HESA Fighter Kowsar Program - Current and Next Generation

[Hack-Hook]

2 tandem seats (Success, two brains are better than one, retained in Seaqeh-II, Kowsar

Not always and there is more single sit kowsar than double sit kowsar

 

[drmeson]

Not always and there is more single sit kowsar than double sit kowsar

The original first prototypes of Saeqeh-II and Kowsar-I (3-7304) have 2 x tandem-seat configurations.

I believe IRIAF has more reasons to go for that in future generations than a single-seat version.

 

[OldTwilight]

The original first prototypes of Saeqeh-II and Kowsar-I (3-7304) have 2 x tandem-seat configurations.

I believe IRIAF has more reasons to go for that in future generations than a single-seat version.

single seat aircraft is more affordable and cost effective with advanced avonics ....

 

[drmeson]

single seat aircraft is more affordable and cost effective with advanced avonics ....

Price has nothing to do with the number of pilots when you are building 100% of the airframe+avionics at home. There is a reason the US, USSR/Russian fighters always have two pilots than one. Like I said two brains on board are better than one, especially considering that there is a much more advanced and evolving avionics package at hand to deal with compared to other planes. Also, we saw the intention. Saeqeh-II was a two-seater tech demonstrator, and Kowsar's (3-7400) first prototype was a two-seater as well. Technically HESA has not unveiled anything in this series in a single-seat configuration in the last 15 years.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Price has nothing to do with the number of pilots when you are building 100% of the airframe+avionics at home. There is a reason the US, USSR/Russian fighters always have two pilots than one. Like I said two brains on board are better than one, especially considering that there is a much more advanced and evolving avionics package at hand to deal with compared to other planes. Also, we saw the intention. Saeqeh-II was a two-seater tech demonstrator, and Kowsar's (3-7400) first prototype was a two-seater as well. Technically HESA has not unveiled anything in this series in a single-seat configuration in the last 15 years.

there is a problem, kowsar is a light fighter , puting two pilot in it is wasting of space that can be utilised otherwise in better way
by the way F-18, F-16, F-35, Mig-35, Su-35, Su-57, F-22, Grippen, Euro-fighter, Rafale.

wonder which airplane you mean , todays in fighter jet computers took the place of the second pilot , if you see a two pilot aircraft , its for training or for special mission like intelligence gathering

 

[Beny Karachun]

Shit tier 3rd generation fighters

 

[Hack-Hook]

Shit tier 3rd generation fighters

more like under powered tire-4 fighter

 

[OldTwilight]

F-16 has only one pilot seat ... F22 is single seat jet

 

[drmeson]

Shit tier 3rd generation fighters

No my Jew, it's 4.0 Generation by Avionics and Combat suite alone, FCK-1 C/D level at least. Next Generation which will see rather more serious mass production will be even better.

 

[drmeson]

there is a problem, kowsar is a light fighter , puting two pilot in it is wasting of space that can be utilised otherwise in better way

I have no idea what purpose the second pilot's space would serve in an F-20 like airframe. May be more fuel instead of CFT's? We need an F-20 structural diagram to see.

by the way F-18, F-16, F-35, Mig-35, Su-35, Su-57, F-22, Grippen, Euro-fighter, Rafale.

wonder which airplane you mean , todays in fighter jet computers took the place of the second pilot , if you see a two pilot aircraft , its for training or for special mission like intelligence gathering

None of these are considered light combat fighters. The smallest one in your list is the F-16 and current versions C/D have ~ 30K lbf thursts. Going by history, HESA's program seems to be revolving around the development of light combat advanced 4+ generation avionics + combat suite carrier with dual utility as an advanced trainer for a future crop of IRIAF pilots. Something like FCK-1C/D, AIDC T-5, JL-10, FC-1 B version BlkIII, LCA, T-7 Red Hawk. For heavy air superiority fighters, IRIAF will probably end up with SU-35S (replacement of F-4E/D) or maybe MIG-35 to fit in with our MIG 9.12A infrastructure.

Unless they do with this program what happened with the missile program some 14 years ago that we were still using Shahab-2/3 and suddenly there was Sejjil-2, a total surprise.

 

[Beny Karachun]

No my Jew, it's 4.0 Generation by Avionics and Combat suite alone, FCK-1 C/D level at least. Next Generation will be even better.

4th gen like your F-313 is a working jet

 

[drmeson]

4th gen like your F-313 is a working jet

Ma Jew, the unveiling showed detailed equipment that rivals any 4.0 gen avionics+combat suite in the world, and the project is still going on so there will be something even better at the end of it.

F-313's time will come too. We started with Hwasong-7 and now we have 3-stage Solid fueled MaRVs. Learn how R&D happens Goldstein. Turkey, Iran, Indonesia, India, and multiple other nations have shown mockups of 5.0 gen fighters. Let's see which one flies first.

 

[Mahabahu kaunteya]

Ma Jew, the unveiling showed detailed equipment that rivals any 4.0 gen avionics+combat suite in the world, and the project is still going on so there will be something even better at the end of it.

F-313's time will come too. We started with Hwasong-7 and now we have 3-stage Solid fueled MaRVs. Learn how R&D happens Goldstein. Turkey, Iran, Indonesia, India, and multiple other nations have shown mockups of 5.0 gen fighters. Let's see which one flies first.

I can tell about india , probably around 2030 .
Active service earliest by 2035.
Happened with tejas , first flight in 2001 , active service in 2016

Shit tier 3rd generation fighters

Then why you buy all your fighters from America?
Sold your lavi for few shekels to China

 

[drmeson]

Sold your lavi for few shekels to China

because ...

......................................

 

[Hack-Hook]

I have no idea what purpose the second pilot's space would serve in an F-20 like airframe. May be more fuel instead of CFT's? We need an F-20 structural diagram to see.

well I knew one thing different between F-5 and F-20 that take some room

Specifications (F404-GE-402)[edit]​

General characteristics​

• Type: afterburning turbofan
• Length: 154 in (390 cm)
• Diameter: 35 in (89 cm)
• Dry weight: 2,282 lb (1,035 kg)

Specifications (J85-GE-21)​

General characteristics​

• Type: afterburning turbojet engine
• Length: 112.5 in (286 cm)
• Diameter: 20.8 in (53 cm) inlet
• Dry weight: 684 lb (310 kg)

that's 1m difference in size

None of these are considered light combat fighters. The smallest one in your list is the F-16 and current versions C/D have ~ 30K lbf thursts.

Light fighter - Wikipedia

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