'Hagia Sophia might be converted to a mosque': Erdogan

[nahtanbob]

See, that's no argument.

all the territories historically ruled by the Ottomans are relatively backward now. in fact modern turkey is an exception to the rule.
is there a particular reason ?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Why would a Christian nation want to live under the rule of the Ottoman empire? Wtf man? Ottoman empire was backward and repressive, most of the revolution powers in Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia rose up exactly durring the "Tanzimat". Get real. And if it wasnt for the foregin powers UK and France, Russia would have finished with the ottomans once and for all before 20th century. So you should thank them not to blame.

Yes, revolting against Ottomans fixed all your problems and now Bulgaria is a super power.

You can only blame Turks for so much. For their time, Ottomans were one of the most technologically advanced and sophisticated empires in the world.

Most of your culture even now is based on Turks.

Each empire has a declining period, but Christians made it bloody and genocidal hell for all of Eastern Europe.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Jaziya... was paid by Non-Muslims ADULT MALE ONLY... A lower tax than Zakat that was paid by ALL Muslims (Woman, kids, Man etc)... Ottomans did not introduce it... it's was like that since Day 1 in Islam...

Why so much ignorance...why letting yourself get laugh at...don't you feel ashamed at the image you give to your people/country?
FFS read... use that brain of yours and that Parent money education a bit instead of reading 2 lines on a retarded blog/synopsis of an unknown author... Open The Books that your are criticizing... stop this retardness behavior and grow up...

I will not even go into depth about Non-Muslims "privilege"... like They CAN GOVERN UPON THEIR OWN LAWS... Bible for the Christians and Torah for the Jews... or that the Islamic Ruler had to not get his own "non-Muslim" citizen as soldiers... and list goes on...

Don't ever put your barbaric Christian era with Our Islamic one...you are no match... even intellectuals don't even dare go there...

 

[nahtanbob]

Yes, revolting against Ottomans fixed all your problems and now Bulgaria is a super power.

You can only blame Turks for so much. For their time, Ottomans were one of the most technologically advanced and sophisticated empires in the world.

When were the Ottomans technologically advanced and sophisticated empires in the world ? what time frame are you talking about ?

 

[Nevsky]

You are talking about a violent Bulgarian uprising that targeted anything Muslim, it was a time ethnic terrorist's (everywhere) took advantage of a weakening empire.

"Bulgarian Revolutionary Central Committee meeting protocols from 17th of April 1876 chaired by Benkovski discuss on taking action against the Turkish and Muslim population in mixed regions opposing the uprising. These actions include killing, arson of property and homes and seizure of assets."

Once a vandal, always a vandal. Your attitude against Muslim's, Turk's still continue today. I hope, we see a Turkish uprising in Bulgaria.

There were peaceful victims during all revolutions all around the world, it is what is.The biggest victims were the organizations of the Uprising and their supporters. But that was their plan at first place, to sacrifice himself, so Russia and other world powers finally help us. And no, no "turkish" uprising will happen, most of the Muslims here see themselves as a Bulgarians, not as a turks.Soon or later all of the Muslims in the Balkans will understand that Muslim is not equal to Turk, espllayialy to a modern day Turkey.

 

[DejanSRB]

Jaziya... was paid by Non-Muslims ADULT MALE ONLY... A lower tax than Zakat that was paid by ALL Muslims (Woman, kids, Man etc)... Ottomans did not introduce it... it's was like that since Day 1 in Islam...

Why so much ignorance...why letting yourself get laugh at...don't you feel ashamed at the image you give to your people/country?
FFS read... use that brain of yours and that Parent money education a bit instead of reading 2 lines on a retarded blog/synopsis of an unknown author... Open The Books that your are criticizing... stop this retardness behavior and grow up...

I will not even go into depth about Non-Muslims "privilege"... like They CAN GOVERN UPON THEIR OWN LAWS... Bible for the Christians and Torah for the Jews... or that the Islamic Ruler had to not get his own "non-Muslim" citizen as soldiers... and list goes on...

Don't ever put your barbaric Christian era with Our Islamic one...you are no match... even intellectuals don't even dare go there...

Please, educate yourself. I cannot read these schizophrenic "...." texts. And btw Serbian population in middle ages never had a contact with muslims before Ottomans so they dont know what jizya is or from which date it existed.

So please, gtfo from me, you retarded ignorence and your non existential BASIC GRAMMARY education just make me nervous. And thats why you live in BARBARIC christian country but no Golden islamic country. Thats why u write in English, on internet made by west on PC or laptop made by west, and all around you are western product.

So please, gtfo. And do yourself a favor. Learn how to fu*king write.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Please, educate yourself. I cannot read these schizophrenic "...." texts. And btw Serbian population in middle ages never had a contact with muslims before Ottomans so they dont know what jizya is or from which date it existed.

So please, gtfo from me, you retarded ignorence and your non existential BASIC GRAMMARY education just make me nervous. And thats why you live in BARBARIC christian country but no Golden islamic country. Thats why u write in English, on internet made by west on PC or laptop made by west, and all around you are western product.

So please, gtfo. And do yourself a favor. Learn how to fu*king write.

So was that the answer? Well...not surprised...
You ignorance has no limit... at least you acknowledge it...

Next time pick a subject you good at... or keep quiet...

When were the Ottomans technologically advanced and sophisticated empires in the world ? what time frame are you talking about ?

Read... that could help you.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

So was that the answer? Well...not surprised...
You ignorance has no limit... at least you acknowledge it...

Next time pick a subject you good at... or keep quiet...

They were living in a Muslim country for 5 centuries, lol, but they have a problem with us living in a Secular Western country for 30 or so years.

 

[HannibalBarca]

They were living in a Muslim country for 5 centuries, lol, but they have a problem with us living in a Secular Western country for 30 or so years.

What can you do... Even Tunisians Special Forces (who are 7 years old) are training Hungarian and Serb forces... And they think they are better than others...

 

[Nevsky]

Jaziya... was paid by Non-Muslims ADULT MALE ONLY... A lower tax than Zakat that was paid by ALL Muslims (Woman, kids, Man etc)... Ottomans did not introduce it... it's was like that since Day 1 in Islam...

Why so much ignorance...why letting yourself get laugh at...don't you feel ashamed at the image you give to your people/country?
FFS read... use that brain of yours and that Parent money education a bit instead of reading 2 lines on a retarded blog/synopsis of an unknown author... Open The Books that your are criticizing... stop this retardness behavior and grow up...

I will not even go into depth about Non-Muslims "privilege"... like They CAN GOVERN UPON THEIR OWN LAWS... Bible for the Christians and Torah for the Jews... or that the Islamic Ruler had to not get his own "non-Muslim" citizen as soldiers... and list goes on...

Don't ever put your barbaric Christian era with Our Islamic one...you are no match... even intellectuals don't even dare go there...

Lovely. I'm absolutely sure that plenty of ppl in the UK and France would love to explain you how good and happy life your ancestors had during their colonial rule. Would you buy it though? I really couldn't care less about the nonsense wrote in the "books", which "books" btw? The turkish ones?
If all these Serbians, Greeks and Bulgarians fought for their freedom and had absolutely no hesitation to die for it than I prefer to trust them and not you and your "books" buddy.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Lovely. I'm absolutely sure that plenty of ppl in the UK and France would love to explain you how good and happy life your ancestors had during their colonial rule. Would you buy it though? I really couldn't care less about the nonsense wrote in the "books", which "books" btw? The turkish ones?
If all these Serbians, Greeks and Bulgarians fought for their freedom and had absolutely no hesitation to die for it than I prefer to trust them and not you and your "books" buddy.

So you think they fought against Jazyia?
And who said Ottoman rule at the End or that any rule is "Perfect"?

The problem in this thread is the allegation that "Ottoman entire rule/Islamic rule was From "another age"... or worst than "Others"... Something History do not agree with... Quite the opposite, More advance in every field than ANY ruling at that time and for the Centuries that will follow...
So for you to find X or Y rule not to your liking is up to you... But Generalizing an entire "ideology" as Bad because of few events is as stupid as saying "I don't like Humans, because one of them beat me..." and putting aside it's accomplishment is just childish...

As for why X or Y wanted to be "independent" it's another story... that let's be honest...it's most of the time in relation with geopolitical environment of their time... Not only you but other parts of the Ottoman empire rebelled against their Rule... aka in Arab lands per exemple...

Ottoman later days critics are legitimate... Even intellectual from their own country/legacy acknowledge that... But instead of speaking about those "specific" ruling mistakes...you guys are TRYING to put the blame on Islam...
And that's dishonest...

 

[Nevsky]

Yes, revolting against Ottomans fixed all your problems and now Bulgaria is a super power.

You can only blame Turks for so much. For their time, Ottomans were one of the most technologically advanced and sophisticated empires in the world.

Most of your culture even now is based on Turks.

Each empire has a declining period, but Christians made it bloody and genocidal hell for all of Eastern Europe.

No, Bulgaria is not a super power but it's free and independent country and it actually gave a new home to my ancestors when they ran away from Crimea in 1920.

And, no, Ottomans were not technologically advanced, that's why they lost most of its war against Russia. And no, my culture has nothing to do with turks from Anatolia. Maybe with her westernized european part.

So you think they fought against Jazyia?
And who said Ottoman rule at the End or that any rule is "Perfect"?

They fought for freedom and independence. Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece are Christian nations, and as such they didn't want to be ruled by Islamic country. That's it, just like you or ppl in Pakistan did not want to be ruled by UK or France...

 

[bsruzm]

You can only blame Turks for so much.

Those are quite annoying.

it's free and independent country

Putin unexpectedly announced the end of the South Stream gas pipeline project, and added: "Bulgaria is not acting as an independent state".

Remember?

The biggest victims were the organizations of the Uprising and their supporters. But that was their plan at first place, to sacrifice himself, so Russia and other world powers finally help us.

I know how terrorism, and propaganda works. Russia was already behind it all.

They fought for freedom and independence. Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece are Christian nations, and as such they didn't want to be ruled by Islamic country.

Then today, the same can be done by Muslim's in those countries.

 

[vostok]

3) Dont start with those bullshits again about Arab contribution on Renaissance, Renaissance was succesful only in Europe, when combined with Reformation and Enlighment it made Western Europe most prosperous part of world in humankind. Thats why you live in France, but not in Tunisia. Thats why you live in country that was affected by all three of them but not in some former Ottoman lands, where there is not rule of law and freedom of press.

The Renaissance owes much to migrants from Byzantine Empire to Italy. When the Eastern Empire were collapsing, many educated Greeks moved to Italy, as they were fluent in Latin.

 

[urienreghed]

What is Political Christianity? and what is Political islam? Do you mean a Theocracy?

not especially theocracy
i mean islam that is involved in the political decisions of the country , someway. or sometimes just speech. like Polish saying christianity is the root of Europe. root of Europe is Europe.
culture is not politics. it is not only about Westerns it is Asia, it is Americas, it is most of Africa .

Yes we use "We"... as a Turk may use "WE" when he says "We conquered Mecca". Since in Islam... Ethnicity doesn't matter.

I am muslim. I'll never say "we" like i was a Turk. or even Iranian , loving the Iranian culture.

Judaism is the mother religion of Christianity not Islam... For Us... Every prophet was a "Muslim".
Muslim mean "The one who submit his will to the only True God"... Something EVERY prophet did and said, Including Jesus (PBUH) himself.

not every muslim agree with this. i don't. but i understand you were educated to think like this and i shouldn't misrespect you.