Hamas and Hezbollah reestablishing ties

[ResurgentIran]

Are you sure you're 'welcoming' me?

It seems like you're escaping the debate every time I refute your arguments Sammy Jaan.

You are more than welcome to respond to what I wrote above but I don't think you are too familiar with this.

No I have a train to catch, and you are keeping me right now. lol

 

[Falcon29]

No I have a train to catch, and you are keeping me right now. lol

Yalla go.

I will go over this with you later tonight.

I have things to do in half hour.

 

[1000]

Too much text, just go straight to the truth about Hamas, they're Palestinian nationalists using any ideology that will give them support, they've been switching from Shia Iran to ISIS funding Qatar etc.

When Pan Arabism was active they were using Arab nationalism, today Islamism, both Sunni and Shia Islamism.

 

[Falcon29]

Too much text, just go straight to the truth about Hamas, they're Palestinian nationalists using any ideology that will give them support, they've been switching from Shia Iran to ISIS funding Qatar etc.

When Pan Arabism was active they were using Arab nationalism, today Islamism, both Sunni and Shia Islamism.

No there is no too much text, that's how you have an objective debate based on fact and not rhetoric. If you're too stupid to understand that then shut up.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Good news. Now I wish they would also unite and call on their supporters to help counter the degenerate ISIS ideology. And meanwhile they should call for all people of Syria, Lebanon and of course Palestine to UNITE and think as one body - especially regarding Palestine cause. Its a noble and just cause.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Hamas never broke ties with Hezbollah, Hezbollah broke ties with Hamas. And they won't return back to what they were and nothing new happened.

developments in Syria and Jordan's support for FSA (against Assad) obviously would create some political divisions I would imagine

truth is - Hezbollah needs its crucial supply lines via Syria, therefore needs a regime receptive to its needs. The enemies of unity of the people, the enemies of Palestine cause want the Arabs of that region to be politically divided, as well as divided on petty "sectarian" lines

 

[Falcon29]

Good news. Now I wish they would also unite and call on their supporters to help counter the degenerate ISIS ideology. And meanwhile they should call for all people of Syria, Lebanon and of course Palestine to UNITE and think as one body - especially regarding Palestine cause. Its a noble and just cause.

This is not related to ISIS and there is no news yet. Nothing has changed. It's drama created by Iranians and even while they pretend to be optimistic they are bashing Hamas. But I was unbanned in time to refute them.

developments in Syria and Jordan's support for FSA (against Assad) obviously would create some political divisions I would imagine

truth is - Hezbollah needs its crucial supply lines via Syria, therefore needs a regime receptive to its needs. The enemies of unity of the people, the enemies of Palestine cause want the Arabs of that region to be politically divided, as well as divided on petty "sectarian" lines

Mate you're getting off topic.

I know why Hezbollah is involved in Syria, the supply lines issue is up for debate.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

This is not related to ISIS and there is no news yet. Nothing has changed. It's drama created by Iranians and even while they pretend to be optimistic they are bashing Hamas. But I was unbanned in time to refute them.

i am bringing up ISIS because its a topic that DIRECTLY concerns the region - and can be a topic that units different people/groups....theyre an enemy of the Arabs/Muslims, not the enemy of israel

Mate you're getting off topic.

I know why Hezbollah is involved in Syria, the supply lines issue is up for debate.

Supply lines is a core issue. However, Hezbollah is a formidable and disciplined organization. We saw it in 2006. They are a reality and they wont be going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[Falcon29]

i am bringing up ISIS because its a topic that DIRECTLY concerns the region - and can be a topic that units different people/groups....theyre an enemy of the Arabs/Muslims, not the enemy of israel

You are looking at things from your perspective which is mainstream Shia perspective. You can't speak for all Arabs because they don't share your views. Most of them see Iran as an enemy to them along with ISIS. Some of them don't see ISIS as a problem. I am just speaking the facts. And 95% of Arab/Iranian policy is not related to Israel or the the Palestinian struggle. I know you are emphasizing that to avoid the reality that there are sectarian tensions in this region. And there is no major initiative to oppose Israel. The Arab world and Iran don't have time for that. And neither side has found it necessary to address recent issues in the West Bank. And I'm not referring to meaningless talk.

Supply lines is a core issue. However, Hezbollah is a formidable and disciplined organization. We saw it in 2006. They are a reality and they wont be going anywhere anytime soon.

Who said they would be going away and who is trying to make that a reality? Hezbollah is in a sovereign nation and doesn't face a regional conspiracy. That is Hamas which has faced that reality over the past 8 years.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

You are looking at things from your perspective which is mainstream Shia perspective. You can't speak for all Arabs because they don't share your views. Most of them see Iran as an enemy to them along with ISIS. Some of them don't see ISIS as a problem. I am just speaking the facts. And 95% of Arab/Iranian policy is not related to Israel or the the Palestinian struggle. I know you are emphasizing that to avoid the reality that there are sectarian tensions in this region. And there is no major initiative to oppose Israel. The Arab world and Iran don't have time for that. And neither side has found it necessary to address recent issues in the West Bank. And I'm not referring to meaningless talk.

apparently - suggesting that Hamas and Hezbollah should unite politically and use the opportunity to call on supporters to reject the threats to their nations' existence and prosperity (ISIS) causes the suggestion to have a Shia perspective

wonder if i read that correctly or what

Who said they would be going away and who is trying to make that a reality? Hezbollah is in a sovereign nation and doesn't face a regional conspiracy. That is Hamas which has faced that reality over the past 8 years.

elements of the anti-Assad resistance have openly called for war against Hezbollah, which got itself dragged into Syria to a certain extent...obviously for some there was an agenda (Again - makes no difference b/c Hezbollah's military capability DWARFS that of the FSA or the other groups fighting the govt.

back on topic - it's good to see Hamas and Hezbollah re-establish ties.....it would have been nice to see Hezbollah have helped defend Ghaza a few months ago when state-sponsored terrorism from Tel Aviv caused thousands of Palestinians to be killed, badly dis-figured and displaced/homeless. Hamas was helpless and unable to defend the land it represents. As for the Arab countries - its a shame that they cant do anything to end the blockade of Ghaza. Its a military and diplomatic failure, caused by dis-unity and internal political problems.

 

[Falcon29]

apparently - suggesting that Hamas and Hezbollah should unite politically and use the opportunity to call on supporters to reject the threats to their nations' existence and prosperity (ISIS) causes the suggestion to have a Shia perspective

wonder if i read that correctly or what

'i am bringing up ISIS because its a topic that DIRECTLY concerns the region - and can be a topic that units different people/groups....theyre an enemy of the Arabs/Muslims, not the enemy of israel'

Tell me what I misunderstood here.

elements of the anti-Assad resistance have openly called for war against Hezbollah, which got itself dragged into Syria to a certain extent...obviously for some there was an agenda (Again - makes no difference b/c Hezbollah's military capability DWARFS that of the FSA or the other groups fighting the govt.

After Hezbollah involvement in Syria. Some elements made threats that don't hold any ground. They are temporary efforts to dissuade Hezbollah from deploying forces in Syria.

back on topic - it's good to see Hamas and Hezbollah re-establish ties.....it would have been nice to see Hezbollah have helped defend Ghaza a few months ago when state-sponsored terrorism from Tel Aviv caused thousands of Palestinians to be killed, badly dis-figured and displaced/homeless.

They did not re-establish ties. As I stated here the problem is from one side. Hamas is not against cooperation with the whole region.

Hamas was helpless and unable to defend the land it represents.

This is a stupid statement, how wasn't it able to defend its land? Were you following anything in the conflict? And how would Hezbollah help? Open a front? That was not necessary in the latest stages of conflict we saw.

As for the Arab countries - its a shame that they cant do anything to end the blockade of Ghaza. Its a military and diplomatic failure, caused by dis-unity and internal political problems.

This I agree with.