Hellenic Navy: Construction of the second FDI HN frigate begins.

[Foinikas]

ADA class has 21 x RAM to counter 8 x anti-ships missiles on Greek Frigate

ADA class Corvettes are stealthy and have extremely reduced radar, IR and acoustic signatures, and they are backed by a low probability of intercept (LPI) radar that could sneak up to enemy surface vessels and deliver a lethal blow


ELLI and HYDRA class Frigates armed with only 16 x SAMs .. so weak

GABYA class Frigates armed with 36 SM-1MR and 32 ESSM SAMs
MEKO 200 Track-IIB Frigates armed with 64 x ESSM - RIM-7 SAMs





as of 2022 , Hellenic Navy is so weak and incapable

Hellenic Navy has 13 Frigates armed with only 208 SAMs

9 ELLI class Frigates armed with only 16 x RIM-7 SAMs
4 HYDRA class Frigates armed with only 16 x ESSM SAMs

what a inferior fire power and poor self defence capability



Turkish Navy has 16 Frigates armed with 672 SAMs

4 GABYA class Frigates armed with 36 SM-1MR SAMs
4 GABYA class Frigates armed with 36 SM-1MR and 32 ESSM SAMs
4 MEKO-200 Track-IIA Frigates armed with 16 x RIM-7 SAMs
2 MEKO 200 Track-IIB Frigates armed with 32 x ESSM SAMs
2 MEKO 200 Track-IIB Frigates armed with 64 x ESSM - RIM-7 SAMs


Turkish Navy has more SAMs than Hellenic+French Navies combined

Oh man,you're still repeating the same stuff again and again. It's all about SAMs for you. You don't have the capability to understand,to evolve,to discuss. All you do is repeat something like a bot that has no other program.

What can I say,good luck when you find out that it's not all about SAMs and that you're stealth corvettes are not so stealthy.

 

[MMM-E]

Oh man,you're still repeating the same stuff again and again. It's all about SAMs for you. You don't have the capability to understand,to evolve,to discuss. All you do is repeat something like a bot that has no other program.

I talked to you about many things

-- Turkish Navy with superior quantity and quality
-- Greece is buying , but Turkiye is producing
-- Not only Warships , but also land and air launched anti-ship missiles
-- Also unmanned Vessels armed with 8 x anti-ship missiles
-- Great Turkish swarm attack capability
-- Weak Greek counter capability with limited SAMs
-- EW and ECM measures are useless against Turkish Missiles which use IIR seeker
EW and ECM measures are against only anti-ship Missiles with active radar homing like French EXOCET , American HARPOON

still you dont understand


Turkish ATMACA land based Missiles can hit even Greek Naval bases in Athens , Piraeus , Thessaloniki , Salamis and Crete

and Turkey gained this capability in the last 1 year with 280 km ATMACA Missile after 280 km SOM air launched Missile

that you're stealth corvettes are not so stealthy.

much more stealthier than Hellenic Navy ELLI and HYDRA class Frigates


In 2014, ADA class Corvette wandered in the Aegean Sea for 26 hours without being detected by the Radar, and created uneasiness in Greek military bases

 

[Foinikas]

- Turkish Navy with superior quantity and quality
-- Greece is buying , but Turkiye is producing
-- Not only Warships , but also land and air launched anti-ship missiles
-- Also unmanned Vessels armed with 8 x anti-ship missiles
-- Great Turkish swarm attack capability
-- Weak Greek counter capability with limited SAMs
-- EW and ECM measures are useless against Turkish Missiles which use IIR seeker
EW and ECM measures are against only anti-ship Missiles with active radar homing like French EXOCET , American HARPOON

still you dont understand

The same bull,you just totally ignore what I say.

and Turkey gained this capability in the last 1 year with 280 km ATMACA Missile after 280 km SOM air launched Missile

Yeah sure,we'll see what quality are ATMACA and SOM.

In 2014, ADA class Corvette wandered in the Aegean Sea for 26 hours without being detected by the Radar, and created uneasiness in Greek military bases

It was being followed and monitored for 26 hours


Elli was behind your stealth corvette all the time

 

[MMM-E]

The same bull,you just totally ignore what I say.

Whats your point ? 3 FDI Frigates will give victory to the Hellenic Navy ?


53 SAMs never can stop swarm attack of 90 Missiles
and EW and ECM measures are useless against Turkish Missiles which use IIR seeker

Yeah sure,we'll see what quality are ATMACA and SOM.

ATMACA and SOM superior to French EXOCET and American HARPOON in every aspect

IIR guided ATMACA Missile increasing its performance in the Aegean Sea

The land-based version of the ATMACA anti-ship Missile is outfitted with an Imaging Infrared seeker (IIR) and an image processing function that allows the missile to take out targets positioned near islands

The RF guided, sea-based HARPOON , EXOCET lacks this capability

 

[Foinikas]

Whats your point ? 3 FDI Frigates will give victory to the Hellenic Navy ?


53 SAMs never can stop swarm attack of 90 Missiles
and EW and ECM measures are useless against Turkish Missiles which use IIR seeker





ATMACA and SOM superior to French EXOCET and American HARPOON in every aspect
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IIR guided ATMACA Missile increasing its performance in the Aegean Sea

The land-based version of the ATMACA anti-ship Missile is outfitted with an Imaging Infrared seeker (IIR) and an image processing function that allows the missile to take out targets positioned near islands

The RF guided, sea-based HARPOON , EXOCET lacks this capability

Who told you that IR cannot be intercepted? Who told you that it can't be countered? Lol

 

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Who told you that IR cannot be intercepted? Who told you that it can't be countered? Lol

I did not say that IR cannot be intercepted
for example Turkish NAZAR Laser electronic warfare System to intercept IR guided Missiles


I said Greek FDI Frigate EW and ECM measures are useless against Turkish Missiles which use IIR seeker

You are talking about NETTUNO 4100 ECM System for jamming RF guided Missiles

 

[Foinikas]

You are talking about NETTUNO 4100 ECM System for jamming RF guided Missiles

The system to be installed has not been decided yet. You probably haven't even read what @Akritas has written above,before you jumped in the thread.

 

[MMM-E]

The system to be installed has not been decided yet. You probably haven't even read what @Akritas has written above,before you jumped in the thread.

or France doesnt give you this technology ?

for example NETTUNO-4100 jamming equipment were removed from Egyptian FREMM Frigate

even NETTUNO 4100 ECM System for jamming only RF guided Missiles .. İts useless against IIR guided Missiles


will have FDI Frigate an infrared countermeasure ( IRCM ) ?

 

[MMM-E]

the corresponding Turkish, Istanbul classes, any comparison should be made with them. eg 32 Aster 30 versus 16 Hisar, SENTINEL EWS versus Aselsan Systems, etc

ISTANBUL Frigate to use 16 cells Roketsan MDAS Vertical Launch System with quad pack capability

( 64 x HISAR-RF or 8 x SIPER + 32 x HISAR-RF ) .... 40 or 64 x SAMs , not 16


ISTANBUL Frigate 16 x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles
FDI Frigate 8 x EXOCET anti-ship Missiles

 

[Foinikas]

or France doesnt give you this technology ?

They want to work on a brand new ECM system for the FDI. Read what Akritas said in the first posts.

 

[Abid123]

Well then,why do you spend billions on ships,aircraft and new tanks when you have nukes? Why do you keep spending money on..."useless toys"?

I have criticized our military purchases many times. Our war planners or what ever you call them are a bunch of fools. Wish I could met them in real life and knock some sense into their heads.

 

[Foinikas]

I have criticized our military purchases many times. Our war planners or what ever you call them are a bunch of fools. Wish I could met them in real life and knock some sense into their heads.

One thing I don't understand is why it took Pakistan so many years to buy a long-range SAM system.

 

[Akritas]

@Akritas tell him about why Ada class are not as great as he thinks

Except, the ones you correctly mentioned the armament and electronics of the ADA,we are talking about a ship that was designed 20 years ago, it is a smalled copy-paste 2400 tn of the American littoral combat ship(LCS) of 3400 tn, and of course it cannot be compared to the best, newest and most powerful corvettes out there like FCX-30 (Doha) , GoWind etc.
As about the Anti-aircraft warfare of the ADA Class, the Greek Super Vita, a 600 tn ship, has the same.....armament!!!!

You see I'm not sitting around answering the daydreams of every single fanatic who thinks the Turkish fleet is the Imperial Star Wars fleet.

Finally, it's good to compare similar sizes, you can't compare a Frigate to a Corvette, or a 1980 Frigate to a 2020 one. Therefore, I will always compare the FDI ΗΝ to the Istanbul class, where you will see the big differences they have.

 

[Foinikas]

As about the Anti-aircraft warfare of the ADA Class, the Greek Super Vita, a 600 tn ship, has the same.....armament!!!!

I was going to tell him that even the Super Vita is on the same level as the ADA! The Super Vita came to my mind.

 

[Akritas]

Some usefull informations as regards the armament and the equipment of the FDI HN Hellenic Navy ship.

• 4 Sylver A-50, allowing the Hellenic Navy to operate with 32 Aster-30 air defence missiles(120 km)
• Equipped with 21 point defence missiles being also equipped with one Mk31 21-cell launcher of RAM Block 2B surface-to-air missiles,
• 8 Block 3 Exocet anti-ship missiles,
• Leonardo Super Rapido 76 mm
• Dual launchers MU90 torpedoes
• Canto system as torpedo countermeasures.
• SYLENA Decoy Launching System (DLS)
• Two sonars, the Kingklip Mark 1115 hull sonar and the CAPTAS-4 towed sonar
• SEA FIRE, an all-digital multi-function AESA radar
• Sentinel system(R-ESM), an advanced digital electronic warfare system
• Altesse system(C-ESM)
• Nettuno or new one (R-ECM)
• MH-60 Romeo helicopter and A900 UAV