Has the mantle of global leadership passed from the US to China?

[Max]

no, but in next 2 decades, no one can stop them if China chose cooperation.. China should strive for better relations with major economies around them like Japan, SK, Indonesia and bharat [if they want]..

 

[jhungary]

And what if China makes countries economic,financially dependent on China,like it does with most ''Black'' African countries,most of the neighbourhood and South American countries?
Even Russia and some Arab countries are under Chinese influence.

The term "Financially Dependent" does not actually exist.

Look at the real world, we all depending on the bank one way or another, you may have a mortgage, a repayment for your car, credit card debt, personal or commercial loan. If we don't pay back the bank, they screw us with taking our home, cars, business or whatever, but did the bank ever dictate how we live?

Financial assistance is tangible, you either loan to someone who have secure asset which can guarantee the repayment for the debt, or you go insecure, and lose it all if they failed to pay, as a bank, they cannot ask you to go here and there just because you owe them money, the same thing is with country-country relationship.

China investment may have allow the Chinese to dictate the term for their development, the problem is, what if that country cannot pay up? Nothing is actually going to happen, unless China invade those country that cannot repay their investment, you do not have anything tangible that would allow China to gain any form of advantage, because you loan me money for the some infrastructure and I owe you money, I won't actually cede my territories to you.

In reality, foreign investment is actually a bad idea if your goal is to dominate a country, you may operate on a moral system where people have some say about the money or resource I lend to other, but in reality, you invest or lend me something, I may be grateful to you, but then I will just take your asset and go do whatever the heck I want with it. Will I listen to you if you lend me money? Nope.

Take a recent news as an example. China loan the money to Sri Lanka for Port Operation, the port failed and China simply loses the money, they can't get anything in return. Nor can they dictate the term with Sri Lanka government.

Did China have influence on Russia and Arab counties? Russia does not work the way the Chinese does, or wanted. They are group together because of a common enemy, which is the US, and time and again, China and Russia themselves have dynamic relationship, not one was under the influence of the other. There may be cooperation, but no influence.

And which Arab country actually under Chinese Influence? Iraq? Saudi Arabia? Jordan? Syria? UAE? Qatar? Oman? Libya? Lebanon?

I can see almost all of them have either US bases or Us troop on those country, but no Chinese bases or Chinese Troop on those country, Chinese does not dictate the term with these country, US, on the other hand, successfully influence at lease some (Namely Jordan, UAE, Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia)

 

[Khanate]

Trump,s isolationist tendencies will help China in the long run

This.

China is doing what it needs to do.

Meanwhile, US is MIA.

TPP is dead. NAFTA is next. Protectionism is king.

While, President Trump is going on an interfaith tour. WTF?!

 

[beijingwalker]

The term "Financially Dependent" does not actually exist.

Look at the real world, we all depending on the bank one way or another, you may have a mortgage, a repayment for your car, credit card debt, personal or commercial loan. If we don't pay back the bank, they screw us with taking our home, cars, business or whatever, but did the bank ever dictate how we live?

Financial assistance is tangible, you either loan to someone who have secure asset which can guarantee the repayment for the debt, or you go insecure, and lose it all if they failed to pay, as a bank, they cannot ask you to go here and there just because you owe them money, the same thing is with country-country relationship.

China investment may have allow the Chinese to dictate the term for their development, the problem is, what if that country cannot pay up? Nothing is actually going to happen, unless China invade those country that cannot repay their investment, you do not have anything tangible that would allow China to gain any form of advantage, because you loan me money for the some infrastructure and I owe you money, I won't actually cede my territories to you.

In reality, foreign investment is actually a bad idea if your goal is to dominate a country, you may operate on a moral system where people have some say about the money or resource I lend to other, but in reality, you invest or lend me something, I may be grateful to you, but then I will just take your asset and go do whatever the heck I want with it. Will I listen to you if you lend me money? Nope.

Take a recent news as an example. China loan the money to Sri Lanka for Port Operation, the port failed and China simply loses the money, they can't get anything in return. Nor can they dictate the term with Sri Lanka government.

Did China have influence on Russia and Arab counties? Russia does not work the way the Chinese does, or wanted. They are group together because of a common enemy, which is the US, and time and again, China and Russia themselves have dynamic relationship, not one was under the influence of the other. There may be cooperation, but no influence.

And which Arab country actually under Chinese Influence? Iraq? Saudi Arabia? Jordan? Syria? UAE? Qatar? Oman? Libya? Lebanon?

I can see almost all of them have either US bases or Us troop on those country, but no Chinese bases or Chinese Troop on those country, Chinese does not dictate the term with these country, US, on the other hand, successfully influence at lease some (Namely Jordan, UAE, Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia)

It's an Australian source, China never claims to dominate the world but the west is crying for that almost everyday.

 

[NakedLunch]

Nothing lasts forever and history moves in cycles. These things are inevitable.

China is far from overtaking US as a global leader. China is only good at dumping junkz and stealing land of others.

With two American flags you really shouldnt be talking about 'stealing land'. . But then again, you maybe one of those 'Indian Americans' not 'American Indians.' LOL!

 

[jhungary]

It's an Australian source, China never claims to dominate the world but the west is crying for that almost everyday.

So??

Many people write a lot of thing, I can write about something, you can write about something, whoever wrote whatever mean nothing. So someone write this, does that mean the rest of us care?

The problem is, word only have power when you relay it otherwise it would have been forgotten if nobody cares, then I would wonder what is your purpose to quote these type of article here??

 

[T-123456]

The term "Financially Dependent" does not actually exist.

Look at the real world, we all depending on the bank one way or another, you may have a mortgage, a repayment for your car, credit card debt, personal or commercial loan. If we don't pay back the bank, they screw us with taking our home, cars, business or whatever, but did the bank ever dictate how we live?

Financial assistance is tangible, you either loan to someone who have secure asset which can guarantee the repayment for the debt, or you go insecure, and lose it all if they failed to pay, as a bank, they cannot ask you to go here and there just because you owe them money, the same thing is with country-country relationship.

China investment may have allow the Chinese to dictate the term for their development, the problem is, what if that country cannot pay up? Nothing is actually going to happen, unless China invade those country that cannot repay their investment, you do not have anything tangible that would allow China to gain any form of advantage, because you loan me money for the some infrastructure and I owe you money, I won't actually cede my territories to you.

In reality, foreign investment is actually a bad idea if your goal is to dominate a country, you may operate on a moral system where people have some say about the money or resource I lend to other, but in reality, you invest or lend me something, I may be grateful to you, but then I will just take your asset and go do whatever the heck I want with it. Will I listen to you if you lend me money? Nope.

Take a recent news as an example. China loan the money to Sri Lanka for Port Operation, the port failed and China simply loses the money, they can't get anything in return. Nor can they dictate the term with Sri Lanka government.

Did China have influence on Russia and Arab counties? Russia does not work the way the Chinese does, or wanted. They are group together because of a common enemy, which is the US, and time and again, China and Russia themselves have dynamic relationship, not one was under the influence of the other. There may be cooperation, but no influence.

And which Arab country actually under Chinese Influence? Iraq? Saudi Arabia? Jordan? Syria? UAE? Qatar? Oman? Libya? Lebanon?

I can see almost all of them have either US bases or Us troop on those country, but no Chinese bases or Chinese Troop on those country, Chinese does not dictate the term with these country, US, on the other hand, successfully influence at lease some (Namely Jordan, UAE, Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia)

I see many countries turning away from the US,the US used to say ''jump'' and they all asked ''how high'',that is changing rapidly because of US's leadership,foreign policies,lies and whatnot.
You can say think whatever you want but many ''allies''(even western allies) dont trust them anymore and are turning away and only because of the lack of trust.
Take a look at my country,the US is working with our enemies against us,''they are the only force that can defeat ISIS''',they say about the terror organisation YPG/PYD,what a load of crap.
What would happen if we would support the Taliban against ISIS in Afghanistan?
I want to see what will happen when the US's hegemony when the SCO becomes a real adversary with more countries joining from other regions like Europe,Africa,ME,maybe even a NATO country.
You cant say that im in anyway a China supporter so,no need to go there.
The truth is that the US cannot be trusted by my country anymore and although i cant stand that idiot Erdogan,i would mind leaving NATO and joining the SCO only because of the US's lies and betrayel.

 

[jhungary]

I see many countries turning away from the US,the US used to say ''jump'' and they all asked ''how high'',that is changing rapidly because of US's leadership,foreign policies,lies and whatnot.
You can say think whatever you want but many ''allies''(even western allies) dont trust them anymore and are turning away and only because of the lack of trust.
Take a look at my country,the US is working with our enemies against us,''they are the only force that can defeat ISIS''',they say about the terror organisation YPG/PYD,what a load of crap.
What would happen if we would support the Taliban against ISIS in Afghanistan?
I want to see what will happen when the US's hegemony when the SCO becomes a real adversary with more countries joining from other regions like Europe,Africa,ME,maybe even a NATO country.
You cant say that im in anyway a China supporter so,no need to go there.
The truth is that the US cannot be trusted by my country anymore and although i cant stand that idiot Erdogan,i would mind leaving NATO and joining the SCO only because of the US's lies and betrayel.

There are just two thing wrong with your thesis

1.) US cannot be trusted, how do you know China can be?? The problem is that, a country foreign policy, no matter how pleasing, cannot please everybody, in the end, if there present a problem where China have to choose between Turkey and China, what do you think they will choose?

No country in this world can ever, EVER be trusted, that's political 101, you bend together for a common goal, when that goal is gone, the deal is off. Changing from one alliance to another (NATO to SCO) changes nothing for you. For Turkey, it's not your game, it's always going to be Russia/US or China/US game. Turkey is a pawn for a bigger picture.

2.) I don't really care what you support and what you think. That's none of my business. The question you should ask is, should you be the one that think about yourself, instead of joining any one of the alliance? Joining NATO or SCO or CPEC, you are merely being a pawn for someone. Wish not some other country grow weaker with envy, wish yourself growth stronger is always the way to go.

As for your other issue, LOL, you are free to think what you think, just remember that, the world does not stop because of what you think, and that is the more important part of national interest.

 

[Brickwall]

Has the mantle of global leadership passed from the US to China?
MAY 16 2017 - 12:15AM



http://www.smh.com.au/comment/has-t...sed-from-the-us-to-china-20170515-gw562l.html

Normally I would disagree, but since arrival of Tump, USA is shooting itself in foots, its closing its dorr and making it increasingly difficult to identify its as global leader.

Maybe not very soon, but if Trump policies continues next few years, no doubt Chinese will be in driving seat.

 

[T-123456]

1.) US cannot be trusted, how do you know China can be?? The problem is that, a country foreign policy, no matter how pleasing, cannot please everybody, in the end, if there present a problem where China have to choose between Turkey and China, what do you think they will choose?

Well,its the same as we did for 70 years with the US,we trusted them until now,the same can happen with China,so why not?
What kind of statement is that,''cannot please everybody'',are you ok?
Who to please,your 70 years ally or some rag tag terrorist group of a couple of years?
Really?
This choice has nothing to do with US national security (10.000 miles away) but with my countries national security.
Really man,coming from you,very strange,is it that hard to admit wrongs?
Tells alot about you as a person,doesnt it?

No country in this world can ever, EVER be trusted, that's political 101, you bend together for a common goal, when that goal is gone, the deal is off

Thats just a bs statement,if you fight together,you must trust and be trusted.

Changing from one alliance to another (NATO to SCO) changes nothing for you. For Turkey, it's not your game, it's always going to be Russia/US or China/US game. Turkey is a pawn for a bigger picture.

World changes every day and has changed for centuries,remember the Greeks,Persians,Romans,Ottomans,English etc,you never know whats going to happen tomorrow.
You sitting on a high horse or something that you belittle my country?

2.) I don't really care what you support and what you think. That's none of my business. The question you should ask is, should you be the one that think about yourself, instead of joining any one of the alliance? Joining NATO or SCO or CPEC, you are merely being a pawn for someone. Wish not some other country grow weaker with envy, wish yourself growth stronger is always the way to go.

My country was never a pawn for no-one,we did what was best in our interests,we were weak and had to become strong again,it was a win win for all involved and the most important thing was that there was the trust.
Why should i wish for a country to be weaker when i only care about my country being stronger?
Wrong person to try it,i dont care what happens to the US,we dont trust the US anymore so,we will see what our options are.

As for your other issue, LOL, you are free to think what you think, just remember that, the world does not stop because of what you think, and that is the more important part of national interest.

The only thing i care about is national interest,its just a minor disappointment that one cant trust its ally.
The good thing out of all of this is that we have gained alot of experience in defence R&D,know-how,production etc.

 

[jhungary]

Well,its the same as we did for 70 years with the US,we trusted them until now,the same can happen with China,so why not?
What kind of statement is that,''cannot please everybody'',are you ok?
Who to please,you 70 years ally or some rag tag terrorist group of a couple of years?
Really?
This choice has nothing to do with US national security10.000 miles away) but with my countries national security.
Really man,coming from you,very strange,is it that hard to admit wrongs?
Tells alot about you as a person,doesnt it?

Thats just a bs statement,if you fight together,you must trust and be trusted.

World changes every day and has changed for centuries,remember the Greeks,Persians,Romans,Ottomans,English etc,you never know whats going to happen tomorrow.
You sitting on a high horse or something that you belittle my country?

My country was never a pawn for no-one,we did what was best in our interests,we were weak and had to become strong again,it was a win win for all involved and the most important thing was that there was the trust.
Why should i wish for a country to be weaker when i only care about my country being stronger?
Wrong person to try it,i dont care what happens to the US,we dont trust the US anymore so,we will see what our options are.

The only thing i care about is national interest,its just a minor disappointment that one cant trust its ally.
The good thing out of all of this is that we have gained alot of experience in defence R&D,know-how,production etc.

You mad? What you said does not make sense.

US will always care about its national interest, so does China, so does Russia, and so does Turkey.

What US think is their "National Interest" is not defined by Turkey, Russia or China, you can either join, compete or stay outside the "National Interest" war.

And yes, your country is a PAWN in almost all of recent history, in WWI, turkey is a pawn for Germany to stop THe allies using the Med to attack the German from the South, do tell me why and for what national interest did Turkey have in that war?

In WW2, once again, tell me the meaning of Turkey joining the war in it's dying moment??

What is the stake of Turkey in Korean War?

Allies comes and goes, Turkey for example, was allies to Germany in 1914, but Allies to US in 1945. So can I use what you are saying on Turkish-Germany relationship?

You can think Turkey is as independent as US, but the truth is, well, we can all see in reality. It's has always been 2 horse race, either US-Russia or US- China, Turkey can choose either side or neither, but either way, the world does not stop spinning from whatever Turkey choose. You have to be naïve to think otherwise.

 

[T-123456]

And yes, your country is a PAWN in almost all of recent history, in WWI, turkey is a pawn for Germany to stop THe allies using the Med to attack the German from the South, do tell me why and for what national interest did Turkey have in that war?

My country didnt enter the war in WWI,it was the Ottoman Empire,my country didnt exist then.

In WW2, once again, tell me the meaning of Turkey joining the war in it's dying moment??

Many promises were made to my country and since the Nazis had already lost,the choice was abvious and only a formality.

What is the stake of Turkey in Korean War?

As a member of NATO,an organisation we trusted and who helped us,we felt that it was obligatory in a sense and of course to ''help'' the Korean people.

Allies comes and goes, Turkey for example, was allies to Germany in 1914, but Allies to US in 1945. So can I use what you are saying on Turkish-Germany relationship?

Again,there was no Turkey in 1914.
No you cant,different Germanies,not comparable.

You can think Turkey is as independent as US, but the truth is, well, we can all see in reality. It's has always been 2 horse race, either US-Russia or US- China, Turkey can choose either side or neither, but either way, the world does not stop spinning from whatever Turkey choose. You have to be naïve to think otherwise.

Never claimed to be a world power,we are a reginal power to be reckoned with,nothing goes without us in our neighbourhood and thats why the US,the worlds ''sole'' power is hesitant,careful with and how to do things.
My countries leader is an idiot,he should have kicked our NATO ''allies'' out of our bases.

You mad? What you said does not make sense.

Not mad but a realist.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

America going into isolation under Trump may not effect in short term on America relevance to geopolitics but it will surly put its minions in tail spin who have been firing their guns all along using uncle sam shoulder. India is one such glaring example.

 

[jhungary]

My country didnt enter the war in WWI,it was the Ottoman Empire,my country didnt exist then.

Many promises were made to my country and since the Nazis had already lost,the choice was abvious and only a formality.

As a member of NATO,an organisation we trusted and who helped us,we felt that it was obligatory in a sense and of course to ''help'' the Korean people.

Again,there was no Turkey in 1914.
No you cant,different Germanies,not comparable.

Never claimed to be a world power,we are a reginal power to be reckoned with,nothing goes without us in our neighbourhood and thats why the US,the worlds ''sole'' power is hesitant,careful with and how to do things.
My countries leader is an idiot,he should have kicked our NATO ''allies'' out of our bases.

Not mad but a realist.

Well, saying Ottoman Empire is not Turkey is like saying since the United Kingdom is not the British Empire since the UK was only formed in 1921 after Ireland Independence, all the British Colonial atrocity under British Empire prior to that point does not count.

Anyway, I don't have anymore to say to you......So, please do go ahead

 

[beijingwalker]

Well, saying Ottoman Empire is not Turkey is like saying since the United Kingdom is not the British Empire since the UK was only formed in 1921 after Ireland Independence, all the British Colonial atrocity under British Empire prior to that point does not count.

Anyway, I don't have anymore to say to you......So, please do go ahead

When every one speaks against you, you should start to think that maybe there is some truth in what they believe.