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As you put it rightly, a JV can only get you latest technology along with know-how to manufacture and maintain it, nothing beyond that. For any future upgrade or next gen development, you will have to run to the OEM like we did for high performance shakti engines because we did not get any capability from the JV to modify the engine on our own. On top of that, OEM takes advantage by charging exorbitant charges for future upgrades like the case of LUH engine where HAL was considering going for a different engine.

Exactly, just like Russia let us pay for every nut and bold of their fighters, that we can't produce in India. But that's why we need to set up an aero industry that can provide a basline of techs and systems on their own and not one that starts with the most complicated part (engine development) from the start and makes the whole fighter project dependent on it.
That's why it was the right way for Dhruv to take off the shelf engines and co-developments for an engine, while it was the prime mistake of the LCA project, to belive DRDO would be able to provide the engine on their own. Steady progress, starting from the low end, that is what we need and where we are, not dreaming about things that are totally out of our capabilities!

If DRDO wanted to develop an engine alone, why not? But in a seperate tech demonstrator program and not with the risk making the most important Indian aerospace project suffer from their failures!
 
The problem with most of the people on PDF is that most of them are either internet worriers or they love nit picking.

Not everything is disclosed to media, we rarely come across reports like this (Development of Dhruv project).

I don't know how good you are involved directly or indirectly in LCA project, but still let me tell you that IAF tried to sabotage LCA project from day one. Before the first flight of LCA a report was send to MOD that LCA is going to crash (this fact came to public after long time), but still LCA completed its maiden flight successfully. The report was prepared by some foreign agency with help of some senior IAF officers who never wanted LCA project to continue.

One proof is Inside DRDO series (Discovery Channel) documentary.

If you really want to learn about LCA and other projects, attitude of IAF, attitude of Indian Navy then please watch AeroIndia 2013 presentation, its easily available on youtube.

Very true, Many foreign countries whose gonna loose $$$ if India able to make Planes, therefore though their Agents in IAF /Army they want to sabotage the Indian Products.

Like wise Arjun which sabotage by Army since start , sometimes they they want this and when they develop this they saying they dont want , Actually Army didn't complained about T-90 when its engine / Electronics failed in High temp of Raj. but quick to complain on Arjun for their minor failures.

Likewise , Many countries loose lot of Business when India started producing own weapons so they do whatever it takes to sabotage these projects.
 
Flight test update

LCA-Tejas has completed 2068 Test Flights Successfully. (04-Mar-2013).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-351,LSP1-74,LSP2-257,PV5-36,LSP3-107,LSP4-67,LSP5-142,LSP7-27,NP1-4)

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LCA-Tejas has completed 2074 Test Flights Successfully. (06-Mar-2013).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-353,LSP1-74,LSP2-257,PV5-36,LSP3-108,LSP4-68,LSP5-145,LSP7-27,NP1-4)
 
Flight test update

LCA-Tejas has completed 2074 Test Flights Successfully. (06-Mar-2013).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-353,LSP1-74,LSP2-257,PV5-36,LSP3-108,LSP4-68,LSP5-145,LSP7-27,NP1-4)

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LCA-Tejas has completed 2084 Test Flights Successfully. (11-Mar-2013).
(TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-242,PV2-222,PV3-353,LSP1-74,LSP2-258,PV5-36,LSP3-113,LSP4-68,LSP5-147,LSP7-29,NP1-4
 
If LCA is ever succeded that basically means that Russians finally did it!
 
The country’s indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) ‘Tejas’ programme is now expected to be completed only by March 2015 and is one of the major projects undertaken by the Defence Research Development Organisation(DRDO) which is running behind schedule by several years, the Rajya Sabha was informed on Wednesday.

Union Defence Minister A K Antony said in a written reply that the deadline for the ‘Tejas’ project, which was originally scheduled for completion by December 2008, was likely to be extended till March 2015 as it had already breached the December 2012 revised deadline.

The IAF is eagerly waiting for the DRDO to complete the LCA project so that it could replace the ageing Soviet-era MiG-21s,which had earned the sobriquet’flying coffins’ following the numerous air crashes involving them.

The Upper House was also informed that as many as 34 MiG fighter planes had crashed in the last five years and six pilots were killed in the accidents along with five civilians. As for the DRDO’s delayed projects, the minister noted that the Naval LCA was now scheduled for completion by December 2014 as opposed to its original schedule of March 2010.

The Naval LCAs are likely to be the combat air element of the country’s first Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) that is now under construction at the Cochin Shipyard (CSL) and which in all likelihood may join the Navy by December 2015.

Similarly, the indigenous aeroengine ‘Kaveri’, which the DRDO had been developing for the LCA too was badly delayed, resulting in the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) going in for the American GE F414 engines for the Mark-II versions of the combat plane.

The Airborne Early Warning and Control System (AEW&CS), a transport aircraft-mounted radar known as a major force multiplier capable of being an ‘eye-in-the-sky’ for the Indian armed forces, too has been delayed and will now be ready only by March 2014.

Also running behind schedule is the Long Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LR-SAM), which is now scheduled for completion only in December 2015.

Antony said the reasons for the delay in these projects included ab initio development of the state-of-the-art technologies, non-availability of trained and skilled manpower to work on the projects and lack of infrastructure and test facilities in the country.

Regarding the delay in the ongoing Scorpene submarines’ project at the Mumbai-based Mazagon Docks Limited (MDL), the minister blamed it on the slow procurement of the raw materials. “The project is being closely monitored by the Union Ministry of Defence (MoD) and the Navy to ensure its completion without any further delay,” he said.

‘Tejas’ LCA project likely to be completed in 2015 | idrw.org
 
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Grippen is very much Swedish plane with GE4XX engine, while LCA won't be Indian plane with same engine

That's a point we should clear up, we all know this graphic of the origin of Gripens system:

http://www.aereo.jor.br/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/gripen-partners.jpg


Would be interesting if we can confirm this for the origin of LCA MK1s systems as well, so lets discuss this and collect credible sources (please don't link just wiki, but you can use sources from wiki, ideally sources from the manufacturer itself!!!):

Control Stick / Throttle Lever -
Audio Management System -
Escape System -
Enviromental Control System -
Fuel System -
Hydraulic System -
Auxiliary Power System -
Servos -
Engine - US (General Electric) F404-GE-IN20 Engines Ordered for India Light Combat Aircraft | Press Release
Landing Gear -
Wheel Brakes and Brake Control System -
Gun -
Airframe - IN (?)
In-flight Refuelling Probe - Not available on MK1 (MK2 rumored to get one from Chobham UK as well)
System Computer -
Flight Control System - IN (ADE) DRDO
Air Data Computer -
Radome - IN (ADA)
Radar - IN (DRDO)
Electronic Displays System - IN (CSIR) http://oasis.csir.res.in/gum/fupld\mdocs\clc2012\CSIR-PS-CSIO-LC April 2012.pdf
 
That's a point we should clear up, we all know this graphic of the origin of Gripens system:

http://www.aereo.jor.br/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/gripen-partners.jpg


Would be interesting if we can confirm this for the origin of LCA MK1s systems as well, so lets discuss this and collect credible sources (please don't link just wiki, but you can use sources from wiki, ideally sources from the manufacturer itself!!!):

Control Stick / Throttle Lever -
Audio Management System -
Escape System -
Enviromental Control System -
Fuel System -
Hydraulic System -
Auxiliary Power System -
Servos -
Engine - US (General Electric) F404-GE-IN20 Engines Ordered for India Light Combat Aircraft | Press Release
Landing Gear -
Wheel Brakes and Brake Control System -
Gun -
Airframe - IN (?)
In-flight Refuelling Probe - Not available on MK1 (MK2 rumored to get one from Chobham UK as well)
System Computer -
Flight Control System - IN (ADE) DRDO
Air Data Computer -
Radome - IN (ADA)
Radar - IN (DRDO)
Electronic Displays System - IN (CSIR) http://oasis.csir.res.in/gum/fupld\mdocs\clc2012\CSIR-PS-CSIO-LC April 2012.pdf
Air Data Computer-BEL(IN) BEL delivers critical systems for over 50 LCAs - The New Indian Express

Escape System - Martin-Baker ejection seat(UK)

Enviromental Control System - Spectrum Infotech (IN) but many ECS like cabin shut-off valve and ESOV are imported. Tejas Light Combat Supersonic Fighter - Airforce Technology

Hydraulic System - Some parts are being imported drdo.gov.in/drdo/whatsnew/Indeginization.pdf
 
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