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the container you guys yesterday opened two of them and we could identify 40 more poligrims .
Hajj Stampede, 700+ pilgrims died.
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saudi authority have published 1200 hajis died in stamped
Saturday, September 26, 2015
Mina Stampede: Can Recurring Hajj Tragedies Be Prevented?
My friend Khan is in Makkah for Hajj yet again. He says he was in Mina for Ramy al-Jamarat (Ritual Stoning of the Devil) when a tragic stampede claimed nearly a thousand lives this year. Besides those killed, more than 800 were reported injured. It was the deadliest day for the Hajj since more than 1,400 pilgrims suffocated in a crowded tunnel near Mecca in 1990, also on the day of the stoning of the devil ritual, according to a National Geographic report.
Even though Hajj is required only once in a lifetime, my pious friend Khan has far exceeded this requirement. He has been to Mecca for the annual pilgrimage every year for more than a decade. He proudly announces his presence in Mecca and posts his Hajj pictures on Facebook as his Hajj count rises every year.
While I admire Khan's annual reaffirmation of faith, I also question whether he is contributing to the rising crowds and recurring tragedies in Makkah. Let me explain:
The Problem:
As the world's Muslim population has grown to nearly 2 billion people and the faithful enjoy rising incomes and easy access to air travel, there has been a tremendous increase in the number of people performing Hajj. The rituals associated with it require the presence of all of the pilgrims in a relatively small space within a short period of time. This requirement puts tremendous pressure on the Saudi government to ensure flawless movement of millions of pilgrims. There is very little margin for error. Even small errors of the administrators or poor judgment of only a few of the millions of pilgrims in this monumental exercise get amplified leading to major loss of life. This has become almost a regular feature of Hajj with tragic deaths.
Possible Solutions:
The obvious include adding more capacity to handle more pilgrims and/or limiting the number of people permitted to perform Hajj each year.
1. Adding Capacity:
The Saudi government has been spending tens of billions of dollars to increase capacity at the Grand Mosque in Makkah, the tent city in Mina and the Jamarat where the stampede occurred as pilgrims prepared to throw pebbles at three pillars representing big, medium and small Satan. More levels have been added around the Grand Mosque for tawaf (circling around the Kaba). The height of the Jamarat has been increased and a multi-level structure built to accommodate more people simultaneously.
Mina Tent City
A large number of cranes visible in Makkah confirm the continuing massive construction projects undertaken by the Saudi government. In fact, the earlier deaths in the Grand Mosque occurred when one of the construction cranes crashed down on the people performing Tawaf around the Kaba.
2. Limit Pilgrims:
Since Hajj is required to be performed only once in a lifetime, it makes sense for the Saudi government to limit how often visas/permissions are granted to people to perform Hajj. In my view, the Saudis should impose once in five years restriction on issuance of Hajj visas.
In addition, the Saudis should enlist the help of religious leaders to persuade pilgrims to stagger the pebble-throwing ritual. Many pilgrims, particularly those from South Asia region, believe that they must follow the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) by doing Jamarat (pebble throwing) at zawal time, the time between Zuhr (high noon) and Asr (mid-afternoon). This limits the amount of time for this ritual to just a few hours. The religious leaders should issue fatwas (edicts) making it permissible to do Jamarat any time from sunrise to sunset. This will reduce the number of people present near the Jamarat and reduce the chances of tragic stampedes.
Crowd Control Examples:
Specific circumstances for each tragic incident at Hajj may vary but the underlying cause remains the same: Capacity overload with too many people in a single space at one time. There'll be more such incidents unless this underlying cause is addressed.
In more developed nations of the West, maximum capacities are posted for all venues. These are strictly enforced for safety reasons. The closest thing to Hajj crowds in California is Disneyland with maximum capacity of 65,000 people. When more than 65,000 people showed up for Disneyland's Diamond Jubilee celebration earlier this year, Disney management closed the park. When Eid crowd exceeded capacity at Santa Clara Convention Center last year, the city Fire Department ordered everyone out to enforce the fire code.
Summary:
Urgent actions are needed to prevent more and bigger Hajj tragedies with increasing Muslim population and greater demand for Hajj. Increasing capacity alone will not work; the Saudis must also limit the number of people permittec to perform Hajj each year. These actions will make Hajj safe for all in future years.
Saturday, September 26, 2015
Mina Stampede: Can Recurring Hajj Tragedies Be Prevented?
My friend Khan is in Makkah for Hajj yet again. He says he was in Mina for Ramy al-Jamarat (Ritual Stoning of the Devil) when a tragic stampede claimed nearly a thousand lives this year. Besides those killed, more than 800 were reported injured. It was the deadliest day for the Hajj since more than 1,400 pilgrims suffocated in a crowded tunnel near Mecca in 1990, also on the day of the stoning of the devil ritual, according to a National Geographic report.
Even though Hajj is required only once in a lifetime, my pious friend Khan has far exceeded this requirement. He has been to Mecca for the annual pilgrimage every year for more than a decade. He proudly announces his presence in Mecca and posts his Hajj pictures on Facebook as his Hajj count rises every year.
While I admire Khan's annual reaffirmation of faith, I also question whether he is contributing to the rising crowds and recurring tragedies in Makkah. Let me explain:
The Problem:
As the world's Muslim population has grown to nearly 2 billion people and the faithful enjoy rising incomes and easy access to air travel, there has been a tremendous increase in the number of people performing Hajj. The rituals associated with it require the presence of all of the pilgrims in a relatively small space within a short period of time. This requirement puts tremendous pressure on the Saudi government to ensure flawless movement of millions of pilgrims. There is very little margin for error. Even small errors of the administrators or poor judgment of only a few of the millions of pilgrims in this monumental exercise get amplified leading to major loss of life. This has become almost a regular feature of Hajj with tragic deaths.
Possible Solutions:
The obvious include adding more capacity to handle more pilgrims and/or limiting the number of people permitted to perform Hajj each year.
1. Adding Capacity:
The Saudi government has been spending tens of billions of dollars to increase capacity at the Grand Mosque in Makkah, the tent city in Mina and the Jamarat where the stampede occurred as pilgrims prepared to throw pebbles at three pillars representing big, medium and small Satan. More levels have been added around the Grand Mosque for tawaf (circling around the Kaba). The height of the Jamarat has been increased and a multi-level structure built to accommodate more people simultaneously.
Mina Tent City
A large number of cranes visible in Makkah confirm the continuing massive construction projects undertaken by the Saudi government. In fact, the earlier deaths in the Grand Mosque occurred when one of the construction cranes crashed down on the people performing Tawaf around the Kaba.
2. Limit Pilgrims:
Since Hajj is required to be performed only once in a lifetime, it makes sense for the Saudi government to limit how often visas/permissions are granted to people to perform Hajj. In my view, the Saudis should impose once in five years restriction on issuance of Hajj visas.
In addition, the Saudis should enlist the help of religious leaders to persuade pilgrims to stagger the pebble-throwing ritual. Many pilgrims, particularly those from South Asia region, believe that they must follow the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) by doing Jamarat (pebble throwing) at zawal time, the time between Zuhr (high noon) and Asr (mid-afternoon). This limits the amount of time for this ritual to just a few hours. The religious leaders should issue fatwas (edicts) making it permissible to do Jamarat any time from sunrise to sunset. This will reduce the number of people present near the Jamarat and reduce the chances of tragic stampedes.
Crowd Control Examples:
Specific circumstances for each tragic incident at Hajj may vary but the underlying cause remains the same: Capacity overload with too many people in a single space at one time. There'll be more such incidents unless this underlying cause is addressed.
In more developed nations of the West, maximum capacities are posted for all venues. These are strictly enforced for safety reasons. The closest thing to Hajj crowds in California is Disneyland with maximum capacity of 65,000 people. When more than 65,000 people showed up for Disneyland's Diamond Jubilee celebration earlier this year, Disney management closed the park. When Eid crowd exceeded capacity at Santa Clara Convention Center last year, the city Fire Department ordered everyone out to enforce the fire code.
Summary:
Urgent actions are needed to prevent more and bigger Hajj tragedies with increasing Muslim population and greater demand for Hajj. Increasing capacity alone will not work; the Saudis must also limit the number of people permittec to perform Hajj each year. These actions will make Hajj safe for all in future years.
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Hajj stampede: Saudi Arabian officials clarify toll after questions
Saudi officials have denied reports that more than 1,000 people were killed in a stampede near Mecca last week while undertaking the Hajj pilgrimage.
A Nigerian official told the BBC the bodies of 1,075 victims had been taken to mortuaries in the city of Jeddah - higher than the official toll of 769.
Other countries also said they had been sent the photos of some 1,090 bodies.
But the Saudi officials said the photos included unidentified people who died at the Hajj - not just in the stampede.
Spokesman Maj Gen Mansour al-Turki told the Associated Press that some were foreign nationals who lived in Saudi Arabia and carried out the Hajj without the required permits.
Others were among the 109 people who were killed when a crane collapsed at the Grand Mosque in Mecca on 11 September, he said.
Confusion about how many people died in last week's stampede mounted after Indian Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj tweeted on Sunday that the Saudi authorities had released photos of 1,090 pilgrims who died.
Pakistani and Indonesian officials also indicated that they have been sent more than 1,000 such images.
On Tuesday, a Nigerian Hajj official from Kano, Abba Yakubu, told the BBC's Yusuf Ibrahim Yakasai that he had been to Jeddah, where the dead from the stampede were being processed.
Mr Yakubu said that in total, 14 lorries loaded with bodies were brought to the city.
He added that so far 1,075 bodies had been offloaded from 10 lorries and taken into the morgues. Four lorries had yet to be dealt with, Mr Yakubu said.
Several countries have been severely critical of the way the Saudi authorities have handled the accident's aftermath, notably Saudi Arabia's regional rival Iran, which lost at least 228 people in the disaster.
The stampede was the deadliest incident to hit the Hajj in 25 years.
The crush occurred as two large groups of pilgrims converged at right angles as they took part in the Hajj's last major rite - stone-throwing at pillars called Jamarat, where Satan is believed to have tempted the Prophet Abraham.
As well as the fatalities, 934 people were injured.
Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric, Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin-Abdullah al-Sheikh, has defended the authorities, saying the stampede was "beyond human control".
King Salman has ordered a safety review into the disaster.
Deaths reported so far by nationality
- Iran: at least 228
- Morocco: 87 (media reports)
- Egypt: 74
- India: 45
- Pakistan: 44
- Cameroon: at least 20
- Niger: at least 19
- Chad: 11
- Somalia: 8 (media reports)
- Senegal: 5
- Algeria: 4
- Tanzania: 4
- Turkey: 4
- Indonesia: 3
- Kenya: 3
- Nigeria: 3
- Netherlands: 1
- Burundi: 1
- Burkina Faso: 1
- Other nationalities (numbers not yet known): Benin
Hajj stampede: Saudi officials clarify toll after questions - BBC News
Let us hope that they are right. A very unfortunate accident.
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you know what is strange , Amir of Kuwait and Sheikh al Azhar admiring of your performance of haj ... that's make our sources different ...
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Iran warns 'fierce' reaction if Saudi does not return hajj dead - Yahoo News
"Saudi officials are failing to do their duties," Khamenei said in a speech to graduating navy officers, following delays in the return of at least 239 Iranian bodies, accusing some of them of "slyness".
"They should know that the slightest disrespect towards tens of thousands of Iranian pilgrims in Mecca and Medina and not fulfilling their obligation to transfer holy bodies, will have Iran's tough and fierce reaction."
The comments underscored Iran's increased frustration at Saudi Arabia's refusal to allow a cargo plane into the kingdom to retrieve the dead and take them back to Tehran.
"The Islamic Republic of Iran has so far showed self-restraint and abided by Islamic politeness and brotherhood," Khamenei added, urging the formation of a fact-finding committee among Islamic countries to investigate the causes of the stampede.
"Saudi officials are failing to do their duties," Khamenei said in a speech to graduating navy officers, following delays in the return of at least 239 Iranian bodies, accusing some of them of "slyness".
"They should know that the slightest disrespect towards tens of thousands of Iranian pilgrims in Mecca and Medina and not fulfilling their obligation to transfer holy bodies, will have Iran's tough and fierce reaction."
The comments underscored Iran's increased frustration at Saudi Arabia's refusal to allow a cargo plane into the kingdom to retrieve the dead and take them back to Tehran.
"The Islamic Republic of Iran has so far showed self-restraint and abided by Islamic politeness and brotherhood," Khamenei added, urging the formation of a fact-finding committee among Islamic countries to investigate the causes of the stampede.
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This is a picture after 2004 stampede in which the tractors are collecting the trash and belongings of people and not the bodies. Mr. Tarek Fatah,a hater of Islam and has been known to ignite hatred between different sects of muslims has done a photoshop and mixed this picture with a picture showing pile of martyrs after this Mina stampede claiming that the bodies were being collected by tractors.
Unfortunately many brothers and sisters are sharing and posting these images without doing any research.
Look at the jamrat in this picture. This was Jamrat till 2005. All those who have been there know that now jamrat has been converted to walls and a 5 floor structure.
As regards the pile of bodies , yes it was the situation after the incident itself . The pile was not made by machines. That is how people got martyred after falling over one another. The bodies were then removed by human volunteers and security forces by their hands and not any tractor.
Any one still in doubt can Google this image and can see himself the reality.
My point is don't let yourself used by those who want to create differences among muslims and want to humiliate and make dun of our religious events.
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Iran’s health minister: Hajj stampede ‘was out of Saudi’s control’
During the meeting, both Ministers discussed bilateral relations and the current medical situation of Iranian pilgrims. (SPA)
By Staff Writer | Al Arabiya News
Thursday, 1 October 2015
Saudi Arabia Minister of Health Khalid bin Abdulaziz Al-Falih met with his Iranian counterpart Hassan Hashimi on Thursday to discuss the incident of the Hajj stampede.
During the meeting, both Ministers discussed bilateral relations, in addition to the current medical situation of Iranian pilgrims, mechanisms to transport those who passed away during the Mina stampede incident, and following up on the medical treatments of those injured and hospitalized.
Al-Falih conveyed the condolences of Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud to the Iranian government and the families of the deceased, asserting Saudi Arabia’s willingness to cooperate with the Iranian government on all measures.
For his part, the Iranian minister hailed Saudi efforts, response in dealing with the incident and providing all medical and ambulance services to all the victims, expressing an understanding of the difficult task undertaken by the Saudi government and the services it accords during the Hajj season and the dedication in carrying them out.
The parties agreed to transport the bodies of the dead Iranians who were identified as soon as possible and continue to communicate to identify the rest and take care of the situation of the injured.
At the end of the meeting the Iranian Minister of Health Hassan Hashemi said the stampede was “something out of people's control.”
Last Update: Thursday, 1 October 2015 KSA 15:12 - GMT 12:12
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...s-retake-control-of-Kunduz-from-Taliban-.html
During the meeting, both Ministers discussed bilateral relations and the current medical situation of Iranian pilgrims. (SPA)
By Staff Writer | Al Arabiya News
Thursday, 1 October 2015
Saudi Arabia Minister of Health Khalid bin Abdulaziz Al-Falih met with his Iranian counterpart Hassan Hashimi on Thursday to discuss the incident of the Hajj stampede.
During the meeting, both Ministers discussed bilateral relations, in addition to the current medical situation of Iranian pilgrims, mechanisms to transport those who passed away during the Mina stampede incident, and following up on the medical treatments of those injured and hospitalized.
Al-Falih conveyed the condolences of Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud to the Iranian government and the families of the deceased, asserting Saudi Arabia’s willingness to cooperate with the Iranian government on all measures.
For his part, the Iranian minister hailed Saudi efforts, response in dealing with the incident and providing all medical and ambulance services to all the victims, expressing an understanding of the difficult task undertaken by the Saudi government and the services it accords during the Hajj season and the dedication in carrying them out.
The parties agreed to transport the bodies of the dead Iranians who were identified as soon as possible and continue to communicate to identify the rest and take care of the situation of the injured.
At the end of the meeting the Iranian Minister of Health Hassan Hashemi said the stampede was “something out of people's control.”
Last Update: Thursday, 1 October 2015 KSA 15:12 - GMT 12:12
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...s-retake-control-of-Kunduz-from-Taliban-.html
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al-ebryia is not considered a credible source outside KSA and Co. Land.Iran’s health minister: Hajj stampede ‘was out of Saudi’s control’
During the meeting, both Ministers discussed bilateral relations and the current medical situation of Iranian pilgrims. (SPA)
By Staff Writer | Al Arabiya News
Thursday, 1 October 2015
Saudi Arabia Minister of Health Khalid bin Abdulaziz Al-Falih met with his Iranian counterpart Hassan Hashimi on Thursday to discuss the incident of the Hajj stampede.
During the meeting, both Ministers discussed bilateral relations, in addition to the current medical situation of Iranian pilgrims, mechanisms to transport those who passed away during the Mina stampede incident, and following up on the medical treatments of those injured and hospitalized.
Al-Falih conveyed the condolences of Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud to the Iranian government and the families of the deceased, asserting Saudi Arabia’s willingness to cooperate with the Iranian government on all measures.
For his part, the Iranian minister hailed Saudi efforts, response in dealing with the incident and providing all medical and ambulance services to all the victims, expressing an understanding of the difficult task undertaken by the Saudi government and the services it accords during the Hajj season and the dedication in carrying them out.
The parties agreed to transport the bodies of the dead Iranians who were identified as soon as possible and continue to communicate to identify the rest and take care of the situation of the injured.
At the end of the meeting the Iranian Minister of Health Hassan Hashemi said the stampede was “something out of people's control.”
Last Update: Thursday, 1 October 2015 KSA 15:12 - GMT 12:12
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...s-retake-control-of-Kunduz-from-Taliban-.html
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Hajj stampede killed THREE TIMES the number of deaths reported by Saudi Arabia: New figures find that 2,411 pilgrims were crushed to death
- Official Saudi death toll of September disaster is 769
- Saudi has dismissed efforts by others to join a probe into the deaths
- Crush occurred when two waves of pilgrims converged on a narrow road
PUBLISHED: 01:58 EST, 10 December 2015 | UPDATED: 16:57 EST, 10 December 2015
A stampede during the hajj in Saudi Arabia in September killed at least 2,411 pilgrims, according to a new count, some three times the number of deaths acknowledge by the kingdom.
Figures compiled by the Associated Press established that the crush at Mina was the deadliest in the history of the annual pilgrimage.
Saudi Arabia rebuffed criticism from its regional rival Iran and efforts by other countries to join a probe into the deaths. Although King Salman ordered an investigation into the tragedy almost immediately, few details have been made public since.
Muslim pilgrims and first responders gather around bodies of people crushed in Mina, Saudi Arabia during the annual hajj pilgrimage, after thousands of pilgrims were killed
Dismissed: Saudi Arabia rebuffed criticism from its regional rival Iran and efforts by other countries to join a probe into the deaths
The count by the Associated Press is based on state media reports and officials' comments from 36 of the over 180 countries that sent citizens to the hajj. Hundreds of pilgrims remain missing. The official Saudi toll of 769 people killed has not changed since Sept. 26, and officials there have yet to address the discrepancy.
The state-run Saudi Press Agency has not mentioned the investigation into the disaster since Oct. 19, when it reported that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, who is also the kingdom's interior minister, was 'reassured on the progress of the investigations.'
The crown prince is the next in line to the throne and any blame cast on the Interior Ministry, which oversees safety during the hajj, could reflect negatively on him.
The ruling Al Saud family maintains its major influence in the Muslim world through its oil wealth and its management of Islam's holiest sites. Like Saudi monarchs before him, King Salman has taken the title of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques.
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Not changed: The official Saudi toll of 769 people killed has not changed since Sept. 26, and officials there have yet to address the discrepancy
Crushed: Muslim pilgrims circle the Kaaba, the cubic building at the Grand Mosque in in the holy city of Mecca
Authorities have said the Mina crush and stampede occurred when two waves of pilgrims converged on a narrow road, suffocating or trampling to death those caught in the disaster. Saudi Arabia has spent billions of dollars on crowd control and safety measures for those attending the annual five-day pilgrimage, required of all able-bodied Muslims once in their life, but the sheer number of participants makes ensuring their safety difficult.
The hajj this year drew some two million pilgrims, though in recent years it has drawn more than 3 million without any major incidents.
Iran was most affected by the disaster, according to the AP count, with 464 Iranian pilgrims killed. Mali said it lost 305 people, while Nigeria lost 274 and 190 pilgrims from Egypt were killed.
Hajj stampede killed THREE TIMES the number of deaths reported by Saudi Arabia | Daily Mail Online
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36 out of 180 countries? and Hundreds of pilgrims remain missing? I think the report is completely wrong and biased .. how dare you to accuse the custodian of the two holy mosques of lying?
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