HAL LCH| Updates and Discussions

[Im_a_bud_bud]

India will shortly test fly the indigenously designed and built Light Combat Helicopter (LCH), which will augment the IAF’s fleet of small and highly manoeuvrable rotary flying machines.

A ‘baby’ of the Bangalore-headquartered defence PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), the first prototype of LCH is expected to take to the skies between December 26 and December 29, a senior HAL official told PTI here on Monday.

HAL has already bagged a firm order to deliver 65 LCH to the IAF and 114 to the Army, company sources said.

Unlike HAL’s Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) “Dhruv” which has been described as broad and bloated, the LCH is very, very sleek. The new light chopper is currently undergoing functional tests, and is expected to be ready for ground run by December 24.

“It (LCH) is quite different from ALH in terms of configuration and structure,” the official closely associated with the project, said on condition of anonymity.

HAL hopes to obtain certification for LCH in 2012-13, and the delivery of the machines is expected from 2014-15.

LCH would also have a weaponised version, similar to ALH.

“There will be rocket pods, a machine gun and also an air-to-air missiles in the combat version of LCH. But in the first prototype all these features will not be there,” the official said.

HAL has also started design of a light observation helicopter (LOH) which would eventually replace the ageing fleet of Cheetah and Chetak helicopters which have been in service since 1978. “We have got about 600 of them (Cheetah and Chetak) in service now. They are reaching the end of their technical life as they have flown 60,000 hours or more,” he said.

Source: The Hindu : News / National : India to test fly light combat helicopters by month-end

And the govt is spending its money on this pos why? Shouldn't we allocate this resource where it's needed more such as health care and poverty? The more funds which go into those 2 areas the better, we have no time and money for this wasteful equipment.

 

[Spitfighter]

And the govt is spending its money on this pos why? Shouldn't we allocate this resource where it's needed more such as health care and poverty? The more funds which go into those 2 areas the better, we have no time and money for this wasteful equipment.

Since you clearly know so much about the budget, how about enlightening the rest of us as to what percent of the GDP we spend on defense, health care and social schemes.

The LCH hasn't even been tested yet, so no one really knows if its a POS or not. How exactly did you come to your conclusions?

Furthermore, since you understand our military doctrine so well, do explain why we would never need an attack chopper in the first place and if we do, why is it a bad idea to produce them locally?

Who do you think will come to India's defense should a war break out tomorrow? I understand that the health care system has severe shortcomings but institutional changes take time to gather momentum. These problems can't be solved just by throwing money at them. They require greater transparency, accountability and professionalism.

 

[Im_a_bud_bud]

Since you clearly know so much about the budget, how about enlightening the rest of us as to what percent of the GDP we spend on defense, health care and social schemes.

The LCH hasn't even been tested yet, so no one really knows if its a POS or not. How exactly did you come to your conclusions?

Furthermore, since you understand our military doctrine so well, do explain why we would never need an attack chopper in the first place and if we do, why is it a bad idea to produce them locally?

Who do you think will come to India's defense should a war break out tomorrow? I understand that the health care system has severe shortcomings but institutional changes take time to gather momentum. These problems can't be solved just by throwing money at them. They require greater transparency, accountability and professionalism.

Because a combat chopper isn't needed so much, which of our enemies have combat choppers being used on a mass scale? NAME THEM! Why bother in such a case, when acquiring a couple of heavy combat choppers would be sufficient. Clearly, you are an idiot when it comes to reading. I say the more budget that goes into healthcare, the better. Who cares about allocated spending, when don't we relocate spending and save where necessary. Don't start an argument when you don't know where you're taking it!!

 

[grey boy 2]

Because a combat chopper isn't needed so much, which of our enemies have combat choppers being used on a mass scale? NAME THEM! Why bother in such a case, when acquiring a couple of heavy combat choppers would be sufficient. Clearly, you are an idiot when it comes to reading. I say the more budget that goes into healthcare, the better. Who cares about allocated spending, when don't we relocate spending and save where necessary. Don't start an argument when you don't know where you're taking it!!

I second you, a rare sane Indian, Public health seems more important

than light combat helicopters for Indians now, here is how bad of

your Public health care spending of India;

This is less than some of the sub-Saharan African countries, a World Health Organization (WHO) study of 2007-08 has revealed.

India ranks 171 out of 175 in public health spending, says WHO study - India - The Times of India

 

[idune]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/13891-india-carry-out-test-flight-lch-soon.html

 

[sarthak]

I second you, a rare sane Indian, Public health seems more important

than light combat helicopters for Indians now, here is how bad of

your Public health care spending of India;

This is less than some of the sub-Saharan African countries, a World Health Organization (WHO) study of 2007-08 has revealed.

India ranks 171 out of 175 in public health spending, says WHO study - India - The Times of India

Hey greyboy. If you cant keep to the topic , go show your knowledge somewhere else.

Dont worry , we are very happy with our healthcare system. You need to worry about all types of flu which genertate in pig farms across your country and spread around the world.

Btw , we have thousands of private high tech hospitals in our country and they have agreed under a recent agreement to treat 25% of their patients free of cost.
Why to spend more on healthcare when there are private hospitals that are just as good.

 

[MZUBAIR]

And the govt is spending its money on this pos why? Shouldn't we allocate this resource where it's needed more such as health care and poverty? The more funds which go into those 2 areas the better, we have no time and money for this wasteful equipment.

I never heard such a good statement from an Indian.
The world should work to fight against poverty and should spend high on health.

I dont find any external threat for India, nither China nor Pakistan.
India is Nuclear power and its not a honey spoon for any country to become aggressive agiant it.

But yes India should also spent on its intelligence and secure its country from intrnal threats.

 

[Spitfighter]

Because a combat chopper isn't needed so much, which of our enemies have combat choppers being used on a mass scale? NAME THEM! Why bother in such a case, when acquiring a couple of heavy combat choppers would be sufficient. Clearly, you are an idiot when it comes to reading. I say the more budget that goes into healthcare, the better. Who cares about allocated spending, when don't we relocate spending and save where necessary. Don't start an argument when you don't know where you're taking it!!

It matters little as to whether our 'enemies' have combat choppers or not, the choppers are meant to augment our ground forces and establish battlefield dominance. FYI, China has hordes of combat helicopters.

Furthermore, India is trying to produce them locally, do you understand what that means? It means that they will be..

a) cheaper
b) provide jobs
c) allow us to actually sustain a war as opposed to being dependent on the whims of another nation.

Do you understand the complexities of our geopolitical situation or are you a brain dead hippy? India spends less than 2% of its GDP on defense, why is it then that you think we should reallocate our defense budget to other ends?

The health care system needs reform, no easy task for a country with more than a billion people, but that doesn't mean we should neglect other sectors, especially defense. Our defense budget (in %) is already the lowest in the region.

 

[shag]

So its being flown this month eh?
I just read the news at Indian Military site

 

[shag]

forget China。。。forget China。。。forget China。。。forget

You know he is correct! There is no media freedom in China. whats the smiley anime for?

 

[faithfulguy]

It matters little as to whether our 'enemies' have combat choppers or not, the choppers are meant to augment our ground forces and establish battlefield dominance. FYI, China has hordes of combat helicopters.

Furthermore, India is trying to produce them locally, do you understand what that means? It means that they will be..

a) cheaper
b) provide jobs
c) allow us to actually sustain a war as opposed to being dependent on the whims of another nation.

Do you understand the complexities of our geopolitical situation or are you a brain dead hippy? India spends less than 2% of its GDP on defense, why is it then that you think we should reallocate our defense budget to other ends?

The health care system needs reform, no easy task for a country with more than a billion people, but that doesn't mean we should neglect other sectors, especially defense. Our defense budget (in %) is already the lowest in the region.

I agree that India should just purchase existing platforms as India doesn't need that many helicoptors. Why spend all these money developing a system when all the major military suppliers would sell India advance weaponry? The existing platform are proven, easier to procure and reliable. Not saying that the LCH is not reliable but it would take time to develop a technology when India doesn't have experience when producing combat helicoptor. buying existing ones make more sense.

 

[shchinese]

already a recent and very active thread on this exact same topic.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/16686-indias-light-combat-helicopter-lch.html

I thus reported this thread to be merged/locked/deleted.

 

[BlackSonic]

already a recent and very active thread on this exact same topic.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/16686-indias-light-combat-helicopter-lch.html

I thus reported this thread to be merged/locked/deleted.

Thanks, hey can you tell me how to report a troll? I mean where is the report button?

 

[DeathGod]

Thanks, hey can you tell me how to report a troll? I mean where is the report button?

Go the extreme left of any post where user information can be seen.The report button is the exclamation mark, adjacent to your online/offline status bulb and below the Thanks/Thanked section

 

[gubbi]

buying existing ones make more sense.

in the short run, yes. But in the long run, the technologies developed in house, the potential to master new technologies (not re-inventing the wheel but say coating it with new rubber!), create new jobs, new industries etc will prove far more beneficial. China started with blatantly copying foreign technologies and now it can somewhat develop its own inhouse technologies. All this created jobs, built up an industrial base.
India already has technological base, albeit a small one, but we do lack a strong industrial base. And that shortcoming is what we are looking to overcome.