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ziaulislam said:
Jf17 is joint venture so obviously if one patner leaves pakistan wont be able to continue the thunder project.
Also the engine is provided by russia to china..

If however china allows it then give past experience of mamufacturing

pakistan will be able to manfacturer rest of airframe as it already does 60%
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Thanks for your honest reply...
I will leave it here because we would be off topic
 
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Vanamali said:
Thanks for your honest reply...
I will leave it here because we would be off topic
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Tejas and jf17 are projects with different set of goals

Tejas was for india to gain experience in manfacturing after it already did multiple JV and underlisence projects

While jf17 was PAC first attempt for anything (PAC only built saab propellar and parts for k8)
Also jf17 was meant for mass production and was a safe design

Tejas unfortunately suffered from bad design(lack of canrads) this will be rectified with mk2 but mk2 is essentially a new aircraft

Tejas was never liked by IAF even now it is reluctant buy, but jf17 is something PAF is pretty much satisfied with..

Jf17 was suppose to be minimilistic ..every move was made to cut the cost, a dual seater was therefore never planned, fly by wire was selective and design was conservative

Only later PAC saw potent of jf17 and interest, it then scrabled to build a twin seater.
It also decided to make it a 4.5 th fighter beyond the standarad order of 150AC. the changes were made possible by incredible advances in china

With full FBW, a new solid engine with thrust equivalent to ge414(rd93ma), an AESA radar, jf 17 will surely find alot of sucess

Tejas scrapped the canrads and decreased the length of aircraft a bad design move that hunts DRDO/HAL till now.

When it comes to export market, tejas mk1 will not be brought by anyone its flawed design. Tejas mk2 is what tejas should have been(see gripen, same engine)
 
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Vanamali said:
You didn't answer... Going round and round... Quote me no of planes Pak can produce in next 12 months with out China.
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JF-17 is assembled in Pakistan, if so it can be made with Italian radar and Russian engines, I did answer that. You failed to answer your BS about some secret massive stockpile of engines that India has for LCA that only you know about, please share information. This is an LCA thread remember.....
 
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Yasser76 said:
JF-17 is assembled in Pakistan, if so it can be made with Italian radar and Russian engines, I did answer that. You failed to answer your BS about some secret massive stockpile of engines that India has for LCA that only you know about, please share information. This is an LCA thread remember.....
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Engines are our major concern... that is why we are actively trying to get required technology from west... and most of us know that none is willing to provide it to us... we have to do it own our own... Period...
 
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Novice09 said:
Engines are our major concern... that is why we are actively trying to get required technology from west... and most of us know that none is willing to provide it to us... we have to do it own our own... Period...
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Agreed, but we both know that this is impossible with regards to LCA. In future, perhaps, but right now Kavari has failed and if US withold those engines it will delay LCA by another few years as you source a new engine and integrate it. That is the fundamental weakness here. US can stop LCA in it's tracks (for the short term) should it ever decide, although I think it is unlikley.
 
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White and Green with M/S said:
So Why @The Maverick saying that you Tejas is better than all MKI and Mig-29 versions, including Russian air force versions???
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Every jet has its pros and cons... do you know why we are not upgrading MKIs with Russian help... because we have developed better radar and some other components in India (due to Tejas program)... we are also working on several other components... but MKI is the back bone of IAF... as of now...

At the end of the day... synergy between your various assets decide the outcome of a conflict...
 
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Novice09 said:
Every jet has its pros and cons... do you know why we are not upgrading MKIs with Russian help... because we have developed better radar and some other components in India (due to Tejas program)... we are also working on several other components... but MKI is the back bone of IAF... as of now...

At the end of the day... synergy between your various assets decide the outcome of a conflict...
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Ok but Tejas is small jet as compare MKI, which means less radar/ECM/EW range as well as less upgradation as compere to MKI, might be you're developing your base through LCA project
 
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Yasser76 said:
Agreed, but we both know that this is impossible with regards to LCA. In future, perhaps, but right now Kavari has failed and if US withold those engines it will delay LCA by another few years as you source a new engine and integrate it. That is the fundamental weakness here. US can stop LCA in it's tracks (for the short term) should it ever decide, although I think it is unlikley.
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You answered your self... on Engine... I really want to see US reaction once S-400 is procured... I feel that India is ready plan B... France and UK...

Tejas... it does not matter how much people make fun of this jet... but the truth is, "Tejas" is creating an aerospace industry in India... Delayed but successful...
 
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Novice09 said:
You answered your self... on Engine... I really want to see US reaction once S-400 is procured... I feel that India is ready plan B... France and UK...

Tejas... it does not matter how much people make fun of this jet... but the truth is, "Tejas" is creating an aerospace industry in India... Delayed but successful...
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There is no doubt about it, India is learning valuable lessons on aviation and gaining much experiance on Tejas. One would have to be a fool not to believe that, what we do debate is the knight in shining armour and answer to all the IAF problems that many of the forum make it out to be. As a tech demonstrator and project to enhance Indian aerospace skills it can be deemed a success, as a mass produced, cheap replacement for the MIG-21 that it was set out to be it has failed.
 
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From IAF's Twitter

2 Tejas Mk1s from No.45 Squadron escorting a Netra AEW&C

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