High tech export: india is worse than Philippines

[AndrewJin]

Baloney.

India used NASA to send a satellite to Mars and now you shamelessly claim that NASA's expertise in sending satellites to MARS for decades and NASA's DEEP SPACE NETWORK were not important.

You're shameless and ridiculous.

I provided the citation from Space.com on NASA's involvement for a reason. I provided proof of NASA's crucial role. You're just going to shamelessly eliminate NASA's vital contributions with your useless opinion?

If you want to claim that India sent a satellite to Mars then do it without NASA next time.

NASA DSN is a piece of shit,
you are fake news!

 

[Martian2]

A DSN is not a technological hurdle, it's a financial hurdle. The same with exporting high tech goods, it's all about financial limits. The richer you are, the better will be your tech exports.

If it comes down to "real" high tech exports, China is nowhere near the advanced world's standards.

http://www.grips.ac.jp/r-center/wp-content/uploads/11-05.pdf
China’s leading position in high-tech exports is a myth created by outdated trade statistics, which are inconsistent with the trade based on global supply chains. Assembled high-tech products, made with imported key parts and components, accounted for 82% of China’s high-tech exports. Current trade statistics mistakenly credit entire values of these assembled products to China, thus greatly inflate the export value. For instance, in 2009 China’s export in the iPhone amounted US$4.6 billion, of which only 3.6% was the value added by Chinese workers; its annual export in laptop PC valued at US$52 billion, but assembly accounted for only 3% of the gross value. In addition, 83% of China’s high-tech exports was attributed to foreign invested firms, in particular Taiwanese owned companies. Taiwan-IT companies have relocated 95% of their production/assembly capacity into and transferred mainland China to a top assembler of information and communication technology, such as laptop PCs, digital cameras and all i-products.

In a smartphone, if the chipset and processor comes from the US, the display from Korea, the camera from Japan, the battery from Vietnam, and all China does is assemble this stuff, how is this counted as high tech?

China is still a very long way from becoming a "real" hi-tech exporter.





Am I speaking to a 6-year-old? Read up on what the DSN does first.

As I said, you want me to give credit to the ATC for inventing the plane and then flying it.

It is very frustrating when you Indians keep claiming other countries' technologies and expertise as Indian.

You need to build aircraft by yourself and stop asking NASA for help.

The "Indian" LCA has a drop of Indian blood. Yet, it is commonly claimed by the Indian government, media, and Indian posters as indigenous.

Similarly, stop claiming NASA had a trivial role in the "Indian" Mars project. If it was trivial, India would not have asked NASA for help.

NASA sent an Indian satellite to Mars. NASA was the critical party.
The Indian LCA is made up of 90% foreign parts by value. It is not Indian.
Russians built the "Indian" nuclear sub. It is a Russian sub and not Indian.

Do you see a pattern here?
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Adding British air-to-air refueling probe and nose cone to "Indian" LCA/Tejas foreign content

The foreign content of the LCA/Tejas depends on how you measure it. If you measure by volume, the foreign content is significantly less than 90% because the Indian composite panels (used in the wings), landing gear, and tires take up a lot of room.

If you measure by value, the "Indian" LCA/Tejas is 90% foreign:

1. American GE F414 engine
2. Israeli Elta EL/M-2032 multi-mode radar
3. Israeli Elbit-furnished DASH helmet-mounted display and sight (HMDS)
4. French Sextant multi-function displays (MFDs)
5. British Martin-Baker zero-zero ejection seat
6. Israeli Rafael laser Litening Targeting Pods (which is derived from American Northrop Grumman technology)
7. Russian GSh-23 cannon
8. Russian/Israeli missiles
9. French Sagem SIGMA 95N ring-laser gyroscope
10. British BAE Systems ship-sets of actuators (at $2 million each) for LCA/Tejas
11. Canadian canopy sheath
12. British air-to-air refueling probe (source: The New Indian Express, see below)
13. British nose cone (source: The New Indian Express, see below)
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LCA's Certification to be Slightly Delayed - The New Indian Express

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Am I speaking to a 6-year-old? Read up on what the DSN does first.

As I said, you want me to give credit to the ATC for inventing the plane and then flying it.

According to one of his thread
Mongolia should vote to join China

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/mongolia-should-hold-vote-on-rejoining-china.356169/

 

[AndrewJin]

It is very frustrating when you Indians keep claiming other countries' technologies and expertise as Indian.

You need to build aircraft by yourself and stop asking NASA for help.

The "Indian" LCA has a drop of Indian blood. Yet, it is commonly claimed by the Indian government, media, and Indian posters as indigenous.

Similarly, stop claiming NASA had a trivial role in the "Indian" Mars project. If it was trivial, India would not have asked NASA for help.

NASA sent an Indian satellite to Mars. NASA was the critical party.
The Indian LCA is made up of 90% foreign parts by value. It is not Indian.
Russians built the "Indian" nuclear sub. It is a Russian sub and not Indian.

Do you see a pattern here?
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Adding British air-to-air refueling probe and nose cone to "Indian" LCA/Tejas foreign content

The foreign content of the LCA/Tejas depends on how you measure it. If you measure by volume, the foreign content is significantly less than 90% because the Indian composite panels (used in the wings), landing gear, and tires take up a lot of room.

If you measure by value, the "Indian" LCA/Tejas is 90% foreign:

1. American GE F414 engine
2. Israeli Elta EL/M-2032 multi-mode radar
3. Israeli Elbit-furnished DASH helmet-mounted display and sight (HMDS)
4. French Sextant multi-function displays (MFDs)
5. British Martin-Baker zero-zero ejection seat
6. Israeli Rafael laser Litening Targeting Pods (which is derived from American Northrop Grumman technology)
7. Russian GSh-23 cannon
8. Russian/Israeli missiles
9. French Sagem SIGMA 95N ring-laser gyroscope
10. British BAE Systems ship-sets of actuators (at $2 million each) for LCA/Tejas
11. Canadian canopy sheath
12. British air-to-air refueling probe (source: The New Indian Express, see below)
13. British nose cone (source: The New Indian Express, see below)
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LCA's Certification to be Slightly Delayed - The New Indian Express

Indian express and all other indian media are anti-hindu fake news.
India is the single biggest high tech exporter in the universe.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Are we changing the topic here?
I think there are enough threads in China sections about journals, nature, index, paper, etc.
Such thread appears weekly, or at least every 2-3 weeks.

Value added? High-tech exports?
Shall we concentrate?

Scientific Output is correlated with a country's capacity to innovate and produce research and technology.

You can quote the entire number.
Total value added is already very directive in terms of what you really got from manufacturing instead of just getting 1% of the value.

I only got that old 2012-2013 rank, so I chose not to post here.
Those weak defenders would jump up and down.

It is very late here, almost midnight.
I will quickly give you the numbers that I have bookmarked which are slightly old. The new numbers could usually be obtained from Indian official sources, or UNIDO (United Nations Industrial Development Organization)

https://www.mapi.net/blog/2015/09/china-solidifies-its-position-world’s-largest-manufacturer

As you can see, even in overall MVA, countries like Philippines and Vietnam don't figure.

 

[randomradio]

It is very frustrating when you Indians keep claiming other countries' technologies and expertise as Indian.

You need to build aircraft by yourself and stop asking NASA for help.

The "Indian" LCA has a drop of Indian blood. Yet, it is commonly claimed by the Indian government, media, and Indian posters as indigenous.

Similarly, stop claiming NASA had a trivial role in the "Indian" Mars project. If it was trivial, India would not have asked NASA for help.

NASA sent an Indian satellite to Mars. NASA was the critical party.
The Indian LCA is made up of 90% foreign parts by value. It is not Indian.
Russians built the "Indian" nuclear sub. It is a Russian sub and not Indian.

Do you see a pattern here?
----------

Adding British air-to-air refueling probe and nose cone to "Indian" LCA/Tejas foreign content

The foreign content of the LCA/Tejas depends on how you measure it. If you measure by volume, the foreign content is significantly less than 90% because the Indian composite panels (used in the wings), landing gear, and tires take up a lot of room.

If you measure by value, the "Indian" LCA/Tejas is 90% foreign:

1. American GE F414 engine
2. Israeli Elta EL/M-2032 multi-mode radar
3. Israeli Elbit-furnished DASH helmet-mounted display and sight (HMDS)
4. French Sextant multi-function displays (MFDs)
5. British Martin-Baker zero-zero ejection seat
6. Israeli Rafael laser Litening Targeting Pods (which is derived from American Northrop Grumman technology)
7. Russian GSh-23 cannon
8. Russian/Israeli missiles
9. French Sagem SIGMA 95N ring-laser gyroscope
10. British BAE Systems ship-sets of actuators (at $2 million each) for LCA/Tejas
11. Canadian canopy sheath
12. British air-to-air refueling probe (source: The New Indian Express, see below)
13. British nose cone (source: The New Indian Express, see below)
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LCA's Certification to be Slightly Delayed - The New Indian Express

*yawn*

When we catch a flight to Beijing, we use Beijing's ATC to land our aircraft. So the aircraft flew because of Beijing ATC's help, so that means they even designed, build and tested the aircraft.

Why is it that people claim Chinese have high IQ, but we on PDF are stuck with all the low IQ Chinese?

 

[Nilgiri]

Mongolia should vote to join China

By the logic, maybe those within borders of China should vote first whether they want to continue to be part of China....before others vote to join China?

The capital flight of Chinese elite and their push for legal residence in other countries shows a voting trend in reality compared to CPC coverup on the issue. Who really knows the broader trend/opinion in lower parts of Chinese society....is it even allowed to be measured in first place?

*yawn*

When we catch a flight to Beijing, we use Beijing's ATC to land our aircraft. So the aircraft flew because of Beijing ATC's help, so that means they even designed, build and tested the aircraft.

Why is it that people claim Chinese have high IQ, but we on PDF are stuck with all the low IQ Chinese?

By sorting out their economic (esp tax mess) lot earlier than India, thus attracting investment and being able to ramp further on that (using say raw credit % availability to private sector) using mercantile economics 101, these Chinese posters here think the argument of what production vs actual innovation does not apply to them but applies to anyone they want to try put down. You see, they own all the IP of the "high tech" stuff they churn out using the accumulated capital chains (and use the global USD nominal as reference to boot since they feel their argument is somehow augmented to those that know no better on the subject)....but any other country (esp one they see as a threat) contaminating their own endeavours with "foreign IP" on whatever (even if its just operation wise like you illustrate) means absolute no domestic IP/development on the actual product. The "logic" only applies one way you see.

So good luck, but its futile endeavour....but may as well illustrate the hypocrisy to any reasonable audience passing by.

These people have long been brainwashed to think in black and white, all or nothing terms, because thats how the CPC indoctrinates them from early age (and they end up acting all awkward when they visit anywhere else).

Nuance and grey are the enemies you see, but at least they are not viciously murdering and humiliating their own people because of it like Mao gloriously did for a cpl decades, and still gets a portrait overlooking where Red book controlled tanks ran over unarmed students because of it.

 

[TaiShang]

It is very frustrating when you Indians keep claiming other countries' technologies and expertise as Indian.

You need to build aircraft by yourself and stop asking NASA for help.

The "Indian" LCA has a drop of Indian blood. Yet, it is commonly claimed by the Indian government, media, and Indian posters as indigenous.

Similarly, stop claiming NASA had a trivial role in the "Indian" Mars project. If it was trivial, India would not have asked NASA for help.

NASA sent an Indian satellite to Mars. NASA was the critical party.
The Indian LCA is made up of 90% foreign parts by value. It is not Indian.
Russians built the "Indian" nuclear sub. It is a Russian sub and not Indian.

Usually, the threshold to call some technology Indian, paint job is enough. So, that's very low threshold and I like it.

@AndrewJin :

 

[AndrewJin]

Usually, the threshold to call some technology Indian, paint job is enough. So, that's very low threshold and I like it.

@AndrewJin :

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Thank you for the data.
This is very informative, to the contrary of those angry and sensitive defenders writing all kinds of meaningless craps.

 

[faithfulguy]

*yawn*

When we catch a flight to Beijing, we use Beijing's ATC to land our aircraft. So the aircraft flew because of Beijing ATC's help, so that means they even designed, build and tested the aircraft.

Why is it that people claim Chinese have high IQ, but we on PDF are stuck with all the low IQ Chinese?

A yes and no question for you... without NASA deep space network, would India be able to send the probe to Mars. Don’t give me what if’s and that India can create a deep space network. All I’m asking is if without DSN, would the Indian probe reach the Mars orbit by itself, yes or no?

 

[AndrewJin]

A yes and no question for you... without NASA deep space network, would India be able to send the probe to Mars. Don’t give me what if’s and that India can create a deep space network. All I’m asking is if without DSN, would the Indian probe reach the Mars orbit by itself, yes or no?

Yes, with vedic power and RSSers’ boasting

 

[Dungeness]

I have told you the reason for it - Indians are living in more sustainable manner and not over exploiting natural resources. Chinese are foolishly consuming their natural resource. Your generation may live nicely, but your future generations will have a bag of shit as all the resources would have depleted by then. Do you think that such a way is desirable? As I see it, it is suicide

You made a hopelessly primitive life style sound like a conscious choice. What a dishonest dude!

 

[ashok321]

Despite the obvious results on high tech exports which are recorded, all this tells us about the sad, (if not mournful) scenario of Indian share of its high tech exports that are lacking big time.

But as imagined, perceived and anticipated, Modians ego got hurt. As a result they came up with some patchwork & mishmash to create and insert some doubts that would help them climb few rungs on this discussion ladder.

All this is being done by Modians is because they have "Hum Kisi Se kum nahi" syndrome = "We are inferior to none" type.

But in reality, as it is seen through all the GINI and HDI indexes, India falls flat on most of the parameters - Even on happiness Index India is far from poor African & South American countries.

Just last month, this myth of fastest growing country myth was busted.

Look at the pathetic per capita purchasing power of low income country as India (citizens), even a countries like Thailand & Indonesia beat India.

India's overseas debt = half a trillion dollars (Modi wont tell you this)

Look how precarious a country can be when it enters into a loan agreement with WB for paltry 39 million dollars:
loan agreement: India signs $39 million pact with World Bank for ..

India has no class, Indians are lazy & lethargic.
All hat no cattle.
Simply simple.

 

[Han Patriot]

*yawn*

When we catch a flight to Beijing, we use Beijing's ATC to land our aircraft. So the aircraft flew because of Beijing ATC's help, so that means they even designed, build and tested the aircraft.

Why is it that people claim Chinese have high IQ, but we on PDF are stuck with all the low IQ Chinese?

This is what I call the Indian logic. He is comparing ATC on a foreign airport to technology importation. Deep down he knows LCA is nothing but a crappy assembly effort to 'system engineer' different imported components.

By the logic, maybe those within borders of China should vote first whether they want to continue to be part of China....before others vote to join China?

The capital flight of Chinese elite and their push for legal residence in other countries shows a voting trend in reality compared to CPC coverup on the issue. Who really knows the broader trend/opinion in lower parts of Chinese society....is it even allowed to be measured in first place?



By sorting out their economic (esp tax mess) lot earlier than India, thus attracting investment and being able to ramp further on that (using say raw credit % availability to private sector) using mercantile economics 101, these Chinese posters here think the argument of what production vs actual innovation does not apply to them but applies to anyone they want to try put down. You see, they own all the IP of the "high tech" stuff they churn out using the accumulated capital chains (and use the global USD nominal as reference to boot since they feel their argument is somehow augmented to those that know no better on the subject)....but any other country (esp one they see as a threat) contaminating their own endeavours with "foreign IP" on whatever (even if its just operation wise like you illustrate) means absolute no domestic IP/development on the actual product. The "logic" only applies one way you see.

So good luck, but its futile endeavour....but may as well illustrate the hypocrisy to any reasonable audience passing by.

These people have long been brainwashed to think in black and white, all or nothing terms, because thats how the CPC indoctrinates them from early age (and they end up acting all awkward when they visit anywhere else).

Nuance and grey are the enemies you see, but at least they are not viciously murdering and humiliating their own people because of it like Mao gloriously did for a cpl decades, and still gets a portrait overlooking where Red book controlled tanks ran over unarmed students because of it.

See this thinking, you are thinking with GST you can be like China. China opening up was not about taxes, it was about government policy, infrastructure, and quality of the workforce. Even in the 80s, Chinese starvation level is nothing compared to India now. How the heck are you gonna work when you have no energy to lift your fingers?

 

[Dungeness]

These people have long been brainwashed to think in black and white, all or nothing terms, because thats how the CPC indoctrinates them from early age (and they end up acting all awkward when they visit anywhere else).

This is not true, my friend. Chinese are much too analytical, logical and practical to believe in any brainwashing, CPC or western. Most of them do not believe things like karma or gods, so they work very hard to make THIS life worthwhile rather than goofing around and waiting to be reborn into something better.