% compared to the Russian Federation at 1.2%. In Central Asia, the figure hovers around 0.2%, as in the case for Kazakhstan. Morocco tops the league in the Arab States with just 0.7%. Brazil is the leader in Latin America, with 1.2%, while India leads in South and West Asia with 0.8%. In Africa, the African Union is aiming for 1%, but only Kenya, Mali and South Africa approach the target.


And of this 0.8% of R&D money, the good chunk belongs to foreign companies in India.

 

[faithfulguy]

I won’t be surprised.
Next time you will hear indian claims they have indigenous chip by citing some speculation news and grand 2012 plans.

India like to focus on the future, which we all should. But India is doing it because the present is too painful. It’s from shame and pain that the Supa Powa 2012 statement was created.

 

[Beast]

Look at that, the discussion has gone from smartphones to tunnel boring machines.

Both only face bureaucratic and financial hurdles, not technical hurdles.

Excuse and blaming mentality. Why not just admit India industries is totally not capable of producing such stuff? You really think India is capable of making high end equipment like Tunnel Boring Machine and latest smart phone chip set? Not even in next 100 years.

 

[Dungeness]

Well I am just showing people can perceive and label as much as they want to....but no one has full story till you actually live or deeply visit/immerse in the said country.

You see surface of mine, I see surface of yours etc etc.

You made a comment implying those that are stuck wanting a better "next life" because of religious superstition etc are essentially incapable of deep rooted progress etc. Well I personally know my grandfather was well immersed in his religion, didn't stop him from rising from starvation level poverty to becoming something else altogether. It is never black and white situation. After all there are two other large populated countries next to India in same region that have the "one life" and pure heaven and hell concept, and both are doing worse than India overall too. The one to the west even has twice the infant mortality as India....why is their supposedly more "in the now" (given they fundamentally believe in no more lives, this is the one single one to prove the souls worth) orientated culture/religion not helping them compared to a more "backward/lazy" (supposedly endears to just waiting for next life if you current one sucks rather than improve etc) philosophy found in Indian culture? Its because you have little to no idea how this manifests in the actual larger Indian philosophy (where action in current life is given much priority i.e karma) or how people interpret it in their particular context anyway. So no your assertion flat out fails, because we would not see a huge drop in agriculture as part of total Indian economy (from like 70%+) to less than 15% today for example, in just 1 - 2 generations....if people were "rooted" in only waiting for better redemption in a future life. Nor is there sudden mobility achieved and sustained when you have some other philosophy in play overall (inherited or through revolution, dharmic, abrahamic or materialist/atheist etc)...given its always far more nuanced and complicated than that.

This is a thread about hi-tech export, so I am not going to continue the discussion on the same track to derail the thread. I just wish you could think about the difference between our two countries beyond GST or the timing of market reform, and the rationality behind it, but you do need a macroscopic view to do that.

I rest my case.

 

[MULUBJA]

India has a similar economic structure with US and Japan, export is less than 20% of total GDP.

Because we have purchase power and we buy our products unlike china who can not buy anything having quality and cost.

 

[AndrewJin]

This is a thread about hi-tech export, so I am not going to continue the discussion on the same track to derail the thread. I just wish you could think about the difference between our two countries beyond GST or the timing of market reform, and the rationality behind it, but you do need a macroscopic view to do that.

I rest my case.

Call centre technology is high-tech
You are such a racist to not include call centre high-tech.

One day, India will surpass Philippines.
We have hope for india!

 

[AndrewJin]

Excuse and blaming mentality. Why not just admit India industries is totally not capable of producing such stuff? You really think India is capable of making high end equipment like Tunnel Boring Machine and latest smart phone chip set? Not even in next 100 years.

But Tunnel Boring Machine is not as high-tech as call centre tech......
And they do not need TBMs, they can just use the vedic way to build undergrounds

 

[Beast]

Don't forget 1965-1975 where over 40 million Chinese died. Nothing like that happened in India

LOL.. After fail to counter our point. Indian typical tactics of diverting the point? So we are right about India capable of producing low tech products. High tech products like TBM and latest competitive chips are out of reach for indians. They are for big boys like China not small kid like India.

Because we have purchase power and we buy our products unlike china who can not buy anything having quality and cost.

Another brilliant excuse from Indians.

We need to admire the brilliant thick skinned and logic from our Indian counterparts.

 

[AndrewJin]

LOL.. After fail to counter our point. Indian typical tactics of diverting the point? So we are right about India capable of producing low tech products. High tech products like TBM and latest competitive chips are out of reach for indians. They are for big boys like China not small kid like India.


Another brilliant excuse from Indians.

We need to admire the brilliant thick skinned and logic from our Indian counterparts.

Say your time bro, or your brain will be dragged down to 八十二。