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No, you were not. Ottoman Arabic was basically an Arabic dialect. The Ottomans (even the name is Arabic deriving from Othman which the Turks pronounce as Osman due to having difficulties pronouncing the Arabic Othman) entire foundation was build on all the previous Arab caliphates. The script was Arabic. Most of the customs were heavily influenced by Islam and thus Arab customs and norms. Influences of cuisine, art, architecture, clerical aspect as well.

The "Persian" influences are mostly Arab in origin as well given the Islamic history. Similar to how Urdu is WRONGLY attributed to being mainly of Persian origin while in reality 90% of those Persian words in Urdu are of Arabic origin originally, lol. Most of the foreign vocabulary in Urdu is thus of Arabic origin similar to the alphabet despite extra letters that can be counted on 1 single hand.

Same case with Central Asia. As for pre-Islamic times, indeed back then Arabs had no interaction (that I know of) with Turks living on the steppes north of Mongolia in Siberia far away from any civilization of note. Back then the Chinese had most interaction with actual Turks of that time.

Look at your names, architecture, religion, cuisine, the Islamic civilization that you are a part of, Islamic sects, all have been greatly shaped by Arabs before anything else. Even the name of your country (Türkiye) uses the Arabic suffix iye. You might not even be aware of this. Even despite all the reforms that Ataturk did, your biggest degree of foreign words derive from Arabic too......

All of your most ancient cities in Turkey (Southern Turkey bordering Iraq and Syria, not really surprising) are ancient Semitic cities who Arabs ruled as well before the Seljuks arrived. To this day Arabs are the largest minority in Turkey after the Kurds who themselves have been influenced by Arabs greatly.

Of course all this can be ignored but facts remain facts. Similar to how most of the Muslim world is Westernized today.

You can't compare what I mentioned with driving a car (lol). In that sense most of the world is either German or Japanese.

But yes, Saudi Arabians and Turks (even more) are Westernized today along with the entire Muslim world to smaller and bigger degrees. Are you doing to deny that as well?
Again with the nonsense! Believe me I want to avoid you but this ... this is nonsensical!!! Islam and Arab are not interchangeable. Tomorrow if no Arab remains... Islam will! That Arabs were ruled by and spared the sword was due to Islam and not vice versa. In fact Arabs have been their own worst enemies. Ummayyads were the last true pan Islamic peninsular authority... Abbasids were in many ways a puppet regime put in place by ascendant Turks and courted by Persians. Later even though the actual control of most former Ummayyad empire went under Turks. Turks and Persians became Muslims and if it wasn't in their hearts imagine the outcome... eventhough it is not a sectarian issue but since many think Persians were always Shi'ite, they weren't, not until another Turkic dynasty converted them...
I know I can parse your thin arguments into shreds but I just don't want to delve into peripheral content.
 
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Again with the nonsense! Believe me I want to avoid you but this ... this is nonsensical!!! Islam and Arab are not interchangeable. Tomorrow if no Arab remains... Islam will! That Arabs were ruled by and spared the sword was due to Islam and not vice versa. In fact Arabs have been their own worst enemies. Ummayyads were the last true pan Islamic peninsular authority... Abbasids were in many ways a puppet regime put in place by ascendant Turks and courted by Persians. Later even though the actual control of most former Ummayyad empire went under Turks. Turks and Persians became Muslims and if it wasn't in their hearts imagine the outcome... eventhough it is not a sectarian issue but since many think Persians were always Shi'ite, they weren't, not until another Turkic dynasty converted them...
I know I can parse your thin arguments into shreds but I just don't want to delve into peripheral content.

You are left without any arguments hence you demonstrated zero ability to prove me wrong with any of the factual statements that I made.

Islam is closely tied to Arabs on every front. Denying this is what it is. Some people belief that the earth is flat, what can I do? However that does not mean that Islam is exclusively for Arabs, nobody ever claimed that and that would be a moronic claim seeing that it was the Arabs of all people that spread Islam to all corners of the world. Even to the most populous Islamic nation in the world (Indonesia) the spread of Islam was mostly the work of Arab merchants, traders, scholars, soldiers etc. from Arabia (mostly Hijazis and Yemenis) which is also why Arabs are the largest non-native ethnic group in Indonesia numbering 5 million + and why Indonesians follow the Shafi'i fiqh. Not different from the spread of Islam in Horn of Africa, Swahili (itself an Arabic word for good reason) or the Sahel (another Arabic word for good reason) and so many other places in the world.

Abbasids were toppled by Mongols (- after the same Mongols killed millions of Turks and Persians having ravaged that area of the world before reaching Baghdad - not Turks who have little to do with them - not even the same language family) almost 500 + years after ascending power in 750 and even after that they nominally ruled the Caliphate from Cairo until 1517 where they were usurped by the Ottomans. Apropos "betrayal", lol.

What hearts? Persians were defeated military by Arabs and them becoming Muslims was not a process that occurred overnight. At first the Umayyad were reluctant to convert non-Arabs to Islam.

Ottomans never controlled "most of the former Umayyad empire". The Umayyad Empire was roughly 3 times larger. As were the Abbasids. Fatimids, a mostly Shia Arab dynasty greatly respected by many Shia Muslims, Ismailis mostly, for instance, was of a similar size as the Ottomans.

Turks also became Muslim due to the Arab conquest of parts of Central Asia and Arab interaction with Turks. How do you think those Turkic (actual Turkic people, not talking about Anatolians of today) ended up being called Mamluks (google what that means in Arabic) and Muslim and how they ended up in some areas of the Arab world.

Anyway the bottomline is that people from areas of the world greatly influenced by Arabs (call it Arabized or whatever), should not engage in moronic and hateful rhetoric against Arabs (people) unless they want to indirectly insult themselves and make fools out of themselves. And if one rare Arab (me) wants to use a language that they only use and understand (hateful rhetoric and trolling against Arabs) I will gladly show them the mirror and put them in their place intellectually. I can do that with and without insults, depending on how they behave as can be seen in this thread. That and the inability of this forum and those who run it, to put an end to this senseless trolling/bashing/agenda which contributed to the exodus of 99% of all Arab users, once a vibrant community of PDF, regardless of sect, religion, ideology, nationality etc.
 
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You are left without any arguments hence you demonstrated zero ability to prove me wrong with any of the factual statements that I made.

Islam is closely tied to Arabs on every front. Denying this is what it is. Some people belief that the earth is flat, what can I do? However that does not mean that Islam is exclusively for Arabs, nobody ever claimed that and that would be a moronic claim seeing that it was the Arabs of all people that spread Islam to all corners of the world. Even to the most populous Islamic nation in the world (Indonesia) the spread of Islam was mostly the work of Arab merchants, traders, scholars, soldiers etc. from Arabia (mostly Hijazis and Yemenis) which is also why Arabs are the largest non-native ethnic group in Indonesia numbering 5 million + and why Indonesians follow the Shafi'i fiqh. Not different from the spread of Islam in Horn of Africa, Swahili (itself an Arabic word for good reason) or the Sahel (another Arabic word for good reason) and so many other places in the world.

Abbasids were toppled by Mongols (- after the same Mongols killed millions of Turks and Persians having ravaged that area of the world before reaching Baghdad - not Turks who have little to do with them - not even the same language family) almost 500 + years after ascending power in 750 and even after that they nominally ruled the Caliphate from Cairo until 1517 where they were usurped by the Ottomans. Apropos "betrayal", lol.

What hearts? Persians were defeated military by Arabs and them becoming Muslims was not a process that occurred overnight. At first the Umayyad were reluctant to convert non-Arabs to Islam.

Ottomans never controlled "most of the former Umayyad empire". The Umayyad Empire was roughly 3 times larger. As were the Abbasids. Fatimids, a mostly Shia Arab dynasty greatly respected by many Shia Muslims, Ismailis mostly, for instance, was of a similar size as the Ottomans.

Turks also became Muslim due to the Arab conquest of parts of Central Asia and Arab interaction with Turks. How do you think those Turkic (actual Turkic people, not talking about Anatolians of today) ended up being called Mamluks (google what that means in Arabic) and Muslim and how they ended up in some areas of the Arab world.

Anyway the bottomline is that people from areas of the world greatly influenced by Arabs (call it Arabized or whatever), should not engage in moronic and hateful rhetoric against Arabs (people) unless they want to indirectly insult themselves and make fools out of themselves. And if one rare Arab (me) wants to use a language that they only use and understand (hateful rhetoric and trolling against Arabs) I will gladly show them the mirror and put them in their place intellectually. I can do that with and without insults, depending on how they behave as can be seen in this thread. That and the inability of this forum and those who run it, to put an end to this senseless trolling/bashing/agenda which contributed to the exodus of 99% of all Arab users, once a vibrant community of PDF, regardless of sect, religion, ideology, nationality etc.

You think promoting Arab nationalism and ridiculing everyone else helps your cause? I don't have to even respond to your argument above... an onlooker who dives just a bit deeper will understand and be better for it... I have nothing against you or Arabs for that matter but thin skinned entitled lot just get in a habit of one upmanship and all they need is a mirror. Remember it were Quraysh that were after the very life of Prophet(Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) and you talk about kinship... his worst years were amongst his own and he had to leave because his own were after his life!
So, no Islam and Arabs are not interchangeable. And, yes, Islam will remain even if no Arab does.
 
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You think promoting Arab nationalism and ridiculing everyone else helps your cause? I don't have to even respond to your argument above... an onlooker who dives just a bit deeper will understand and be better for it... I have nothing against you or Arabs for that matter but thin skinned entitled lot just get in a habit of one upmanship and all they need is a mirror. Remember it were Quraysh that were after the very life of Prophet(Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) and you talk about kinship... his worst years were amongst his own and he had to leave because his own were after his life!
So, no Islam and Arabs are not interchangeable. And, yes, Islam will remain even if no Arab does.

Why do you keep parroting the "Arab nationalism" nonsense when I already told you that I am an Arab patriot? It is natural for people x or y to wish and want the best for their own people. The earliest and greatest Muslims were not any different unless you have proof of the opposite being the case?

Everything that I wrote was factual and you are left with no arguments for a good reason. As earlier.

How is that shocking when the early history of Islam evolved in an Arab context where ancient Semitic pagans (different religions), local Jews, Christians and Hanifs (monotheists since the days of Prophet Ibrahim (AS), were competing for power and with a new religion (rather a return to the worship of one God which was lost a few millennia after Prophet Ibrahim's (as) death and before that when humanity lost it during the era of Prophet Adam (as) and Haawa.

The same Quraysh later became the backbone of Islamic adherents and gave rise to some of the greatest Islamic personalities in history.

Anyway what are you even arguing? Who claimed that Islam is exclusively for Arabs? Who claimed that Arabs are perfect (lol) or any people for that matter? Who mentioned anything about Arab nationalism even once before you started blabbering about it out of the blue to somehow try to discredit the factual facts that I wrote by hiding under that accusation? As if there was anything wrong with being that. 90% of all participants of this forum of Pakistani origins are Pakistani nationalists. The notion of this very forum (Pakistan defense forum) is nationalistic and you are a part of it.

I imagine that you are a Pakistani despite those two US flags. Might be wrong though.

Maybe I should accuse you of being a lesser Muslim for hiding behind Pakistani nationalism and anti-Arab bias? How about that?
 
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Why do you keep parroting the "Arab nationalism" nonsense when I already told you that I am an Arab patriot? It is natural for people x or y to wish and want the best for their own people. The earliest and greatest Muslims were not any different unless you have proof of the opposite being the case?

Everything that I wrote was factual and you are left with no arguments for a good reason. As earlier.

How is that shocking when the early history of Islam evolved in an Arab context where ancient Semitic pagans (different religions), local Jews, Christians and Hanifs (monotheists since the days of Prophet Ibrahim (AS), were competing for power and with a new religion (rather a return to the worship of one God which was lost a few millennia after Prophet Ibrahim's (as) death and before that when humanity lost it during the era of Prophet Adam (as) and Haawa.

The same Quraysh later became the backbone of Islamic adherents and gave rise to some of the greatest Islamic personalities in history.

Anyway what are you even arguing? Who claimed that Islam is exclusively for Arabs? Who claimed that Arabs are perfect (lol) or any people for that matter? Who mentioned anything about Arab nationalism even once before you started blabbering about it out of the blue to somehow try to discredit the factual facts that I wrote by hiding under that accusation? As if there was anything wrong with being that. 90% of all participants of this forum of Pakistani origins are Pakistani nationalists. The notion of this very forum (Pakistan defense forum) is nationalistic and you are a part of it.

I imagine that you are a Pakistani despite those two US flags. Might be wrong though.

Maybe I should accuse you of being a lesser Muslim for hiding behind Pakistani nationalism and anti-Arab bias? How about that?

You are a funny guy... Arab patriot rather, not Arab nationalist... stating factual facts ... going on tangents no one can surpass... I almost laughed thinking probability of you actually speaking the way you write ... anyways, goodluck!
 
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In America, toilet paper is more expensive than a barrel of oil. Gulf countries must diversify their economies to include toilet paper export.
What are they going to make it out of?
Sand?
 
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You are a funny guy... Arab patriot rather, not Arab nationalist... stating factual facts ... going on tangents no one can surpass... I almost laughed thinking probability of you actually speaking the way you write ... anyways, goodluck!

I would be laughing too if I was willing to engage (and waste my time in the process) in a discussion about topics that I know very little about while denying well-known historical facts and ground realities while relying on mostly one-liners and absurd claims that nobody mentioned.

So your lack of reply to my questions, I gather that you are a Pakistani nationalist with an anti-Arab bias and thus a lesser Muslim (in your own eyes)? Fair enough.

What are they going to make it out of?
Sand?

The entire forest cover in Arabia is several times larger than that of Pakistan and we have the biggest amount of palm trees in the world.

While we speak KSA is planting millions of new trees and turning formerly fertile areas into fertile areas again. Those areas are even visible from space. But thank you for displaying your ignorance for all to see.

In fact large parts of Hijaz and Southern KSA have a semi-tropical climate with monsoons like seasons and plenty of rainfall.

In fact the South and South of Hijaz suffered from flooding in recent days.


Ironically the UK that you live in, barely has any forest, (compared to almost every single European country) given its location in Europe.

In comparison KSA is an entire continent (almost) the size of half of Europe with every landscape imaginable (almost) from green valleys and mountains and lowland, to rugged snowcapped mountains, to the tropical Red Sea coastline, to mighty valleys, huge volcanic areas, sandy, rocky, mountainous, volcanic desert, almost 2000 islands, steppe, fertile farmland, 3000 + of coastline etc. And that is KSA alone, let alone all of Arabia or the Arab world.
 
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I would be laughing too if I was willing to engage (and waste my time in the process) in a discussion about topics that I know very little about while denying well-known historical facts and ground realities while relying on mostly one-liners and absurd claims that nobody mentioned.

So your lack of reply to my questions, I gather that you are a Pakistani nationalist with an anti-Arab bias and thus a lesser Muslim (in your own eyes)? Fair enough.
Haha... I'm so sorry ... I didn't want to trigger you... I wanted finish it on a rather high... but what is your argument? Irregular, irrelevant, unconnected tangents... I apologize, if I'm not answering you word for word... but that would be waste of my time... and you being a good patriotic Arab wouldn't want that, would you?
 
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The GCC has a GDP (nominal) that is 3 times larger than the entire Turkish economy. With much bigger prospects for growth given the population growth, youth population, lack of taxation (one of the main income sources for most economies of the world), economic prognosis etc.

Ur population is backward, religious and useless. Ur economy is run by natural recourcess which are seeing a radical decline. You like to project that ur economy is all right and no trouble there but the reality is that ur economy is fucked and ur not moving forward. This is it for you.

The Turkish economy is much better then ur GCC ones lol Every projection projects growth and a much heavier economy growth then ur GCC countries combined. The main difference is that the Turkish economy is growing at a very high rate and this growth doesnt rely on natural recources which ur countries do. I like how u want to compare urselfs to us but u dont have shit ur futureless, ur money is drying up, Arab.
Let us not even talk about GDP per capita nor HDI index. There is no comparison.

We are not the ones living off of oil money but this decade is the last decade, just dont think u will continue such a lavish lifestyle supported by OIL (not skill)


It is a single country de facto and will become a single country in the future as well as it was for millennia and that is just the beginning with Yemen and others joining in the future.

Futureless nations thats what u are who are beyond all repair


The non-oil/gas wealth of the GCC is larger than the entire Turkish economy as well, my Arabized Afghan. You better worry about overtaking Yemen than trying to act like a Turk while you have no connections to Turkey and while the average Turk looks down upon your likes.

The Turkish economy is run by Industry and services while urs is run by OIL which is going to vanish. Jump around left and right my little arab but thats the reality.

what are you brabbling again: arab immigrants! the ones the mighty arabs dont want to take care of.. children and woman the pride of a nation.. wich rich gulf arabs dont want to look after.. and the miserable erdogan takes them in his country and looks after them and than these gulf arabs are disrespectfull and call names.. what humiliation.. I would not speak if arabs would have to watch out for my children and wife! I would be such in shame.. but at least I would not be disrespectfull and ungrateful.. but hey different countries different cultures different behavior huh?

Thats the issue, they dont have a future and will cause us even more headache in the near future because their main source of money is drying up. They work in the gov. sector, are to dumb for the private sector while having massive pop. growth. 90% of their revenues is coming from OIL and every retard is aware that this sector is going to vanish in the immediate future.

Now they started a war against the Russians and Americans to get the last drops of barrel money. That source of money is going to vanish and these gcc economies rely on that source.
 
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I would be laughing too if I was willing to engage (and waste my time in the process) in a discussion about topics that I know very little about while denying well-known historical facts and ground realities while relying on mostly one-liners and absurd claims that nobody mentioned.

So your lack of reply to my questions, I gather that you are a Pakistani nationalist with an anti-Arab bias and thus a lesser Muslim (in your own eyes)? Fair enough.



The entire forest cover in Arabia is several times larger than that of Pakistan and we have the biggest amount of palm trees in the world.

While we speak KSA is planting millions of new trees and turning formerly fertile areas into fertile areas again. Those areas are even visible from space. But thank you for displaying your ignorance for all to see.

In fact large parts of Hijaz and Southern KSA have a semi-tropical climate with monsoons like seasons and plenty of rainfall.

In fact the South and South of Hijaz suffered from flooding in recent days.


Ironically the UK that you live in, barely has any forest, (compared to almost every single European country) given its location in Europe.

In comparison KSA is an entire continent (almost) the size of half of Europe with every landscape imaginable (almost) from green valleys and mountains and lowland, to rugged snowcapped mountains, to the tropical Red Sea coastline, to mighty valleys, huge volcanic areas, sandy, rocky, mountainous, volcanic desert, almost 2000 islands, steppe, fertile farmland, 3000 + of coastline etc. And that is KSA alone, let alone all of Arabia or the Arab world.
You're talking out of your backside.
A quick Google shows
Saudi forest cover 0.5% = 977,000 hectares.
Pakistan forest cover 5.2%= 4,570,000 hectares
UK forest cover 13%=3,190,000 hectares.
So you were right about displaying ignorance for all to see.
Only it wasn't my ignorance but yours.
Ironically.
Lolz.
 
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Ur population is backward, religious and useless. Ur economy is run by natural recourcess which are seeing a radical decline. You like to project that ur economy is all right and no trouble there but the reality is that ur economy is fucked and ur not moving forward. This is it for you.

The Turkish economy is much better then ur GCC ones lol Every projection projects growth and a much heavier economy growth then ur GCC countries combined. The main difference is that the Turkish economy is growing at a very high rate and this growth doesnt rely on natural recources which ur countries do. I like how u want to compare urselfs to us but u dont have shit ur futureless, ur money is drying up, Arab.


We are not the ones living off of oil money but this decade is the last decade, just dont think u will continue such a lavish lifestyle supported by OIL (not skill)




Futureless nations thats what u are who are beyond all repair




The Turkish economy is run by Industry and services while urs is run by OIL which is going to vanish. Jump around left and right my little arab but thats the reality.



Thats the issue, they dont have a future and will cause us even more headache in the near future because their main source of money is drying up. They work in the gov. sector, are to dumb for the private sector while having massive pop. growth. 90% of their revenues is coming from OIL and every retard is aware that this sector is going to vanish in the immediate future.

Now they started a war against the Russians and Americans to get the last drops of barrel money. That source of money is going to vanish and these gcc economies rely on that source.
If that was true.. why Turkey is even ready to go to war against Greece and others..just for a little bit of Oil and Gas..:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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Ur population is backward, religious and useless. Ur economy is run by natural recourcess which are seeing a radical decline. You like to project that ur economy is all right and no trouble there but the reality is that ur economy is fucked and ur not moving forward. This is it for you.

The Turkish economy is much better then ur GCC ones lol Every projection projects growth and a much heavier economy growth then ur GCC countries combined. The main difference is that the Turkish economy is growing at a very high rate and this growth doesnt rely on natural recources which ur countries do. I like how u want to compare urselfs to us but u dont have shit ur futureless, ur money is drying up, Arab.


We are not the ones living off of oil money but this decade is the last decade, just dont think u will continue such a lavish lifestyle supported by OIL (not skill)




Futureless nations thats what u are who are beyond all repair




The Turkish economy is run by Industry and services while urs is run by OIL which is going to vanish. Jump around left and right my little arab but thats the reality.



Thats the issue, they dont have a future and will cause us even more headache in the near future because their main source of money is drying up. They work in the gov. sector, are to dumb for the private sector while having massive pop. growth. 90% of their revenues is coming from OIL and every retard is aware that this sector is going to vanish in the immediate future.

Now they started a war against the Russians and Americans to get the last drops of barrel money. That source of money is going to vanish and these gcc economies rely on that source.

The Arab world and Arabia has always been much richer than tiny Anatolia since recorded history began. Continues to be the case to this day whether we are talking about the size of the economy or income per capita. No comparison. In fact you are the backward country in comparison in terms of infrastructure, cleanliness, HDI index. Even your university rankings are pathetic compared to KSA. As for historical achievements, you are nowhere to be to compare with either.

As for religious, you don't have a clue and I suggest taking a look at your own backyard. Useless is the scientific output of a 80 million big nation that has been under the protective umbrella (political and economic) of the West (Europe) and NATO for almost 80 years. 100 years if we include the Western inspired/copycat reforms of Mustafa Kemal.

Are you sure about that because a quick Google search shows KSA alone (let alone the remaining GCC states) being top 20 economies.

Your economy is totally indebted, you have one of the largest debt to earnings ratios in the world, your currency is of little value and inflation is sky-high.

Which high-tech industries are you talking about?

You are the ones that is obsessed about Arabs, my Arabized Anatoli, not Arab users here.


UAE is no longer dependent on oil or gas. KSA and Qatar is moving in the same direction (just a question of time) with the non-oil/gas sector booming.

KSA has some of the largest industries in the region in the petrochemical sector, desalination sector, trade, tourism, educational/scientific (per capita), mineral, agriculture, alternative energy (solar, wind, dams), construction and many other industries.

Our non-oil revenue made up 40% of our record big budget for 2019
. SAR 833 billion (222 USD billion). Try again and it keeps decreasing each week/month.

And once taxation is introduced and the economy keeps developing on its current path until 2030, the non-oil revenue of yearly budgets will decrease to 20-25%.

Pathetic, stick to exporting your tomatoes and cheap clothing and relying on cheap Russian and German tourists flooding your country during the summer.

And yes, your economy is more diversified only because you had no choice and had a head-start of approximately 50-60 years as well as relying on Europe when they embraced you, hence the millions of poor illiterate Turks that ended up in Europe as cheap labour doing all the jobs the Europeans did not want to do.

I would take you a bit more seriously if you were a Japanese or South Korean. You are just a bigger version of Lebanon and those types of countries.

Now compare KSA/GCC with all the other main oil/gas producers from Venezuela to Brunei and there is a world apart between them.

Now continue your Arab obsession and dreams of some imaginary Arab dismiss while your people can only dream about the wealth of the GCC.


You're talking out of your backside.
A quick Google shows
Saudi forest cover 0.5% = 977,000 hectares.
Pakistan forest cover 5.2%= 4,570,000 hectares
UK forest cover 13%=3,190,000 hectares.
So you were right about displaying ignorance for all to see.
Only it wasn't my ignorance but yours.
Ironically.
Lolz.

From where did you invent those nonsense numbers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_forest_area

and in the case of KSA those are outdated numbers (very much so) so we likely have more forest cover than Pakistan alone let alone all of Arabia (which was what I wrote initially) and which you cleverly omit to make yourself not look like a fool.

And 5% is A LOT anyway, lol. IN reality most of your country is desert/mountainous much like KSA and rest being lowland/farmland/grassland as well just like in KSA. And most of your forest cover is located in the far north (due to the elevation of your mountains) where only like 2% of your total population lives. Rest is alongside the irrigation that the Brits created during the colonial period. In any case, I am happy that we don't live in a humid jungle but I assume that is what you want however I am afraid that Pakistan is no such country.

As for the UK, 13% forest cover for a European country is very little. Among the lowest in all of Europe.

In any case KSA is planning to plant 100's of millions of trees in the upcoming years and decades. Riyadh's aim for instance is to have trees/parks cover 20% of the territory which will decrease the temperature by 2-3 degrees celsius.

If that was true.. why Turkey is even ready to go to war against Greece and others..just for a little bit of Oil and Gas..:lol::lol::lol::lol:

The type of "war" as the Syrian fiasco, I imagine. The second Turkey dares to attack Greece, its economy will be destroyed overnight like we all saw last summer or was it in 2018? Yes, Turkey has a more diversified economy than KSA/GCC for the reasons that I mentioned as well as a much larger population (not for much longer - bigger populations = automatically larger economies by default) but this Arabized and Arab-obsessed troll is acting like Turkey was some kind of technological power etc. while it is nothing more than a developing country that has used its location and close economic cooperation with Europe for 100 + years to its advantage. The way this troll describes it, one would think that Turkey was Japan, South Korea or dare I say even the US, LOL. While Turks were walking Noble Prize laureates. Ironically 2 of their only ones or 1 of their only ones, is an Arab ethnically whose mother tongue was Arabic.

Anyway let him showcase his obsession. Who cares about the useless blabbering of some impoverished and Arabized Turk who calls much richer and more developed countries (as per HDI index) for backward, as if he was living in some imaginary superpower entity that dwarfed Arabs on every front.

The poor guys thinks that the few million Syrians that crossed the border wanted to cross it to live in Turkey and not reach Europe. He talks about economy, while not mentioning his own (worse) state, lol.
 
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Brother, I hate to get in between you two, since I respect and love you both as brothers. but please see this pic. The guy 4th from left is Qatari. Pic taken in Riyadh, Oct 2019, GCC Supreme Military Committee meeting

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At the end of the day Qatar is Arab, and part of GCC, Sooner or later, their differences will be sorted out. The current situation for Qatar is unsustainable. IF NOT, they would not have been negotiating.

Qatar foreign minister says early talks with Saudi Arabia have broken stalemate
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...di-arabia-have-broken-stalemate-idUSKBN1YK0MU
I can't help it, sorry :D
 
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The Arab world and Arabia has always been much richer than tiny Anatolia since recorded history began. Continues to be the case to this day whether we are talking about the size of the economy or income per capita. No comparison. In fact you are the backward country in comparison in terms of infrastructure, cleanliness, HDI index. Even your university rankings are pathetic compared to KSA. As for historical achievements, you are nowhere to be to compare with either.

The Arab world is a futureless shithole, there is a reason why ur folks are migrating to Turkey and elsewhere to the world in the millions. Turkeys infrastructure is better then ur GCC ones, we are not using bengalis or Indians which are working for 10$ dollar a day, we are among the most clean people in the world- afterall we are the ones who teached u what a shower is, Our HDI is growing in a good rate.

Our universites are better then urs, we have now 9 in the top 1000 compared to u which has 7. Retard

As for religious, you don't have a clue and I suggest taking a look at your own backyard. Useless is the scientific output of a 80 million big nation that has been under the protective umbrella (political and economic) of the West (Europe) and NATO for almost 80 years. 100 years if we include the Western inspired/copycat reforms of Mustafa Kemal.

We are placed 20 globally and placed number 1 in the middle east lol
https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php


Are you sure about that because a quick Google search shows KSA alone (let alone the remaining GCC states) being top 20 economies.

Yes, and im also very direct, ur GDP relies on natural recourcess and thats the reality, continue to bark around but every economist knows that ur fucked lol

Your economy is totally indebted, you have one of the largest debt to earnings ratios in the world, your currency is of little value and inflation is sky-high.

Well, the private sector build up some debt but they are getting rid of it which is a good thing. The currency situation is also interesting because what Trump did in 2018 is attempted by the GCC countries, the difference is u dont have the financial means :D

You are the ones that is obsessed about Arabs, my Arabized Anatoli, not Arab users here.

I have my reasons why im going after you and this has the backround that ur posting fake news about our economy in the web. Now deal with it. We are going to **** you like the houthis do :D

UAE is no longer dependent on oil or gas. KSA and Qatar is moving in the same direction (just a question of time) with the non-oil/gas sector booming.

The UAE likes to project itself as a country which is not reliant on that, the reality is, they are with Dubai needing a bail out every decade from abu dhabi which is in fact a oil run economy and with oil drying up this will get very interesting :D Its also a fact that the UAE likes to pay the Press to project itself as "the country" in the region which doesnt rely on that source of income which is complete bullshit. UAE relies to a very large part on Oil as well.

KSA has some of the largest industries in the region in the petrochemical sector, desalination sector, trade, tourism, educational/scientific (per capita), mineral, agriculture, alternative energy (solar, wind, dams), construction and many other industries.

90% oil 10% mekka tourism. Ur fucked. Jump around left and right buts that the reality.

Our non-oil revenue made up 40% of our record big budget for 2019. SAR 833 billion (222 USD billion). Try again and it keeps decreasing each week/month.

Who are you fooling here, bedoin
The petroleum sector accounts for roughly 87% of budget revenues, 42% of GDP, and 90% of export earnings

And once taxation is introduced and the economy keeps developing on its current path until 2030, the non-oil revenue of yearly budgets will decrease to 20-25%.

LOL, Taxes are the reason why ur population is already barking left and right. Ur country is fucked and there is no vision for 2030, certainly not with 20$ lol

Pathetic, stick to exporting your tomatoes and cheap clothing and relying on cheap Russian and German tourists flooding your country during the summer.

I hope that Turkey follows a similar path like the netherlands does in agriculture, the netherlands for example exports 92b$ worth of agriculture products so this is a good thing actually :D Cheap clothing is also fine, we are right now seeing huge order shifts from China to Turkey and this will add to the economy. And Tourism is also booming, 45 million visits in 2019 and we expected like 60 for 2020 which unfortunatly will only happen next year :D

And yes, your economy is more diversified only because you had no choice and had a head-start of approximately 50-60 years as well as relying on Europe when they embraced you, hence the millions of poor illiterate Turks that ended up in Europe as cheap labour doing all the jobs the Europeans did not want to do.

And today these Turks are doing fine :D


I would take you a bit more seriously if you were a Japanese or South Korean. You are just a bigger version of Lebanon and those types of countries.
I dont give a **** about ur opinion, ur an arab.
Now compare KSA/GCC with all the other main oil/gas producers from Venezuela to Brunei and there is a world apart between them.

I compare u to camel dung and even there im not sure if its even worth to compare u to dung :D
Now continue your Arab obsession and dreams of some imaginary Arab dismiss while your people can only dream about the wealth of the GCC.

I will

If that was true.. why Turkey is even ready to go to war against Greece and others..just for a little bit of Oil and Gas..:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Because its about general economic rights in the region and if we get the Gas for ourselves (not oil) then why not. Who is there to challenge us :D
 
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The Arab world is a futureless shithole, there is a reason why ur folks are migrating to Turkey and elsewhere to the world in the millions. Turkeys infrastructure is better then ur GCC ones, we are not using bengalis or Indians which are working for 10$ dollar a day, we are among the most clean people in the world- afterall we are the ones who teached u what a shower is, Our HDI is growing in a good rate.

Our universites are better then urs, we have now 9 in the top 1000 compared to u which has 7. Retard



We are placed 20 globally and placed number 1 in the middle east lol
https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php




Yes, and im also very direct, ur GDP relies on natural recourcess and thats the reality, continue to bark around but every economist knows that ur fucked lol



Well, the private sector build up some debt but they are getting rid of it which is a good thing. The currency situation is also interesting because what Trump did in 2018 is attempted by the GCC countries, the difference is u dont have the financial means :D



I have my reasons why im going after you and this has the backround that ur posting fake news about our economy in the web. Now deal with it. We are going to **** you like the houthis do :D



The UAE likes to project itself as a country which is not reliant on that, the reality is, they are with Dubai needing a bail out every decade from abu dhabi which is in fact a oil run economy and with oil drying up this will get very interesting :D Its also a fact that the UAE likes to pay the Press to project itself as "the country" in the region which doesnt rely on that source of income which is complete bullshit. UAE relies to a very large part on Oil as well.



90% oil 10% mekka tourism. Ur fucked. Jump around left and right buts that the reality.



Who are you fooling here, bedoin




LOL, Taxes are the reason why ur population is already barking left and right. Ur country is fucked and there is no vision for 2030, certainly not with 20$ lol



I hope that Turkey follows a similar path like the netherlands does in agriculture, the netherlands for example exports 92b$ worth of agriculture products so this is a good thing actually :D Cheap clothing is also fine, we are right now seeing huge order shifts from China to Turkey and this will add to the economy. And Tourism is also booming, 45 million visits in 2019 and we expected like 60 for 2020 which unfortunatly will only happen next year :D



And today these Turks are doing fine :D



I dont give a **** about ur opinion, ur an arab.


I compare u to camel dung and even there im not sure if its even worth to compare u to dung :D


I will

Nothing better than the eternal inferiority complexes and obsessions of impoverished Arabized Anatolis and their little entity surrounded by hostile states everywhere. Incoherent blabbering while your economy has been ****** for years. Trump destroyed your economy within less than 24 hours. Wake up! When Russia put some small sanctions and stopped sending their drunk hordes to your country to have all kinds of fun ( ;) ) your Erdogan was begging on his knees to papa Putin to stop him. Just like the recent humiliation in Moscow. Never seen anything like this in the modern era within the region.

How did your Erdogan mouthpieces that you are quoting 24/7 spin the Syria fiasco and this humiliation?

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Just like your pathetic MB project failed everywhere in the Arab world alongside your Qatari poodle.:lol:

You rather worry about your small economy, pathetic HDI and GDP per capita rather than much wealthier states and an entire region (Arab world) that is already lightyears ahead of you in terms of combined economic power and size. Which will only increase in the future given all of our resources, potential, landmass and population growth and young populations.

No amount of crying or barking will ever change the above. What you can hope for, for the next 100 years, is to try to close the gap with the GCC in terms of economic size. GDP per capita is never going to happen.

Wasted enough of my time on you, just going to enjoy your pathetic likes frustration with the ground realities :lol: while Arabs will keep buying your cheap firms up and land while having fun in your discount destination. Explains why it is mostly the Arab rednecks who travel to your country.:lol:
 
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