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[Martian2]

Three things I don't like about the LCA / Tejas

Indian LCA / Tejas

Chinese Chengdu J-10 Vigorous Dragon

1. The J-10 has a bubble canopy that allows the pilot a commanding 360-degree view. On the Tejas, you can't see behind the pilot.

2. I don't like the Tejas tail-less delta wing design. The lack of horizontal stabilizers/control surfaces should reduce maneuverability.

3. I don't like the Tejas short combat radius of 265 miles. India is a large country and a point-defense fighter is a terrible idea.

These are all bad design choices.

 

[sms]

Three things I don't like about the LCA/Tejas

1. As shown in your pictures, the J-10 has a bubble canopy that allows the pilot a commanding 360 degree view. On the Tejas, you can't see behind the pilot.

J10 - DO NOT have bubble canopy. If it does as per your claim LCA do have it.
Additionally it's not a siginificant advantage we are not in WW2 era to have gun fight at slow speed. It's good to have but not required, it's job better left to sensors. Even with bubble canopy you cannot see beyond 8 o'clock.

2. I don't like the tail-less delta wing design. The lack of control surfaces should reduce maneuverability.

Designers knows better than you, LCA is designed to pull +9/ -3.5 G. vs J10 g limits +9/-3 g -- check which one is better.

3. I don't like the short combat radius of 265 miles. India is a large country and a point-defense fighter is a terrible idea.
These are all bad design choices.

Check your stats it's 500+ miles and is good enough for point defence plane. Please note that military planners know better than a mere fan boy.

PS: Check the thread title and Keep your bad habbits in check and stay away from bring J10 or other sino BS to this thread.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Things I don't like about J-10:





Nah I'm just kidding!! I'm not that insecure!!

 

[Martian2]

J10 - DO NOT have bubble canopy. If it does as per your claim LCA do have it.
Additionally it's not a siginificant advantage we aere not in WW2 era to have gun fight ar slow speed. It's good to have but not required, it's job better left to sensors. Even with bubble canopy you cannot see beyond 8 o'clock.

Designers knows better than you, LCA is designed to pull +9/ -3.5 G. vs J10 g limits +9/-3 g -- check which one is better.

Check your stats it's 500+ miles and is good enough for point defence plane. Please note that military planners know better than a mere fan boy.

PS: Check the thread title and Keep your bad habbits in check and stay away from bring J10 or other sino BS to this thread.

Range is flying from point A to point B.

Combat radius is takeoff from air base (point A), flying out on patrol, and then returning to base (point A again). Hence, combat radius is at most 1/2 of range. My information for the LCA / Tejas combat radius is correct.

There is nothing wrong in comparing with J-10. "Su-11" (on the previous page) did it with the fuel tanks. Also, I could just as easily have pointed to the F-16 bubble canopy and left the J-10 out. Do you want to exclude the bubble canopy from the F-16 too?

This is just a discussion about aircraft design. However, it seems you Indians are extremely touchy. I'm outta here.

 

[sms]

^^^^ Thankyou very much. Finally the LCA thread will be saved from Martians invasion
Kidding you can post but try to refrain from your dick measuring habbits

Note LCA do not have restriction on view angle for pilot. Look at the picture of LCA you've posted. It's a shot from 5 o'clock and you can see Pilot. That makes an view angle of approx 324 degree. So your claim is not valid.

Regarding radius you are right is almost 310 miles without drop tanks -- where your super J10 has combat radius of merely 340 miles without drop tanks. So by following your analogy it's a VERY bad planning to have a multi role aircraft with such mediocre combat radius for a big country like China.

 

[arp2041]

Bvr Missile Tests soon from Tejas

Source close to www.lca-tejas.org , have confirmed that Recent Weapons Trials carried out in Pokhran field firing ranges in in the western desert state of Rajasthan ,have been successful and LSP 2 ,3 and 5 , will soon head to Goa for Maritime trials soon , which will also likely include first test firing of beyond-visual-range missile, which will be either the Rafael Derby or the Vympel R-77.

Sources also informed that major weapons in Air to Ground configuration will be cleared by IOC-2 , which ADA hopes to achieve by end of this year , but bulk of Air to Air weapons (BVR and WVR) will only be cleared before FOC . Tejas should finally be cleared for operational service by mid of 2013 or end of 2013 .

Recent test carried by Tejas had variety of armaments such as precision-guided bombs and conventional bombs weighing up to 500 kg and practice, dumb and live bombs even a laser-guided bomb (LGB) was tested during the tests. All modes of weapon releases and all types of sensors were tested at various points in flight envelope.

Bvr Missile Tests soon from Tejas | idrw.org

 

[sancho]

^^^^ Thankyou very much. Finally the LCA thread will be saved from Martians invasion
Kidding you can post but try to refrain from your dick measuring habbits

Sadly no, we will have to see more of these obvious troll attempts since the mods let him play his blame games no matter how often we report him, or how often they have to delete his posts or whole sections of threats that ran out of topic because he started useless discussions based on nothing.
We should simply play it save and ignore him, it's simply not worth to get a warning or even a ban because we replied to such nonsence. I have nothing about reasonable discussions with people, no matter which country they come from, but this guy was so often countered by so many members of different origin, it's not even funny anymore. So lets just stick to topic and some real things to discuss about!

Bvr Missile Tests soon from Tejas

Source close to www.lca-tejas.org , have confirmed that Recent Weapons Trials carried out in Pokhran field firing ranges in in the western desert state of Rajasthan ,have been successful and LSP 2 ,3 and 5 , will soon head to Goa for Maritime trials soon , which will also likely include first test firing of beyond-visual-range missile, which will be either the Rafael Derby or the Vympel R-77.

Sources also informed that major weapons in Air to Ground configuration will be cleared by IOC-2 , which ADA hopes to achieve by end of this year , but bulk of Air to Air weapons (BVR and WVR) will only be cleared before FOC . Tejas should finally be cleared for operational service by mid of 2013 or end of 2013 .

Recent test carried by Tejas had variety of armaments such as precision-guided bombs and conventional bombs weighing up to 500 kg and practice, dumb and live bombs even a laser-guided bomb (LGB) was tested during the tests. All modes of weapon releases and all types of sensors were tested at various points in flight envelope.

Bvr Missile Tests soon from Tejas | idrw.org

Interesting, but with the decision of IAF to get Derby too like IN and phase out R77 as soon as possible, it should be rather unlikely that they will integrate R77 only for the IOC or FOC test. The fact that the tests will be done at a naval airbase and that these prototypes should use the same EL 2032 as INs Sea Harriers once again hints to Derby missile.

 

[rockstarIN]

Sadly no, we will have to see more of these obvious troll attempts since the mods let him play his blame games no matter how often we report him, or how often they have to delete his posts or whole sections of threats that ran out of topic because he started useless discussions based on nothing.
We should simply play it save and ignore him, it's simply not worth to get a warning or even a ban because we replied to such nonsence. I have nothing about reasonable discussions with people, no matter which country they come from, but this guy was so often countered by so many members of different origin, it's not even funny anymore. So lets just stick to topic and some real things to discuss about!





Interesting, but with the decision of IAF to get Derby too like IN and phase out R77 as soon as possible, it should be rather unlikely that they will integrate R77 only for the IOC or FOC test. The fact that the tests will be done at a naval airbase and that these prototypes should use the same EL 2032 as INs Sea Harriers once again hints to Derby missile.

Where are we phasing out R-77 specially IN? Mig-29k's major BVR remains R-77.

 

[sancho]

Where are we phasing out R-77 specially IN? Mig-29k's major BVR remains R-77.

In IAF mainly of course and Astra is meant to be the missile for INs Mig 29K in future as well.

 

[Black Widow]

^^^^^

COOL...

 

[rockstarIN]

In IAF mainly of course and Astra is meant to be the missile for INs Mig 29K in future as well.

But we even made purchases of more R-77 for Mig-29K

 

[david blain]

LCA-Tejas has completed 1911 Test Flights successfully. (02-July-2012).

(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-348,LSP1-74,LSP2-226,PV5-36,LSP3-63,LSP4-56,LSP5-98,LSP7-4,NP1-4)


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LCA-Tejas has completed 1904 Test Flights successfully. (27-June-2012).

(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-348,LSP1-74,LSP2-223,PV5-36,LSP3-63,LSP4-56,LSP5-95,LSP7-3,NP1-4)

 

[sancho]

But we even made purchases of more R-77 for Mig-29K

Of course, because Astra is not ready yet and we need to bridge the time (IAFs recent procurement of R27 might route in the same direction), but the aim is to phase out Russian missiles and use Astra instead. FGFA and AMCA should not have Russian AAMs at all and hopefully Indian counterparts that will be ready by then.

 

[subincb]

Flight Test News
LCA-Tejas has completed 1925 Test Flights successfully. (03-July-2012).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-348,LSP1-74,LSP2-230,PV5-36,LSP3-70,LSP4-56,LSP5-101,LSP7-4,NP1-4)

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LCA-Tejas has completed 1911 Test Flights successfully. (02-July-2012).

(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-348,LSP1-74,LSP2-226,PV5-36,LSP3-63,LSP4-56,LSP5-98,LSP7-4,NP1-4)

So many test in a single day. How is it possible? Its getting better every day I guess. May be they are in Goa now

 

[Roybot]

Yeah has to be the sea level trials. LSP3 made 7 flights in one day?