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Don't mind if you take it with salt or sugar, doesn't concern me in the slightest. Like I said I am not talking about Balochistan or Kashmir here, but about normal areas which aren't disturbed. Btw I didn't understand the significance of the photo in your post.
Shows how heavy handed your LEAs can be.
Dont start a shut slinging contest and acting like your country is some uptopian state with angels for cops etc.
Don't go down that road.
Personally I don't care how highly you regard your LEAs but when you take pot shots at my boys then I have to take notice.
Have a nice day and end this conversation
 
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Shows how heavy handed your LEAs can be.
Dont start a shut slinging contest and acting like your country is some uptopian state with angels for cops etc.
Don't go down that road.
Personally I don't care how highly you regard your LEAs but when you take pot shots at my boys then I have to take notice.
Have a nice day and end this conversation

I don't hold the security forces of any country in high esteem, mine included. After all the foot soldiers of any army are basically illiterate uneducated goons who if they were not in the security forces would be most likely indulging in criminal activities. The officers on the other hand, are mostly educational rejects, it's not as if engineers, M.B.A.'s, doctors, PhD's, scientists are lining up to join the security forces, but rather the guys who can't make these career choices who choose security related career options. I don't believe in jingoism and rhetorical praise of armed forces. I have many friends as officers in the Indian armed forces. I have studied with and taught many children of officers in the Pakistani armed forces for many years in USA. So I know exactly the calibre of the so called great armed forces on both sides of the border.

I would take equal exception to any armed forces guards beating me up for taking a photo, no matter who I am, and where I am. Whether I'm Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi. Beating up any person for taking a photo is a criminal activity for which anyone should be punished without exception, whether in Indian army, Pakistani army or Bangladeshi army.
 
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He kind of asked for it. And yes its one side of story. Tell me anyone of U have ever come across a single person in your whole life who had actually narrated that part of story where he was wrong too?
 
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I don't hold the security forces of any country in high esteem, mine included. After all the foot soldiers of any army are basically illiterate uneducated goons who if they were not in the security forces would be most likely indulging in criminal activities. The officers on the other hand, are mostly educational rejects, it's not as if engineers, M.B.A.'s, doctors, PhD's, scientists are lining up to join the security forces, but rather the guys who can't make these career choices who choose security related career options. I don't believe in jingoism and rhetorical praise of armed forces. I have many friends as officers in the Indian armed forces. I have studied with and taught many children of officers in the Pakistani armed forces for many years in USA. So I know exactly the calibre of the so called great armed forces on both sides of the border.

I would take equal exception to any armed forces guards beating me up for taking a photo, no matter who I am, and where I am. Whether I'm Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi. Beating up any person for taking a photo is a criminal activity for which anyone should be punished without exception, whether in Indian army, Pakistani army or Bangladeshi army.
Exactly my point Sir.
So give this educational reject to beg your pardon and end this pointless conversation.
Have a nice day.
 
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Exactly my point Sir.
So give this educational reject to beg your pardon and end this pointless conversation.
Have a nice day.

Well you were having the pointless conversion when you wanted to, so whenever you want you can end it too. No prob. Take care and have a fantastic day. :-)
 
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Well you were having the pointless conversion when you wanted to, so whenever you want you can end it too. No prob. Take care and have a fantastic day. :-)
Haha roger, but I am afraid it's a bit to late to have a fantastic day, mine has already turned shite
 
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The good thing is that you opened the thread by saying that this is a facebook incident. How this story went in real time is anyone's guess. If what is written is true then it is despicable and really finding out what the security guys were thinking is important. There are ways to handle a situation properly and what has been said happened does not feel like anything was done correctly. I have had my fair share of snaps of security personal and I haven't had this sort of reaction by them. Even close to sensitive locations.
 
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Until and unless it is you are treated in similar way, right friend ?? :)

Yes I am up for that! Here in US I see Americans are treated the same way at the airport as anyother national. So we have to learn something from them.
 
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Rangers are very critical part of security they should not be interrupted while on duty or taken pictures of while performing their duties.

This is what a student has posted and many people have shared this post, its one sided story so no conclusion can be made yet but please read it and comment your opinion regarding it.

On 24th October 2016, while on my way to IBA university for a class, I encountered a horizontally parked rangers mobile on Shahrah-e-Faisal. The flow of the traffic had been halted, and I was running short on time. In order to justify to my teacher why I had run late, I took a picture of the situation from my cell phone.

A ranger’s official, upon witnessing this, rushed to my car immediately grabbed me and started pulling at me. He dragged me out of the car and snatched my mobile from me. More ranger’s personnel gathered around and without any justification, they proceeded to kick and shove me, with their guns pointed at me. I asked them if I had done anything wrong, you can search me but why are you torturing me? They sneered that I took a picture, HOW could I take a picture? I kept screaming that I took the picture to justify being late for my class to my teacher, and that that no law prohibits taking pictures in a public space. However, that went unheard and it just infuriated them further, so they started beating me like animals. I pleaded them to delete the pictures and just let me go because I had to get to my class. But they continued to strangle my throat, punch me, kick me, shove me and hit me with their gun butts. Even after deleting the picture, they refused to let me go. They threw me in their mobile and took me at their HQ. An officer appeared and upon assessing the situation, the rangers let me go at his directions. The rangers just disappeared inside quickly, and left me to rot and walk back to my car, which had been impounded by the traffic police by then.

The way they left me untried in a hurry was a proof of my innocence and their unjustified torture over me. If the officer had perceived any threat or any wrongdoing on my part, he definitely would have not freed me. I sustained a bleeding wound injury on my forehead, possibly from a gun butt. Besides that, there were injuries to my back, knee, leg, and internally bleeding bruises on my arms and shoulders. Moreover, marks of strangulation from gripping hands were also obvious on both sides of my neck. My whole body was in tatters and immense pain.

I acknowledge that the rangers have done great work in Karachi for law and order, and as a responsible law-abiding citizen of Pakistan, I respect and admire the work of Pakistani Security forces. However, this does not give them any right to treat a Pakistani citizen in this humiliatingly inhumane and animalistic way. What they did was violation of civil and basic human rights, and I don’t believe that even the laws of these security forces can condone such brutality. Even if they perceived me to be a threat, they could have addressed this issue in a civil manner, I am ready to present myself for checking and investigation as per law. But they had no right to beat me. I noticed the name of two officials, Zafar and Nazar, while other 4-5 soldiers had ammo jackets wrapped over their nameplates but can be identified by me.

I hope that the top officials of these security forces will investigate this matter, and take notice of this and other such incidents of civilians being mistreated by some personnel. These incidents raise a question mark and taint the good-work done by our security forces. Civilians do not pay for their heavy budget so they can boss around and exploit ordinary citizens, where institutions made for our safety become a threat to us.


Although reading this i feel sad for the kid, however I wanted to post this not to mock rangers or any security agency nor the kid, I am die hard fan of armed forces but this is wrong at some aspects and right at few like for example:
1. Kid was stupid to snap pictures of rangers personnel on line of duty without their consent

2. Rangers should have taken him to HQ interrogated him since they cant take a chance but should not have beaten him right at spot.

I do think that kid might have misbehaved while rangers asked for the pics or phone to see themselves what snapshots he's taken. This kid is way too stupid for posting coordinates too of the location of rangers post on public post.

My view is that rangers was right after the events of Quetta attack they just cant accept even a single mistake.

One more important thing for every member here don't snap pictures of personnel of any branch while they are on duty and also without their consent.

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rangers did the right thing ,,,, period
the stupid kid could have been doing reiki
after 911 even in the mighty usa u are not allowed to take pics of sensitive areas or people

Wow. Pathetic behaviour from Rangers towards fellow citizens of Pakistan. These Ranger guys should be punished and court-martialed at the bear minimum.
really ????
and when someone targets rangers u will say rip
wake up man this a new kind of war on terror, where some privelages have to be curtained

so you mean killing of 140 innocent children in APS is fair as taliban think they are in war with the state? islam teach us not everything is fair in love and war its just a lame excuse from some sick people to justify the genocide they did. like tipu sultan once said:
Once a soldier asked Tipu Sultan:
"Is it everything is fair in Love & War..?"
in an epic sentence Tipu Sultan replied:
It's an excuse of english people
Our tradition is that,
"Whatever is to be done in love & war,
"should be fair.."
totally out of context and to boot unfair
 
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Never believe a one-sided story ..... if it's true ....rangers should apologize and should be taken into account and if not..... the kid is in hot waters then
 
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Facebook sources are not credible and are not allowed as per PDF rules. It could most likely be well-exaggerated claims.
Rangers are very critical part of security they should not be interrupted while on duty or taken pictures of while performing their duties.

This is what a student has posted and many people have shared this post, its one sided story so no conclusion can be made yet but please read it and comment your opinion regarding it.

On 24th October 2016, while on my way to IBA university for a class, I encountered a horizontally parked rangers mobile on Shahrah-e-Faisal. The flow of the traffic had been halted, and I was running short on time. In order to justify to my teacher why I had run late, I took a picture of the situation from my cell phone.

A ranger’s official, upon witnessing this, rushed to my car immediately grabbed me and started pulling at me. He dragged me out of the car and snatched my mobile from me. More ranger’s personnel gathered around and without any justification, they proceeded to kick and shove me, with their guns pointed at me. I asked them if I had done anything wrong, you can search me but why are you torturing me? They sneered that I took a picture, HOW could I take a picture? I kept screaming that I took the picture to justify being late for my class to my teacher, and that that no law prohibits taking pictures in a public space. However, that went unheard and it just infuriated them further, so they started beating me like animals. I pleaded them to delete the pictures and just let me go because I had to get to my class. But they continued to strangle my throat, punch me, kick me, shove me and hit me with their gun butts. Even after deleting the picture, they refused to let me go. They threw me in their mobile and took me at their HQ. An officer appeared and upon assessing the situation, the rangers let me go at his directions. The rangers just disappeared inside quickly, and left me to rot and walk back to my car, which had been impounded by the traffic police by then.

The way they left me untried in a hurry was a proof of my innocence and their unjustified torture over me. If the officer had perceived any threat or any wrongdoing on my part, he definitely would have not freed me. I sustained a bleeding wound injury on my forehead, possibly from a gun butt. Besides that, there were injuries to my back, knee, leg, and internally bleeding bruises on my arms and shoulders. Moreover, marks of strangulation from gripping hands were also obvious on both sides of my neck. My whole body was in tatters and immense pain.

I acknowledge that the rangers have done great work in Karachi for law and order, and as a responsible law-abiding citizen of Pakistan, I respect and admire the work of Pakistani Security forces. However, this does not give them any right to treat a Pakistani citizen in this humiliatingly inhumane and animalistic way. What they did was violation of civil and basic human rights, and I don’t believe that even the laws of these security forces can condone such brutality. Even if they perceived me to be a threat, they could have addressed this issue in a civil manner, I am ready to present myself for checking and investigation as per law. But they had no right to beat me. I noticed the name of two officials, Zafar and Nazar, while other 4-5 soldiers had ammo jackets wrapped over their nameplates but can be identified by me.

I hope that the top officials of these security forces will investigate this matter, and take notice of this and other such incidents of civilians being mistreated by some personnel. These incidents raise a question mark and taint the good-work done by our security forces. Civilians do not pay for their heavy budget so they can boss around and exploit ordinary citizens, where institutions made for our safety become a threat to us.


Although reading this i feel sad for the kid, however I wanted to post this not to mock rangers or any security agency nor the kid, I am die hard fan of armed forces but this is wrong at some aspects and right at few like for example:
1. Kid was stupid to snap pictures of rangers personnel on line of duty without their consent

2. Rangers should have taken him to HQ interrogated him since they cant take a chance but should not have beaten him right at spot.

I do think that kid might have misbehaved while rangers asked for the pics or phone to see themselves what snapshots he's taken. This kid is way too stupid for posting coordinates too of the location of rangers post on public post.

My view is that rangers was right after the events of Quetta attack they just cant accept even a single mistake.

One more important thing for every member here don't snap pictures of personnel of any branch while they are on duty and also without their consent.

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