HAL pegs price of Tejas fighter at Rs 162 crore

[SwAggeR]

the Tejas is significantly more advanced than the JF-17。。。。

lololo。。。

Indians feeling good about themselves for no reasons，again！

And you wanted to feel better about China without any reason ??

Go and compare the technical specs before firing blank shots to balm your ego.

 

[MehrotraPrince]

MIG-29 upgrade would be carried by HAL including engine would carried out by HAL after TOT.

That's the problem you are not reading fine lines, TOT is not about new engines neither about parts which are needed for upgrades. Only the service agency has changed from Russians to HAL, original parts manufacturer is till same, that means parts which are needed for upgrades are still coming from Russia and HAL will do fitting work. YES during upgrade HAL will also include avionics parts which are either built by HAL or other Indian companies. Rest every thing is Russian including new radars, engines....

 

[my2cents]

Welcome to the forum, child.

You will learn alot here..but I hope you channel your excitement in a positive way.

Also, why people are surprised here? I thought we knew all along that Tejas MK1 will be $25 to $30 million a piece.

Whats the big deal here?

Isn't that the strategy Pakistan is adopting by investing in some 200+ Jf17???

 

[IND151]

JF-17's stated combat range is 1352km and Tejas stated combat range is merely 300km...and thats a fact stated by the DEVELOPERS of both fighter aircrafts after testing and more testing.

similar weight, similar fuel capacity (lca carries slightly more), similar thrusts of engines and such a vast difference in combat randius. I am sure someone is lying!!!

JF-17's stated combat range is 1352km and Tejas stated combat range is merely 300km...and thats a fact stated by the DEVELOPERS of both fighter aircrafts after testing and more testing.

@Capt.Popeye @Manticore @sancho > Kindly tell why the difference between *(stated) combat radius is so huge.

 

[Manindra]

That's the problem you are not reading fine lines, TOT is not about new engines neither about parts which are needed for upgrades. Only the service agency has changed from Russians to HAL, original parts manufacturer is till same, that means parts which are needed for upgrades are still coming from Russia and HAL will do fitting work. YES during upgrade HAL will also include avionics parts which are either built by HAL or other Indian companies. Rest every thing is Russian including new radars, engines....

Engine would be assembled by HAL with local content & if we choose it for tejas then we got deep TOT which is lot more than we got in F-414 deal.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

LCA is a lost project against JF-17 Thunder now.

Massive hurdles and put offs in the LCA project has inflated his price..and thats very normal.

JF-17 block II with Inflight refueling, and superior integrated and improved avionics will still cost less than LCA block 1...

Its still funny indians claim it as their indigenous project......it was more foreign systems on board then JFT's

 

[MehrotraPrince]

Engine would be assembled by HAL with local content & if we choose it for tejas then we got deep TOT which is lot more than we got in F-414 deal.

Yes now you are right. We could have got more know how about RD-33 series had we opted for that, but then we chose the best engine and no need to say that GE engines are better than RD-33 in most of parameters if not all. In a decade or so (or may be before 2020 and that too fully certified and functional) we will have our own engine most probably through JV with France through Rafale.

 

[45'22']

@Capt.Popeye @Manticore @sancho > Kindly tell why the difference between *(stated) combat radius is so huge.

i was going thorugh certain articles......
some PAF pilots have said that 1352 km range comes with 3 drop tanks

simmilarly a jane's defence article states

Those radius and range figures are rather nebulous and not worth getting too excited about. The reason there's not much point getting excited about them, is because they are meaningless without considering what the assumptions behind them might be.

1352k combat radius, with what external loads? At what altitudes or combination of altitudes (hi lo hi - hi, hi, hi etc)? At what speeds and types of missions (lightly loaded interception missions or heavily loaded long range strike missions)?

The given combat radius for the F-16 for instance is 550k's. Seems a bit ordinary compared to the JF-17 doesn't it? Especially when the F-16 can carry more than 2000lbs greater internal fuel than the JF-17. So how do we solve this apparent conundrum?

Because the combat radius figure for the F-16C Block 30, assumes a hi lo hi flight profile, whilst carrying 6x 1000lb bombs and a pair of wingtip AAM's.

I suspect that 1352k "combat" radius is probably the best achievable combat radius with the most amount of fuel (including external fuel tanks) carried and limited to no ordnance beyond a pair of wingtip AAM's.

The JF-17 undoubtedly has sufficient range for it's operational role. That is enough for the users of the aircraft and should be good enough for everyone else too.

Read more: Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions - Page 157 - Defense Technology & Military Forum

 

[Secur]

Radar in Block II will remain the same, KLJ-7, albeit with up-gradation...

The range is going up , according to the project director in an interview given to Kanwa , to a maximum of 135 km for 5m^2 and the radar will be tweaked further to include more modes , improved EW and certain weapon integrations .

 

[AUz]

The range is going up , according to the project director in an interview given to Kanwa , to a maximum of 135 km for 5m^2 and the radar will be tweaked further to include more modes , improved EW and certain weapon integrations .

GREAT!

Can you give me the source for complete interview man?

I knew about the additional modes being added, did knew about the increased range.

135 km for 5m^2 RCS? Damn good!

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Now you understand my point.
RD series are cheaper
have commonity
have ready insfratructure for maintain
can manufacture all engine except Single crystal blisk
But we choose F-404 for quality.


Which part you develop Locally in JF-17
HUD, MFD, RAWS, MAWS, Radar, HMS, tyre, landing gear, engine, ejection seat, canopy, air brakes, brake parachute, ejection parachute, jet fuel starter, auxillary power unit, APU gearbox, paint, any ????

Don't say got to PAC website or JF-17 information pool or say our engineers work with Chinese.
Give source.

u really need to go there to learn kiddo.

 

[Secur]

GREAT!

Can you give me the source for complete interview man?

I knew about the additional modes being added, did knew about the increased range.

135 km for 5m^2 RCS? Damn good!

Tejas Needs to Cross 6 Milestones in 15 Months | Page 3

 

[holysaturn]

u really need to go there to learn kiddo.

And that is why he wants you to reply,please erase our ignorance with your wisdom.You can start with the LRUs pakistan designed.

 

[scientien]

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Well, in that case, getting ruled by Muslims...for atleast 500 years!...and getting your civilization, temples, and 'gods' destroyed by Muslim invaders..was a bigger humiliation. Also, the fact, that your hindu women were raped day and night by Muslims...and Muslim invaders like Tamerlane have explicitly written that only "hindu-women" were raped and those Hindus who joined Islam and "became our brothers" were treated as "we treat our brothers"

And no, getting "escorted" back to your nation by enemy planes is much, much more humiliating.

stick to TOPIC, MODERATORS take care of this troll please.

 

[IND151]

i was going thorugh certain articles......
some PAF pilots have said that 1352 km range comes with 3 drop tanks

simmilarly a jane's defence article states

Those radius and range figures are rather nebulous and not worth getting too excited about. The reason there's not much point getting excited about them, is because they are meaningless without considering what the assumptions behind them might be.

1352k combat radius, with what external loads? At what altitudes or combination of altitudes (hi lo hi - hi, hi, hi etc)? At what speeds and types of missions (lightly loaded interception missions or heavily loaded long range strike missions)?

The given combat radius for the F-16 for instance is 550k's. Seems a bit ordinary compared to the JF-17 doesn't it? Especially when the F-16 can carry more than 2000lbs greater internal fuel than the JF-17. So how do we solve this apparent conundrum?

Because the combat radius figure for the F-16C Block 30, assumes a hi lo hi flight profile, whilst carrying 6x 1000lb bombs and a pair of wingtip AAM's.

I suspect that 1352k "combat" radius is probably the best achievable combat radius with the most amount of fuel (including external fuel tanks) carried and limited to no ordnance beyond a pair of wingtip AAM's.

The JF-17 undoubtedly has sufficient range for it's operational role. That is enough for the users of the aircraft and should be good enough for everyone else too.

Read more: Pakistan Air Force [PAF] News and Discussions - Page 157 - Defense Technology & Military Forum

Good explanation.