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Point defence fighters will rarely enter Pak territory. LCA Vs Su 30 range compaisons are enough to understand that LCA will not carry out deep penetration and strke roles anyway. LCA will be guarding our cities and facilities and there the PAF will have to depend on the on-board Radars (necessarily limited in comparison with ground based ones). It can be assumed that in these conditions LCA will have a terrific edge: Low observablitiy to radar because of composites and stealthy design, very small size- visually difficult to detect so engaging in visual range combat will be nightmarish.
Most Pak strikes will be done by MKI/ Rafale etc.

Some thing like that I was trying to say, and as for known information Pakistan's TPS-77 might be its longest range radar for public, but its quite good Pakistan never disclose Chinese radars until it is necessary to display.
 
J-10B is in serial production, whereas Tejas still is not. What makes you sure Tejas can enter serial production when J-20 enters serial production in 2015? What radar does Tejas have?

Tejas Now is in Serial Production while we talk. Tejas MK-1 uses a pulse-Doppler Multi Mode Radar while an AESA is being readied for MK-2 version of the same, which is set to roll out in 2015.
 
similar to our thunder but avionics and munuever capability is week
 
Some thing like that I was trying to say, and as for known information Pakistan's TPS-77 might be its longest range radar for public, but its quite good Pakistan never disclose Chinese radars until it is necessary to display.

Well, let's wait for the info. Only then we'll be able to compare.
 
Its just the matter of opening the envelop. IOC-1 approved 17. They made it from 17to 22 in IOC -2.

Tejas has already been tested to 24 degrees. It will be increased to 28 Degree as a requirement for FOC.

similar to our thunder but avionics and munuever capability is week

Can you enlighten us as to which Avionics are you boasting in Thunder which LCA does not have and as far as Maneuverability is concerned the Tejas is a League ahead of its competitor.
 
Tejas can't even best Gripen let alone JF-17. Don't forget, JF-17 is the world's first operational plane equipped with DSI. :bounce:
 
These are some links for known radars & their related defense equipment.

YLC-6 Radar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Oerlikon 35 mm twin cannon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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GIRAFFE AMB - Features

A link which compares radars of India & Pakistan.

Exclusive: A comparative analysis of military radar technology in Pakistan and India | Terminal X
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Pakistani Sam's & Radar Systems - Air Force Forum - Pakistani Defence Forum
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TRISHUL: China-Made Radars Being Delivered To Pakistan
I don't know PDFs policy about posting other forums as link, sorry if this is a mistake.
 
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Tejas can't even best Gripen let alone JF-17. Don't forget, JF-17 is the world's first operational plane equipped with DSI. :bounce:

Tejas has already.. And Mind You dear. DSI is not everything, even F-22 is not equipped with DSI and that is still considered the best. DSI is just a cost effective solution to other conventional methods.
 
F-22 doesn't have DSI because it's a 1997 plane. F-35 does and it's a 2006 plane. :bounce:

Aesthetics is a big part of selling. Cleanness sells. Ugly struts holding air intake to fuselage doesn't.
 
F-22 doesn't have DSI because it's a 1997 plane. F-35 does and it's a 2006 plane. :bounce:

Yet it does not out perform a 1997 Aircraft, so whats the logic of equipping your Super Duper DSI apart from cost effectiveness?
 
I am not denying that the Thunder isn't a indigenous project - at best its a joint development .

At best - its a joint production. Nothing has been developed in JF17 program which was not with chinese before.
 
LCA will be good point defense as India have vast and layered air defense network which any air force will find very difficult to over come with out 5th gen planes, but if it is to enter Pakistani air space then there are more chances that it will be shot down by ground based SAMs because Pakistani ground radar will be watching deep inside India even if AWACS is not deployed only Rafael & MKI are good to handle our current air defense, and that is the reason Rafael will be used primarily for ground attacks and MKIs will be used primarily for air dominance and secondary strike package escort.

English is a funny language...an "e" here and there can change the meaning of the word...

Rafael is a Israeli company which makes missiles like Barak, Iron dome etc.
http://www.rafael.co.il

Rafale on the other hand is a multirole fighter aircraft manufactured by the French aviation company Dassault.
Introduction - Dassault Aviation

J-10B is in serial production, whereas Tejas still is not. What makes you sure Tejas can enter serial production when J-20 enters serial production in 2015? What radar does Tejas have?

Fan boy hold your horse...as far as the Chinese are concerned they plan to induct the J-20 somewhere in 2019-20. Are they going to get some in the serial production specially for Pakistan in 2015??
 
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What surprise me about the article is that it says LCA's stealth and after that talk about that because it is made of composite material, he don't know that it is not even shaped to be stealth

That's because too many people confuse low RCS with Stealth and especially DRDO often fuelled this misconception by talking about 5th gen, or stealth upgrades, just like the notion that LCA is the best of it's class is nonsense.
However, it is not deniable that the LCA was developed and designed with the aim to have a very low RCS for a 4th gen fighter. That's why it was designed to be very small, to have as less surface structures that could reflect radar waves, or why it uses high ammounts of composite and radar absorbing materials from the start and not only added in later upgrade stages.
 
Really ? How did you reach that conclusion ? Start with a comparison proving the " era far gone " . What do you know about the JF-17 radar , DSI , FBW controls , EW suite , weapons , capabilities etc even ? Yes , its body is mostly made of Al , but still composites are used whose content are going to improve in future Blocks . Also Composites aren't something which are essential for any aircraft by any chance - weight/RCS reduction are the only benefit . It appears that you aren't even aware of the criteria for fourth generation aircraft .

P.S Do enlighten me , where the engine , radar etc of LCA Tejas are coming from today , if making an aircraft like JFT would have been a piece of cake as per you and somehow you opted for far better and difficult path but still ended up doing the same import and integrate approach ? Whats the percent of indigenous content in that aircraft ? Your contributions in that programme are higher , sure , but the essentials are still being imported , speaks volumes .

Hello Secur,

OT questions,
Can you tell me where is the JF17, Wing internal stamping panels, external skin panels, fuselage stamping, external skin, cockpit structure, tail piece stampings, external skins and canopies are being produced?
 
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