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you just proved to be a liar.You must have the IQ of a stone. Literarily.
No, there was no wind. Just massive rainfall and a massive storm with big winds. Numerous Youtube videos of people on the scene that filmed it while it happened confirms it. But of course you are going to dispute that as well. Such cranes don't collapse unless there are extreme weather conditions.
Of course this was deliberate. 100 similar cranes and only 1 happened to collapse. An inside job indeed.
You do realize that fires occur daily all over Iran and in most countries of the world? That Makkah is currently home to 5 million people right now. That's the population of Denmark. You telling me that there have been no fires in the past 3 weeks in Denmark for instance?
It was the only hotel fire so far and there were zero casualties. It was caused by Yemeni pilgrims. Obviously not deliberately but using your twisted logic it was probably deliberate.
Which can happen when you have 2.5 million pilgrims who use transports. There were zero casualties as well and it was quickly corrected.
There have been no official investigation yet. You have so far numerous theories based on various witness accounts. Very few are consistent.
Yes, it was all deliberate.
I guess this was deliberate too.
At Least 845 Pilgrims Die in Stampede in Baghdad - latimes
And those 30 or so stampedes in India during religious gatherings.
Category:Human stampedes in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I take my initial words back. A stone is more intelligent than you.
BTW. Those 4 Saudi Arabia (Shia pilgrims visiting Mashhad - 3 children) that were murdered (using your logic), what happened with that case? Care to inform me again?
Saudi Shiite pilgrims die of poisoning in Iran hotel | The Times of Israel
At least this was done by KSA after the freak crane collapse.
Compensation for victims
King Salman of Saudi Arabia ordered that a million Saudi riyal (US$266,000) be paid as compensation to the families of those who died in the crane collapse, and that two relatives of each of the deceased are to be the King's guests for Hajj in 2016. The Saudi King has further ordered a million Riyals to be paid to each victim of the collapse with a permanent disability, and half a million riyal (US$133,000) to be paid to as compensation to collapse victims without lasting injuries.[57][58] King Salman also decreed that these compensation payments will not prevent private legal claims by the injured and families of the deceased.[59]
Mecca crane collapse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't know how I can put this in the most civilized manner as possible after such a tragedy to a few of you Farsis in this thread. That you even dare to utter the word "deliberate" and use this tragedy to score some cheap political points shows how low your regime is and its supporters (people like you).
Kindly keep your "theories" for yourself.
you just proved to be a liar.
The CCTV footage of that yard doesn't show any wind, not a single clothes wont shake. people are standing in the open area without being worry about any wind. if wind was the cause then that crane should have fallen during the wind flow, not few minutes after it.
about Baghdad, a false alarm about terrorists attack has been the cause of panic, so we can very well say Ale-Saud is the cause of that incident too. the whole world knows what ideology these terrorists have and which country is advertising it in the world.
and about current incident, Saudi security forces have redirected the pilgrims to another door which has been closed, several thousands people were waiting for the door to be opened, it's not hard to guess what would happen when this number of people want to enter an small door all together. and that's why I believe its an act of murder.
-July 2, 1990: A stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel (Al-Ma'aisim tunnel) leading out from Mecca towards Mina, Saudi Arabia and the Plains of Arafat led to the deaths of 1,426 pilgrims.
-May 23, 1994: 270 people were killed at Jamarat Bridge in Mecca during the stoning of the Devil.
-April 9, 1998: At least 118 Hajj pilgrims were trampled to death and 180 injured in an incident on Jamarat Bridge in Mecca.
-March 5, 2001: 35 Hajj pilgrims were trampled to death in a stampede during the Stoning of the Devil ritual in Mina, Saudi Arabia.
-February 11, 2003: The Stoning of the Devil ritual claimed 14 pilgrims' lives.
-February 1, 2004: 251 people were killed at Jamarat Bridge in Mecca during the stoning of the devil.
-January 12, 2006: 345 were killed at Jamarat Bridge in Mecca during the stoning of the devil.
-September 24, 2015: At least 717 Muslim pilgrims killed in Mina, Saudi Arabia in a stampede during the Haj pilgrimage. A further 805 were injured. The overall number of pilgrims is around 2 million according to the Saudi authorities.
List of human stampedes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Always the same place, its happening since decades but nothing changed it seems, theres obviously a problem with the organisation.
Millions of people congregate in Tongi, Dhaka every year for Ijtema, there is rarely anyone killed in incidents considering the poor infrastructure conditions.
I am surprised at the continuous loss of life in Hajj, strangely it happened near a large concentration of Iranian pilgrims.
Second largest Muslim gathering closes in Bangladesh | Islamic World | Worldbulletin News
Millions of Muslims gather in Bangladesh| Reuters
every fool knows weather information isn't global. just because there has been wind or rain in that region and in that part of the day, it doesn't mean it's the same condition in every minutes and every part of the region.Are you blind? The video CLEARLY shows heavy winds and that a storm took place. The crane would not have collapsed just due to rain as it had rained on previous days as well before that crane (1 out of 100 that exist) collapsed.
Oh, wait I forgot that Youtube is banned in Iran so you can't watch the video likely.
The only ignorant and liar here is you.
Here is an article from WEATHER.COM a leading weather channel on the internet.
http://www.weather.com/news/news/mecca-crane-collapse
Storms were present at the time of the crane collapse, according to enhanced satellite imagery.
Yes, and the fact that your country has an economy smaller than 10 million big UAE and a lower GDP (nominal) per capita than the average Angolan is also the fault of KSA.
Those well over deadly 30 stampedes which have killed 1000's upon 1000's of people in India were also the fault of KSA.
Nothing is confirmed. There are contradictory witness accounts and no report has been conducted. You are just writing theories (biased obviously) and nothing more than that.
A similar number of pilgrims were gathered on Wednesday and nothing happened. Nothing had changed on Thursday. I posted photo of the pilgrims in post 65 taken on Wednesday.
9 years without any accidents and now suddenly the regime decided to kill pilgrims (among them likely many, many locals not that there is a difference) just because Mohsen from Iran says so.
Have some shame.
BTW you did not reply. What has happened with those 4 Saudi Arabian Shia pilgrims (among them 3 children) that were murdered (using your logic) in Iran, in early June? Have the culprit even been punished? Was compensation given?
every fool knows weather information isn't global. just because there has been wind or rain in that region and in that part of the day, it doesn't mean it's the same condition in every minutes and every part of the region.
who you are trying to fool? that air flow in your video is the result of impact and only can be seen in that place, not any other part of the yard. if you can show us your imaginary strong wind in the below video:
http://www.mizanonline.ir/files/fa/news/1394/6/23/112165_213.flv
you really want to compare 4 dead pilgrims in Iran with 2000 dead pilgrims in KSA during 5 incidents? good luck with your mentality.
every fool knows weather information isn't global. just because there has been wind or rain in that region and in that part of the day, it doesn't mean it's the same condition in every minutes and every part of the region.
who you are trying to fool? that air flow in your video is the result of impact and only can be seen in that place, not any other part of the yard. if you can show us your imaginary strong wind in the below video:
http://www.mizanonline.ir/files/fa/news/1394/6/23/112165_213.flv
you really want to compare 4 dead pilgrims in Iran with 2000 dead pilgrims in KSA during 5 incidents? good luck with your mentality.
In Iran's situation, we, neither the government or us at PDF, didn't try to blame the victims, nor did we brush it off as "it happens". The fault was placed on ourselves (not Saudi victims), the hotel owner was arrested, and compensation was paid. The saudi victims death was treated as important as if they were Iranian deaths.
In Iran's situation, we, neither the government or us at PDF, didn't try to blame the victims, nor did we brush it off as "it happens". The fault was placed on ourselves (not Saudi victims), the hotel owner was arrested, and compensation was paid. The saudi victims death was treated as important as if they were Iranian deaths.
I think its time an external body oversees the work of the Hajj Organizers. The number of lives lost in stampede, crane collapse, and what not is simply unacceptable.
It seems the theory of learning curve do not apply to the hosts of the event organizers.
I think its time an external body oversees the work of the Hajj Organizers. The number of lives lost in stampede, crane collapse, and what not is simply unacceptable.
It seems the theory of learning curve do not apply to the hosts of the event organizers.
Millions of people congregate in Tongi, Dhaka every year for Ijtema, there is rarely anyone killed in incidents considering the poor infrastructure conditions.
I am surprised at the continuous loss of life in Hajj, strangely this time it appears to happen near a large concentration of Iranian pilgrims.
Second largest Muslim gathering closes in Bangladesh | Islamic World | Worldbulletin News
Millions of Muslims gather in Bangladesh| Reuters
Such a cheap way of making propaganda by playing with dead bodies.
Stretching the right hand of a dead body out and straightening the index finger by force, while the body has gone into rigor mortis (therefore holding the position) is vile, sick and below all interpretations of humanity.
Instead of these kind of propaganda, Saudis should transparently explain why 131+ Iranians and 236+ Pakistanis were killed along with hundreds of others from Muslim world in matter of minutes.
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