Hamza Abbassi backtracks from statement in support of Ahmadis after causing uproar

[My-Analogous]

There is some laws and courts on the sky who damn care what's your laws are? You guys just trying to be a god and challenging His Superiority. Now if I recite Kalima Shahada I'm a Muslim you can't read minds can't see hearts and here you interfering in the laws made by Him.

You are right even raees-ul munafiqeen recite kalma and we don't know about it and it was Prophet Mohamed (P.B.U.H) declare him Munafiq and it is same Prophet Mohamed (P.B.U.H) who want to be a Muslim,one HAS to accept Prophet Muhammad SW as the last and final messenger of Allah. Can Qadiyani do that? if yes then we have no objection to declare them Muslims

It's a start, Europe took centuries to finally get rid of the Church's role in politics. It will take a lot of time and probably destruction until Pakistanis get rid of the current rot.

Remove Islam from Pakistan and Pakistan will collapse. I know you will not agree with me but this is very well know fact.

 

[terry5]

You are right even raees-ul munafiqeen recite kalma and we don't know about it and it was Prophet Mohamed (P.B.U.H) declare him Munafiq and it is same Prophet Mohamed (P.B.U.H) who want to be a Muslim,one HAS to accept Prophet Muhammad SW as the last and final messenger of Allah. Can Qadiyani do that? if yes then we have no objection to declare them Muslims



Remove Islam from Pakistan and Pakistan will collapse. I know you will not agree with me but this is very well know fact.

Be Carefull This is a Qadiani forum and you'll be banned for stating the above
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[My-Analogous]

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Thank you for your concerned but i am a man who say right is right and wrong is wrong.

 

[terry5]

Thank you for your concerned but i am a man who say right is right and wrong is wrong.

yes brother Respect to you .

Be carefull

 

[My-Analogous]

Yahan pemra so gya tha

Bashing Qadyani was not correct until and unless they have a prove that they are harming Pakistan otherwise they are Pakistani as we are. Rest all a correct statement and our president should not comments on bank interest and he should think twice before open his mouth

 

[Jungibaaz]

It seems Pakistanis have a fundamental lack of understanding between what the role of the state ought to be and how that differs from what any individual believes or a community believes.

You believe Ahmadis aren't Muslims? Fine, no objections from me.
If you believe that is the role of the state to dictate what category Ahmadis fall under and implications on their rights thus?
That's wrong, border-line tyrannical.

In any decent nation state, all should have equal rights, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Atheist and so on. The state should be blind to this personal aspect of people's lives.

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From what I know, not a single member of management is Ahmadi. If we do have one, then I've no issue with them.
But thanks for this assertion, any more equally foolish assertions, feel free to post them.

 

[Mysticbuddy]

It seems Pakistanis have a fundamental lack of understanding between what the role of the state ought to be and how that differs from what any individual believes or a community believes.

You believe Ahmadis aren't Muslims? Fine, no objections from me.
If you believe that is the role of the state to dictate what category Ahmadis fall under and implications on their rights thus?
That's wrong, border-line tyrannical.

In any decent nation state, all should have equal rights, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Atheist and so on. The state should be blind to this personal aspect of people's lives.



From what I know, not a single member of management is Ahmadi. If we do have one, then I've no issue with them.
But thanks for this assertion, any more equally foolish assertions, feel free to post them.

As much as I agree with your remarks. I can't stop thinking about the existence of Pakistan as the same basis. Would you say that your founding fathers were wrong? Sorry if I put you in a position.

 

[Maj.Osmani]

It seems Pakistanis have a fundamental lack of understanding between what the role of the state ought to be and how that differs from what any individual believes or a community believes.

You believe Ahmadis aren't Muslims? Fine, no objections from me.
If you believe that is the role of the state to dictate what category Ahmadis fall under and implications on their rights thus?
That's wrong, border-line tyrannical.

In any decent nation state, all should have equal rights, Muslim, Hindu, Christian, Atheist and so on. The state should be blind to this personal aspect of people's lives.



From what I know, not a single member of management is Ahmadi. If we do have one, then I've no issue with them.
But thanks for this assertion, any more equally foolish assertions, feel free to post them.

Sir its not states job to decide who is Muslim and who is not but when matters become worse and they needed to amend constitution which states Islamic Republic Of Pakistan then state have to announce or declare that as per state's constitution these people are not Muslim to end confusion among the masses.

 

[Mysticbuddy]

Sir its not states job to decide who is Muslim and who is not but when matters become worse and they needed to amend constitution which states Islamic Republic Of Pakistan then state have to announce or declare that as per state's constitution these people are not Muslim to end confusion among the masses.

With all due respect, the words Islamic and republic don't get together.

 

[Jungibaaz]

As much as I agree with your remarks. I can't stop thinking about the existence of Pakistan as the same basis. Would you say that your founding fathers were wrong? Sorry if I put you in a position.

I don't believe Pakistan is suited to or ready for a secular state along the lines of the West. At least, it is not a viable option right now. Nor do I advocate Pakistanis abandoning the Islamic republic or founding principles.

None of the objections I have with the thread subject contradict with those ideas.

Pakistanis need to decide what fits them, gradually and incrementally.

Sir its not states job to decide who is Muslim and who is not but when matters become worse and they needed to amend constitution which states Islamic Republic Of Pakistan then state have to announce or declare that as per state's constitution these people are not Muslim to end confusion among the masses.

Brother, there is no need for the state to end confusion among the masses, that's not its job.
The state is dictated to by the masses in any correct form of governance, if the state dictates to the masses, that is tyranny.

 

[Maj.Osmani]

I don't believe Pakistan is suited to or ready for a secular state along the lines of the West. At least, it is not a viable option right now. Nor do I advocate Pakistanis abandoning the Islamic republic or founding principles.

None of the objections I have with the thread subject contradict with those ideas.

Pakistanis need to decide what fits them, gradually and incrementally.



Brother, there is no need for the state to end confusion among the masses, that's not its job.
The state is dictated to by the masses in any correct form of governance, if the state dictates to the masses, that is tyranny.

We have to accept that and it is very needed decision made by then Govt which save large number of lives from riots.

 

[Spring Onion]

At the time when this law was being passed, Ahmadiyya fourth Khalifa asked bhutto:
- Why are you adding this condition that an Ahmadi cant be president?
- Bhutto replied: Why are you asking, do you want to be a president of Pakistan.
- At this Huzoor replied: No, and as a matter of fact no ahmadi is. We are a religious organization and we have no interest in becoming president but by doing this you are "Opening a hole for Mullah to enter the system and capture it like an octopus from which you might never be able to liberate yourself"

So go ahead guys, Hamza Abbasi or xyz abbasi.....Ahmadis dont give a dime about so called "ummah concensus" or constitutional amendment against them. Its a God's jamat and he alone is enough for us, our progress is a proof of it and right now: Pakistan is just another country where we happen to have our branch besides over 200+ other countries.

One other thing, Ahmadiyyat's future is not attached a bit to the repealing of this law from Pakistan's constitution.If we ever wish that these laws are repealed its only because that might give some breathing space to the suffocated society of Pakistan. So that the society might come out of the hole they are living in.

in other words you are using Pakistani law as an excuse to extract as much funding and patronage from west and the countries you are residing for your agenda .

 

[terry5]

From what I know, not a single member of management is Ahmadi. If we do have one, then I've no issue with them.
But thanks for this assertion, any more equally foolish assertions, feel free to post them.

Exactly

 

[Spring Onion]

I don't understand, why people get so much offensive when someone wants to talk about their basic rights. They are Non-Muslims but that does not mean me or anyone else got the right to discriminate them.

Islam is very strict towards minority rights. Its us who use this law for personal benefits against them. So, let them live their life. when our law declared them as Non-Muslims then there is no need of discrimination or debate.

The problem here is that Ahmedis are not willing to accept that they are minority hence they say they do not need minority rights. The problem here is that AHmedis want us Muslims to go against the finality of prophethood of our Last Prophet of Islam Muhammad (PBUH).

So crux of the debate is that accepting Ghulam Ahmed mirza means we the Muslims have to go against our beloved Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) which is not at all going to happen.

And do you know that Ahmedis call everyone kafir who does not accept Ghulam mirza.


and oh BTW Khatm-e-Nabuwat koi debatable topic ha hee nahi so why should we even debate it in the first place?

Hamza Abbassi should save himself from the wrath of the Mullahs. I pray that he remains safe from all the agents of Shaitan currently roaming unhindered in Pakistan but I advise him to not make too much noise. Mullahs and their bumchums have a hard time tolerating opinions different to their own.

Ahmadis will endure..

This is NOT OPINION. You Ahmedia literally are insulting our Last Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (PBUH). So please do not try to hide behind such excuse of difference of opinion. The difference of opinion would be if you disagree with our beliefs but you are trying to amend words of Quran and asking for accepting your Ghulam Ahmed mirza

 

[Jackdaws]

It never ceases to amaze how usually rational sounding members of the forum state - "Of course the Ahmedis are non-Muslims and thus they can be declared so by the state." There is a difference between your personal beliefs to which you are entitled and the state which must not discriminate so as to actually choose the religious subscription of any of its citizens. I do realize that Ahmedis in India were declared Muslim by the Kerala High Court in 1970 - that has not stopped the All India Muslim Law Board from considering them heretics but a state definitely can't do that. That's just absurd. So Indian Ahmedis can perform Haj but Pakistani Ahmedis can't?