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[Superboy]

From where you got information? your inner sense?



From where you got information? your inner sense?

The first two aircraft (SP-1, SP-2) might not meet our standards for squadron formation as the metal cutting and hardware were done before we froze the IOC-2 test points. We will raise the first Tejas squadron with four aircraft starting from SP-3 to SP-6,” a top source said. The IAF will use SP-1 and SP-2 for evaluation flight to be undertaken by the test pilots of Aircraft System and Testing Establishment (ASTE). The limited series production variants LSP-7 and LSP-8 too will be used for evaluation flights by the IAF.

Tejas Induction into Air Force to Take More Time -The New Indian Express

Looks like SP-3 and SP-4 be the first two operational Tejas when they are ready next year.

 

[Sri]

Official Updated LCA Tejas Mk.2 Schematics, First Flight Target 2017

As you may have noticed, they've managed to get the engine wrong! It's the GE-F414, not the F404.

Livefist: Official Updated LCA Tejas Mk.2 Schematics, First Flight Target 2017

Thanks for the info, but hey what happened to first flight in 2015 Q1, Why 2 more years of delay. When ADA/HAL know that MK2 is what Forces want why they are delaying it even further, Not sure if this would be relevant for forces beyond 2025 ( I mean they should ideally induct the all the 8 squads by that time).
Seniors any thoughts?

 

[nik22]

Naah..nothing like that. Have been busy in real life, except FB.

I guess you did not like that Temporary Ban

 

[Jayanta]

Official Updated LCA Tejas Mk.2 Schematics, First Flight Target 2017

As you may have noticed, they've managed to get the engine wrong! It's the GE-F414, not the F404.

Livefist: Official Updated LCA Tejas Mk.2 Schematics, First Flight Target 2017

2017...too late for a 4th gen fighter.

 

[Badbadman]

2017.

 

[h0mer]

I hear Boeing's struggling at the moment to keep lines open. Would be a wise investment for India to renege on the Rafale and get the Superbugs instead. It would be very beneficial to the Indian Aeronautical Industry.

1.) Build up declining fighter jet numbers..... check
2.) Engine commonality between fighters (F414)...... check
3.) Get Boeing to help out with Tejas/Tejas MK2...... check
4.) Get product on time (if not ahead of schedule)..... check

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

2017...too late for a 4th gen fighter.

why is that so?

 

[trident2010]

Would be a wise investment for India to renege on the Rafale and get the Superbugs instead. It would be very beneficial to the Indian Aeronautical Industry.

1.) Build up declining fighter jet numbers..... check
2.) Engine commonality between fighters (F414)...... check
3.) Get Boeing to help out with Tejas/Tejas MK2...... check
4.) Get product on time (if not ahead of schedule)..... check

Reliant on US for offensive machines..... uncheck

 

[h0mer]

Reliant on US for offensive machines..... uncheck

Buying C17's, C130's, Chinooks, Apaches, P8's, F404's & F414's..... check.

 

[kurup]

I hear Boeing's struggling at the moment to keep lines open. Would be a wise investment for India to renege on the Rafale and get the Superbugs instead. It would be very beneficial to the Indian Aeronautical Industry.

1.) Build up declining fighter jet numbers..... check
2.) Engine commonality between fighters (F414)...... check
3.) Get Boeing to help out with Tejas/Tejas MK2...... check
4.) Get product on time (if not ahead of schedule)..... check

US won't be providing TOT to the level we want . So no SH .

 

[h0mer]

US won't be providing TOT to the level we want . So no SH .

Neither will the French... watch them come up with some stupid reason to not do so. It will turn into another scorpene like project (you know where they offered their own AIP's in place of Indian ones and it shows up 10 years too late).. and for a country that's already suffering from diminishing squadron strength, you need numbers and you need it asap.

While you won't get the full TOT on the SH, you will get access to Boeing. Tie the Tejas MK2 into the MRCA deal, stating that Boeing must help with the Tejas development concurrently. I'm sure Boeing would be more than thrilled to deliver super hornets and help out India with it's Tejas fighter and it's aeronautical industry.

If this deal were made 10 years ago, yea I could see going for the Rafale. But now that it's pretty much well past it's due date, the Rafale deal will only set India back in the Aerospace industry. You may get the TOT (most likely not), but it'll be vastly outdated by the time you absorb the technologies behind it. Even though you won't get all the TOT behind the ASH, you will get an almost 5th generation fighter built in India, then you take that knowledge and apply it to the AMCA. That's a win-win for all parties.

 

[trident2010]

Buying C17's, C130's, Chinooks, Apaches, P8's, F404's & F414's..... check.

But they are not as critical as fighter planes. So yes for a time being buying large no.s of offensive machines .. uncheck.

 

[kurup]

Neither will the French... watch them come up with some stupid reason to not do so. It will turn into another scorpene like project (you know where they offered their own AIP's in place of Indian ones and it shows up 10 years too late).. and for a country that's already suffering from diminishing squadron strength, you need numbers and you need it asap.

In the scorpene project , the delay was due to MDL than French .

While you won't get the full TOT on the SH, you will get access to Boeing. Tie the Tejas MK2 into the MRCA deal, stating that Boeing must help with the Tejas development concurrently. I'm sure Boeing would be more than thrilled to deliver super hornets and help out India with it's Tejas fighter and it's aeronautical industry.

Agree but the same can be provided by Dassault also .

If this deal were made 10 years ago, yea I could see going for the Rafale. But now that it's pretty much well past it's due date, the Rafale deal will only set India back in the Aerospace industry. You may get the TOT (most likely not), but it'll be vastly outdated by the time you absorb the technologies behind it. Even though you won't get all the TOT behind the ASH, you will get an almost 5th generation fighter built in India, then you take that knowledge and apply it to the AMCA. That's a win-win for all parties.

What 5G technologies do ASH provide ??

 

[rockstarIN]

Neither will the French... watch them come up with some stupid reason to not do so. It will turn into another scorpene like project (you know where they offered their own AIP's in place of Indian ones and it shows up 10 years too late).. and for a country that's already suffering from diminishing squadron strength, you need numbers and you need it asap.

While you won't get the full TOT on the SH, you will get access to Boeing. Tie the Tejas MK2 into the MRCA deal, stating that Boeing must help with the Tejas development concurrently. I'm sure Boeing would be more than thrilled to deliver super hornets and help out India with it's Tejas fighter and it's aeronautical industry.

If this deal were made 10 years ago, yea I could see going for the Rafale. But now that it's pretty much well past it's due date, the Rafale deal will only set India back in the Aerospace industry. You may get the TOT (most likely not), but it'll be vastly outdated by the time you absorb the technologies behind it. Even though you won't get all the TOT behind the ASH, you will get an almost 5th generation fighter built in India, then you take that knowledge and apply it to the AMCA. That's a win-win for all parties.

Sorry, we do not want strings attached fighter jet. Tejas will evolve without Boeing help, even with delays as IAF is not much in dire need of Tejas now. It was good for IAF had it happened in 1998-2000.

And we learned a lot by producing jets under ToT in India for decades that where they can 'delay' the critical tech transfer.

 

[MehrotraPrince]

Neither will the French... watch them come up with some stupid reason to not do so. It will turn into another scorpene like project (you know where they offered their own AIP's in place of Indian ones and it shows up 10 years too late).. and for a country that's already suffering from diminishing squadron strength, you need numbers and you need it asap.

While you won't get the full TOT on the SH, you will get access to Boeing. Tie the Tejas MK2 into the MRCA deal, stating that Boeing must help with the Tejas development concurrently. I'm sure Boeing would be more than thrilled to deliver super hornets and help out India with it's Tejas fighter and it's aeronautical industry.

If this deal were made 10 years ago, yea I could see going for the Rafale. But now that it's pretty much well past it's due date, the Rafale deal will only set India back in the Aerospace industry. You may get the TOT (most likely not), but it'll be vastly outdated by the time you absorb the technologies behind it. Even though you won't get all the TOT behind the ASH, you will get an almost 5th generation fighter built in India, then you take that knowledge and apply it to the AMCA. That's a win-win for all parties.

Your argument for Boeing and involvement of US companies for Tejas development is far from truth.
1. Scorpene got delayed due to Indian company, it always take time to absorb the new technology which you don't have.
2. Lockheed will be far better than Boeing as far as fighter aircraft development is concerned, look at the US fighter competition itself.....who lost all recent fighter aircraft competition to Lockheed. So if its a matter of choice then why not go for best option.
3. France helped HAL to develop engine for Helicopter and gave 70% real TOT, US will not even give 10%.
4. We have quite good experience with US companies during sanction period, not only they stopped helping us but also confiscated our equipments for many years, due to that we had to start from scratch for many systems which delayed our project for more than 3-4 years.
5. We don't want foreign companies to dump their old technologies in name of TOT, this is the reason we said no to Kaveri engine joint development project. We wanted French to develop next gen engine tech with us, but they wanted to dump their 3rd gen engine tech, where as every other country like Russia, UK and American is either using 4th gen engine or switching to 5th gen engine technology.