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[GURU DUTT]

What was the point of developing the HF-24 if Hindustan was going to forget the experience within two decades? And why does Hindustan have multiple companies if it cannot leverage the experience gained in one project to avoid mismanaging the second one?

looks like you dont hvae enough grip on how history and socio economicks works well let me give you a quick lesson kid why that happenned and why we could not make use of it

1. 1974 we exploded neuclear devices due to which all US & its allies imposed all kinds of tech sanctions possible at that time hence we could also not get any required computers & toolings

2.we were in soviet camp defcto type so could no get the requierd counsultency as even marut was designed bt german kurt tank as indian R&D was not so developed then cause we even were not food sufficient at that time forget having wast knowledge and resources to waste on fighter jets

3.biggest hurdel was money till late 1980s indian economy was on verge of collapse til narsimha rao as PM came and gave MMS full support to take any radical steps and through away the cltches os soviet style socialist closed economy and instector raj type economy for a captalosts type free and open market econmy and end of inspector raj and then money started coming in

4. only after a decade later in 1990s we got enough money to think potive of rstarting such intiatives abd then only in 1993 first batch of some 453 something crore INR were cleared and Tejas/LCA as it was called them project took off and first prtotype took to air only in 2001 (but even in 1998 after pokharn2 blasts sanctions were reomposed which were re lifted only in 2008 )

rest you can speculate yourself

 

[ni8mare]

"It is being.." "wil be.." "being set up.."

difficult to understand or what........can't blame though
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SP-6

 

[DarX]

looks like you dont hvae enough grip on how history and socio economicks works well let me give you a quick lesson kid why that happenned and why we could not make use of it

1. 1974 we exploded neuclear devices due to which all US & its allies imposed all kinds of tech sanctions possible at that time hence we could also not get any required computers & toolings

2.we were in soviet camp defcto type so could no get the requierd counsultency as even marut was designed bt german kurt tank as indian R&D was not so developed then cause we even were not food sufficient at that time forget having wast knowledge and resources to waste on fighter jets

3.biggest hurdel was money till late 1980s indian economy was on verge of collapse til narsimha rao as PM came and gave MMS full support to take any radical steps and through away the cltches os soviet style socialist closed economy and instector raj type economy for a captalosts type free and open market econmy and end of inspector raj and then money started coming in

4. only after a decade later in 1990s we got enough money to think potive of rstarting such intiatives abd then only in 1993 first batch of some 453 something crore INR were cleared and Tejas/LCA as it was called them project took off and first prtotype took to air only in 2001 (but even in 1998 after pokharn2 blasts sanctions were reomposed which were re lifted only in 2008 )

rest you can speculate yourself

Pakistan is producing JF-17s... And Hindustan is producing excuses.

difficult to understand or what........can't blame though
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SP-6

Read the whole post. The one it was directed to understood it and replied as well.

In any case.. Wow.. Picture of prototype No.6. That is more impressive than the approximately 90 JF-17s that are in services. And it totally makes up for IAF having to carry the old Mig-21s and Mig-27s. Good job.

 

[salimpheku]

Pakistan is producing JF-17s

I think the Chinese would disagree with you.

 

[gslv mk3]

Pakistan is producing JF-17s

We are producing Su 30 MKIs. the point is ?

 

[ni8mare]

In any case.. Wow.. Picture of prototype No.6. That is more impressive than the approximately 90 JF-17s that are in services. And it totally makes up for IAF having to carry the old Mig-21s and Mig-27s. Good job.

Are you dumb or what ?............that not a prototype ...sp>> serial production

@Arsalan why this guy is trolling ?

 

[gslv mk3]

In any case.. Wow.. Picture of prototype No.6. That is more impressive than the approximately 90 JF-17s that are in service

SP means 'Serial Production'. Prototypes aren't serial produced anywhere in the aerospace industry AFAIK.

Yes it is impressive, because we designed & developed it on our own.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Pakistan is producing JF-17s... And Hindustan is producing excuses.



Read the whole post. The one it was directed to understood it and replied as well.

In any case.. Wow.. Picture of prototype No.6. That is more impressive than the approximately 90 JF-17s that are in services. And it totally makes up for IAF having to carry the old Mig-21s and Mig-27s. Good job.

well we are already started full serial production of LCA and in first year its 12 per year and going to incrase it 16 till next year and right now producing 16 Su30 MKIs & Dhruv & Rudra & LCH helicopters from raw meterial level (yes we even bult all its air frames & even engines and control systems) you tell us when you design and manufature and use a water pump or a 80cc moped engine inhouse

 

[DarX]

This phenomena of 7 vs 11 comes in context to a two front war with China as well as Pak, and believe me, this is very new. It only emerged after 9/11 when US found a new ally, pumped Indians Bigly. Merkins are the enemy of south asia, they are enemies of Pak as well as India. They just want to keep their military industrial going, look at the Saudi deal? What will Saudies do with all these weapons when they love Israelis? Airforces around the world always cry hard to get more $$$s, Indians done nothing new. Two front war will never happen, China cannot sacrifice their economic progress for Pak. Hence the question of 7 vs 11 is a farce. No reality. They already have enough weapons, at least enough for Pak, and they know it.

I'm not sure if this is correct. All countries must be prepared for the worst possible situations, and in India's case, that includes a two front war. If the Air Marshal has commented on it, then it definitely seems to be a big problem which is on his mind. Another thing that you miss is that if Hindustan is lacking enough weapons to deal with a two front defensive war, then it definitely doesn't have enough weapons for an offensive war against Pakistan, unless it trusts China enough to leave its North and West completely unprotected. Even if China will not go on the offensive to support a misadventure by Pakistan, do you really think it will abandon its strongest ally if India attacks? So this means no surgical strikes and no Indian threat to Pakistan.

But I do agree with you that America is manipulating other countries to maintain its status as the sole super power of the world. What it really wants is that countries of the world should stay weak and that means keep fighting with each other. The main benefit of this is that it keeps America's enemies away from its borders. As China is rising, what can America do? It props up India to keep China ties down in Asia and not challenge America. This is how it is. Everyone in America's position would've done the same. But India taking such an aggressive line against China really makes it easy for America to keep doing its dirty work.

 

[gslv mk3]

Another thing that you miss is that if Hindustan is lacking enough weapons to deal with a two front defensive war, then it definitely doesn't have enough weapons for an offensive war against Pakistan, unless it trusts China enough to leave its North and West completely unprotected.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...t-war-army-chief-general-bipin-rawat-4694292/

 

[DarX]

There is no point. An program to develop a jet interceptor aircraft was scuttled in the 1970s & the Jaguar took it's place. ADA was constituted because HAL wasn't enough to handle such a big program- It's like soviet approach. In the place of TsAGI we have NAL, ADA is the design bureau (ala Mikoyan) & HAL is the production partner.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/fighter-jet-proposals-after-hal-marut-before-hal-tejas.293471/

So does that mean Hindustan might also "forget" all that it has learnt from the Tejas project? Because you just confirmed that it happened to the HF-24 and HJT-16 projects too?

 

[gslv mk3]

So does that mean Hindustan might also "forget" all that it has learnt from the Tejas project?

Never heard of LCA Mk2 & AMCA projects ?

 

[salimpheku]

So does that mean Hindustan might also "forget" all that it has learnt from the Tejas project? Because you just confirmed that it happened to the HF-24 and HJT-16 projects too?

 

[DarX]

Are you dumb or what ?............that not a prototype ...sp>> serial production

@Arsalan why this guy is trolling ?

Are you dumb or what? It remains a prototype if it has yet to go through its first gun firing trials.

And replying doesn't mean trolling. We are not here to listen to your day dreams.

 

[gslv mk3]

It remains a prototype if it has yet to go through its first gun firing trials

So the EFT Tranche 1 with no A2G capabilities & limited A2A capabilities as a prototype ?