Hameed Gul on Wagah blast.

[Sugarcane]

A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it.

Yes you are right we have to solve this problem, but at the same time come up with along lasting solution. And thats not going to happen unless we are all on a same page.

Well today majority of Pakistanis are already at same page about terrorism (nut case minority doesn't matter and you can't convince them either) - So, now the energies should be spent on finding long lasting solution not fixing blames.

 

[Secur]

Well today majority of Pakistanis are already at same page about terrorism (nut case minority doesn't matter and you can't convince them either) - So, now the energies should be spent on finding long lasting solution not fixing blames.

Trying to convince those people, will be like administering a medicine to the dead. Trying to talk reason with people, who have stopped listening to it, is futile.

 

[Zarvan]

Yes indeed, all seculars/liberals.

Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan
Harkat-ul Jihad Islami
Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan
Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi
Jaish-e-Mohammed
Lashkar-e-Jhangvi
Tehrik-e-Jehad-e-Islami
Harkat-ul-Ansar

Now compare the causalities caused by your beloved Jihadi network with any other instance of terrorism throughout the history of Pakistan or the ones in wars with India, tell me if you still have the audacity to blame others for your own wrongdoings. See, if you can still blame the irreligious people for your troubles.

Yes yes it was seculars and communists who started militant activities in this country they were and are being funded by west they have been most loyal pets off west

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

whether welcomed by Reagan or bush is of little consequence. they can not attack America they will attack you ! now if you like getting attacked then fine.

It's a lot more complicated than that. You clearly wouldn't understand.

 

[qamar1990]

Just a general anecdotal observation. I find some changes in the Pakistani mindset - typified by #2 on this thread - whether temporary or contrived (Taqiyya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia or just the need of the hour, I am not sure. Also it seems its mostly the moderators. Have other non-Pakistanis noted it too?

The change seems to be a recognition of where Pakistani society may have astrayed/gone wrong/....

you really are a complete moron… taqqiya?? do you even know what that is little fellow?

actually they are your worst nightmares…

The blunt truth, as long as people like Hamid Gul, Zaid Hamid, Hafiz Saeed and the assorted Mullah's hold sway and popular support in Pakistan, India does not need to worry about Pakistan at all.

They are the biggest assets to India than anything else. They will ensure that Pakistani society heads in a single direction. A direction that suits India just fine.

Of course these aren't Taliban but foreign agents, defense mechanism again at play! Hameed Gul is directly responsible for Afghan Jihad which in turn, is responsible for events of present times. The whole chain-reaction of extremism and subsequent terrorism in society and training Jihadis on Pakistanis soil, was started in the 80's by the very same man, who now have the audacity to play blame game and hold third party responsible for their own actions.

so your saying india has no hand in the terrorist activity in pakistan??

@Horus your thoughts??

 

[ito]

Hameed Gul.. isn't it this guy who races towards india to conquer red fort on white horse and on seeing sunny deol runs back

 

[qamar1990]

Why? Because we dont like him? Or because we dont agree with Govt of Pakistan false official version, that USSR was coming to get us? Or because we dont consider Afghan Jihad as beneficial to the country? He has harmed the country, more than any Indian could ever imagine and dare to do. The benefits of his services, to the country, are being reaped by this nation, today, in the form of extremism and endless terrorism in the society. He brought these people, who are waging Jihad in the country now, have a look around you, all these prominent commanders-leaders-footsoldiers have a background from the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. He's the man who helped built the whole Jihadi infrastructure in this country from money to weapons, which the military has to take care of, now. He brought those Uzbeks, Tajiks,Chechens, Arabs and Afghans which you have to fight today- you probably never ever did wonder where they came from and when. He's the one who lied to the nation, fed them propaganda about Reds wanting to invade Pakistan next, in the 80's, even though there was overwhelming evidence to the contrary. He's the lead man for the indoctrination of Pakistanis and the Wahhabi mentality responsible for suicide bombers and terrorists today. And he's the one responsible for guns and drug in the society. You want me to praise him just because Indians wont? Never!

if pakistan did nothing about the soviets in afghanistan what do you think would have happened??

your here fighting your fellow pakistanis when clearly our neighbors have been responsible for funding the terrorists in pakistan.

 

[GreenFoe]

Gul speaks the truth how he and his fellow gernails perceive the reality ,like it or not.

 

[qamar1990]

Of course, thats how the Zia administration convinced the naive Pakistanis, while taking econimic help from them in the eighties!

Ladies and Gentlemen, a big round of applause to the power of propaganda. Big cheers to creation of imaginary threats and enemies to further american interests in the region and for taking U.S. Aid! Under the guise of religion, even absurdly absurd things are more than acceptable to most people.

so what do you think would have happened if pakistan did nothing to soviets??
can you shed some light??

 

[The Huskar]

We will give a fitting reply to hamid gul. We have the means!!!

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Nope.He will just kill old man Hamid Gul by cochlear rupture and Zaid Hamid will term it as Indian 5th gen warfare.
No need to introduce these type of headaches.

Hameed Gul.. isn't it this guy who races towards india to conquer red fort on white horse and on seeing sunny deol runs back

Nope.That unique specimen is called Zaid Hamid.

 

[ito]

Nope.He will just kill old man Hamid Gul by cochlear rupture and Zaid Hamid will term it as Indian 5th gen warfare.
No need to introduce these type of headaches.


Nope.That unique specimen is called Zaid Hamid.

Ok...I often confuse between zaid hamid and hamid gul. anyway both are nuts...:

 

[The Huskar]

Ok...I often confuse between zaid hamid and hamid gul. anyway both are nuts...:

I remember them as Laal Topi and Gaanja.Easy to differentiate.

 

[Black Mamba1]

Stop crying. Afghan Taliban was a legitimate and home grown movement. Gul was dealt the cards and had to play his hand. Why don't you cry about the United States and CIA's role in the whole Afghan debacle? Because you are biased and If you think for one second that the majority of Pakistanis are going to buy your revisionist outlook, then you need to wake up and smell the coffee.

Hamid Gul is more patriotic than all of you secular libtards that are all sipping on that hindu kool-aid.

Are you looking for a century in negative rating ?

Let us bet by when you will get a century

 

[Secur]

if pakistan did nothing about the soviets in afghanistan what do you think would have happened??

Reapproachment, most likely. Limited engagement, without destroying the country as we have done presently, favorably. Contrary to popular belief, the relations with U.S.S.R. weren't so downhill, that they couldn't be mended, from 1980-1985, Pakistan received millions in FDI from the Kremlin, we also signed an economic co-operation agreement in '85. Besides that, Islamabad and Moscow had been co-operating in other fields, for long enough. The Guddu Thermal Power station and Steel mills were constructed by Moscow, during that time. The certain part is that there was no danger, of them coming to the warm waters, the capability and intention, both weren't there.

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your here fighting your fellow pakistanis when clearly our neighbors have been responsible for funding the terrorists in pakistan.

In the TTP and other assorted Jihadi groups case, its clearly not our neighbors or any other country, but the locals. India can be held responsible for a lot of other things, but not this home grown madness. The real problem is when there should be introspection, there is denial and blame shifting.

 

[B+ Dracula]

@Secur ... ! First of all. ..Things that have done cannot be UNDONE
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Its a Will of God ---- Ants take Elephant down......
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Right now ...we're analysing situation in a very Positive Mindset....Bcoz we're IMPREGNABLE to any Challenge
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But in 1979 when USSR invaded Afg, we already have lost war with India and at the same time USSR appraoched in our neighbour country with no reason ...except only to satisfy their EGO .......As we use to hear ...Soviets want access to Warm Waters....which means once they get themselves stabilize in Afghanistan they will encroach us....MOREOVER....soviets have high profile Badges on their profile which surely made them ARROGANT ...after winning WW2

a) engulf Germans 1945
b) Occupied 27 states on its way
c) Strong prevailing Notion of Superiority among soviets like....once RED BEAR approached any LAND ...they wont retreat back
d) Winning Streak since 1917 Balchovik Revolution.....(No single Loss or Retreat) ....Plz consider it bhai...

Instead of acting like Vessel state- we decided to resist Soviet Occupation on our own then later WEST joined us (in 86) and benefited us in following way

a) International Cash Flow
b) Modernization of Weapons & Int. Treaties
c) Strengthening of Military
d) ISI emerged as a Nightmare for our Enemies
e) US overlooked our Atomic Programme ....

Respectfully ! I acknowledge your point of view, we do have Mistakes in our account but those Mistakes are to be analyzed in Post-Withdrawal Scenario when we get our Hands burnt by mismanaging those JIHADI GROUP & losing trust of Northern Alliance by favoring other Group

Moreover, put a cushion for International Conspiracy against us......Right Now ! i've following Questions in my Mind

Question 1: Why America put us in the middle of Desert after fulfilling their GOALS ....???
(Likely-Answer):::: If Amercians are not Loyal to their FATHER/MOTHER.....they throw them in OLD HOUSES.... then how stupid i assumed favouring me????

Question 2: What is the reason behind International Sanctions of 90's .....?? Trust Deficit or Else?? .....In 80's they need us...they joined then kicked us out..........911 they need us...they joined again...? ODD Policy....aceepted by Hilary Clinton it was mistake from our side

Question 3: USA is pouring Trillions in Afghanistan to eliminate militancy ...why they wont feel that Pain in 90s in Afghanistan.....why they wont invest in Schools / Roads / Institution / Estb of Stable Gov
In the end of Amercian Movie "Charlie Wilson War"......Charlie insist Gov Officials to go for invest in Afghanistan....dont leave it alone

Question 4: Jihadi Group served the purpose of America.....without sacrificing one US soldier......they successfuly evaded all necessary costs in the war....like building trust among US supportive Jihadi Groups by helping them out in........Monthly Salary / Pension Plan ....Medical Care ..??? In other words....they left them doing their nasty business of killing each other to earn their livings