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Haqqani video shows Training Camp

lol i can see in the sky written pakistan territory and can u see on the mountain written pakistani territory?and can u see the trainers wearing pakistani army uniform?can u see them holding pakistani national id cards?if u cant u need cia or obamas goggles
 
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We don't have enough information/data to go against them.
Pakistan Army has got very limited presence in FATA and the Haqqanis are based near the border. On both sides.
What we don't understand is, why doesn't the ISAF and NATO target the Haqqanis present on their side.

These cowards cannot fight a war against us and they know it. All they can do is engage into Gorilla attacks, where we face casualties. If anyone here is reading the Pakistani Forces against militants thread, you can witness how we are trying to target as many as feasible. Another thread says:

More than 10,600 bombs have been dropped, and 4,600 targets destroyed (A ratio of 1:2), he said. PAF has flown more than 500 F-16 sorties with the DB-110 pod, and 650 with the Star Safire EO/IR sensor.

Just look on the number of bombs dropped and the targets destroyed. Even with two bombs per target, some 1400 do not get the right spot. Why? Same reason of incomplete intelligence. Same thread says:

The need for good airborne reconnaissance was paramount, said Air Chief Marshall Rao Qamar Suleiman. When the Pakistan Army launched large-scale operations in the remote Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) in August 2008, the PAF had to rely on Google Earth imagery when planning for air support missions.

Without help from Google Maps this wasn't possible because the camps/bunkers are well camouflaged in some area.
They even got JDAMs dropped by our Vipers on their heads after confirmed presence of militants. A JDAM kit costs $20,000.
And an average JDAM strike kills 6-7 Militants. We are paying what ever we can, eliminating terror at every cost. Our inventory is decreasing. We are facing problem in fuel, finance, weaponry and intelligence. But we are trying our best. Only in November, Pakistani Forces have killed over 110 Militants.

Here is what Webmaster has to say. And he has got a valid point.

Pakistan says it has struck an al-Qaida-linked training camp in northwest.
Like it has been said before. Pakistani government isn't aware of any terrorist training camp in Pakistan, once intelligence services find out. They get bombed.

The Haqqani Network, which operates in both Afghanistan and Pakistan, is linked to both al Qaeda and the Pakistani military and Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate. The Haqqani Network supports and shelters a constellation of regional and international terror group groups in North Waziristan, and fights NATO and Afghan forces across the border.
The claim here is totally Biased and absurd. Do you know how many our of soldiers/officers gave their life in this war? Those include Intelligence Officers of the ISI. This is what the ISPR says:
Price paid in fight against terrorism by Army / FC since 2001 till to date, Shaheed (martyr)- 3085 and Wounded - 9669.
Near 3000 dead and 10,000 wounded including getting paralyzed and handicapped. And we are getting blamed for supporting terror. Seems like the cost of their own war has been heavy on them and they are losing their mind, but those having average common sense and believing them is even more to be blamed.


It is totally baseless and immature to say we are not doing anything against Haqqanis.
We have the will and man power. We have the capabilities and experience. What we dont have is the intelligence which leaves the circle incomplete.
 
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PA does not maintain a presence in NWA.
Secondly, there is no way of proving that this is in fact NWA as the Haqqanis enjoy sanctuaries in bordering Afghan provinces as well.

but the US drone do keep a presence
if they stop attacking the civilains then there is a chance that they will find these trainee's if indeed these chaps are in Pakistani tribal areas

but if this video is made in Afghanistan in the places that are under Taliban control then we realy cant blame NATO we got ISI to blame.

so here is the deal

if the video is based on the training in Pakistani tribal areas then blame the Pakistan army
if the video is based on the training in Afghanistan then blame the ISI

job done.
 
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but if this video is made in Afghanistan in the places that are under Taliban control then we realy cant blame NATO we got ISI to blame.

BrrO!!..how so? If its made on the other side of the border then its failure of coalition forces because its their area / country

so here is the deal

if the video is based on the training in Pakistani tribal areas then blame the Pakistan army
if the video is based on the training in Afghanistan then blame the ISI

Whats the difference? Thats not two choices
 
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Worth Reading...Talk about Terrorist Camps Inside US.
George Monbiot in the Guardian: The US has been training terrorists at a camp in Georgia for years - and it's still at it
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Backyard Terrorism: The US has been training terrorists at a camp in Georgia for years - and it's still at it
By George Monbiot, The Guardian, 30 October 2001


"If any government sponsors the outlaws and killers of innocents," George Bush announced on the day he began bombing Afghanistan, "they have become outlaws and murderers themselves. And they will take that lonely path at their own peril." I'm glad he said "any government", as there's one which, though it has yet to be identified as a sponsor of terrorism, requires his urgent attention.
For the past 55 years it has been running a terrorist training camp, whose victims massively outnumber the people killed by the attack on New York, the embassy bombings and the other atrocities laid, rightly or wrongly, at al-Qaida's door. The camp is called the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, or Whisc. It is based in Fort Benning, Georgia, and it is funded by Mr Bush's government.

Until January this year, Whisc was called the "School of the Americas", or SOA. Since 1946, SOA has trained more than 60,000 Latin American soldiers and policemen. Among its graduates are many of the continent's most notorious torturers, mass murderers, dictators and state terrorists. As hundreds of pages of documentation compiled by the pressure group SOA Watch show, Latin America has been ripped apart by its alumni.

In June this year, Colonel Byron Lima Estrada, once a student at the school, was convicted in Guatemala City of murdering Bishop Juan Gerardi in 1998. Gerardi was killed because he had helped to write a report on the atrocities committed by Guatemala's D-2, the military intelligence agency run by Lima Estrada with the help of two other SOA graduates. D-2 coordinated the "anti-insurgency" campaign which obliterated 448 Mayan Indian villages, and murdered tens of thousands of their people. Forty per cent of the cabinet ministers who served the genocidal regimes of Lucas Garcia, Rios Montt and Mejia Victores studied at the School of the Americas.

In 1993, the United Nations truth commission on El Salvador named the army officers who had committed the worst atrocities of the civil war. Two-thirds of them had been trained at the School of the Americas. Among them were Roberto D'Aubuisson, the leader of El Salvador's death squads; the men who killed Archbishop Oscar Romero; and 19 of the 26 soldiers who murdered the Jesuit priests in 1989. In Chile, the school's graduates ran both Augusto Pinochet's secret police and his three principal concentration camps. One of them helped to murder Orlando Letelier and Ronni Moffit in Washington DC in 1976.

Argentina's dictators Roberto Viola and Leopoldo Galtieri, Panama's Manuel Noriega and Omar Torrijos, Peru's Juan Velasco Alvarado and Ecuador's Guillermo Rodriguez all benefited from the school's instruction. So did the leader of the Grupo Colina death squad in Fujimori's Peru; four of the five officers who ran the infamous Battalion 3-16 in Honduras (which controlled the death squads there in the 1980s) and the commander responsible for the 1994 Ocosingo massacre in Mexico.

All this, the school's defenders insist, is ancient history. But SOA graduates are also involved in the dirty war now being waged, with US support, in Colombia. In 1999 the US State Department's report on human rights named two SOA graduates as the murderers of the peace commissioner, Alex Lopera. Last year, Human Rights Watch revealed that seven former pupils are running paramilitary groups there and have commissioned kidnappings, disappearances, murders and massacres. In February this year an SOA graduate in Colombia was convicted of complicity in the torture and killing of 30 peasants by paramilitaries. The school is now drawing more of its students from Colombia than from any other country.

The FBI defines terrorism as "violent acts... intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a government, or affect the conduct of a government", which is a precise description of the activities of SOA's graduates. But how can we be sure that their alma mater has had any part in this? Well, in 1996, the US government was forced to release seven of the school's training manuals. Among other top tips for terrorists, they recommended blackmail, torture, execution and the arrest of witnesses' relatives.

Last year, partly as a result of the campaign run by SOA Watch, several US congressmen tried to shut the school down. They were defeated by 10 votes. Instead, the House of Representatives voted to close it and then immediately reopen it under a different name. So, just as Windscale turned into Sellafield in the hope of parrying public memory, the School of the Americas washed its hands of the past by renaming itself Whisc. As the school's Colonel Mark Morgan informed the Department of Defense just before the vote in Congress: "Some of your bosses have told us that they can't support anything with the name 'School of the Americas' on it. Our proposal addresses this concern. It changes the name." Paul Coverdell, the Georgia senator who had fought to save the school, told the papers that the changes were "basically cosmetic".

But visit Whisc's website and you'll see that the School of the Americas has been all but excised from the record. Even the page marked "History" fails to mention it. Whisc's courses, it tells us, "cover a broad spectrum of relevant areas, such as operational planning for peace operations; disaster relief; civil-military operations; tactical planning and execution of counter drug operations".

Several pages describe its human rights initiatives. But, though they account for almost the entire training programme, combat and commando techniques, counter-insurgency and interrogation aren't mentioned. Nor is the fact that Whisc's "peace" and "human rights" options were also offered by SOA in the hope of appeasing Congress and preserving its budget: but hardly any of the students chose to take them.

We can't expect this terrorist training camp to reform itself: after all, it refuses even to acknowledge that it has a past, let alone to learn from it. So, given that the evidence linking the school to continuing atrocities in Latin America is rather stronger than the evidence linking the al-Qaida training camps to the attack on New York, what should we do about the "evil-doers" in Fort Benning, Georgia?

Well, we could urge our governments to apply full diplomatic pressure, and to seek the extradition of the school's commanders for trial on charges of complicity in crimes against humanity. Alternatively, we could demand that our governments attack the United States, bombing its military installations, cities and airports in the hope of overthrowing its unelected government and replacing it with a new administration overseen by the UN. In case this proposal proves unpopular with the American people, we could win their hearts and minds by dropping naan bread and dried curry in plastic bags stamped with the Afghan flag.

You object that this prescription is ridiculous, and I agree. But try as I might, I cannot see the moral difference between this course of action and the war now being waged in Afghanistan.
 
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believe me or not guys look like AFGHAN NATIONAL ARMY .video need to be analyze by experts
 
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believe me or not guys look like AFGHAN NATIONAL ARMY .video need to be analyze by experts

Clearly it is afghan army, check all the afghan army videos on youtube you will find the ditto copy similarities, Talibans are not that idiots to waste time on School PT Classes. lol some of them are wearing sneakers.

 
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Clearly it is afghan army, check all the afghan army videos on youtube you will find the ditto copy similarities, Talibans are not that idiots to waste time on School PT Classes. lol some of them are wearing sneakers.
Realli they looks like doing PT class....Oh its realli shame on Afghan govt to send their PT class students videos as terrorists.At first I was thinking they might be their scout training camp video.....:smokin:
 
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Clearly it is afghan army, check all the afghan army videos on youtube you will find the ditto copy similarities, Talibans are not that idiots to waste time on School PT Classes. lol some of them are wearing sneakers.


Taliban has been known to wear sneakers as well. And you don't see the Afghan wearing balaclavas like the Taliban do.
 
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Pakistan has more to lose than gain by supporting the Haqqanis , the sooner they realise the better its for all stakeholders ! Pakistan should also do away with the good taliban, bad taliban concepts ..
 
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Taliban has been known to wear sneakers as well. And you don't see the Afghan wearing balaclavas like the Taliban do.

afghan soldiers got the feewares from NATO otherwise they were mostly wearing Joggers-sneakers.
afghan AQ have been wearing balaclavas. Bottomline the video proves nothing.
 
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If true, it is even more shameful that the US war machine cannot defeat these jokers.

One thing it does prove that no one from PakMil is training these guys. Our police gets better training than this.

And the marching, what the hell is that? Looks like a modified and badly executed Russian style to me.
 
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