Agnihotra
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Lol have you ever been to Serbia yourself ?Yeah... As long as you stay far from their lands/Society/Women it's all good... Otherwise...it's another subject...
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Lol have you ever been to Serbia yourself ?Yeah... As long as you stay far from their lands/Society/Women it's all good... Otherwise...it's another subject...
Of Course it wasn't during the whole time, in the end of the day the infidels had to pay you taxes. The colonial empire wouldn't survive if all were muslim(equal)."However, had Bulgarians been really forced by sword and fire to become Muslims for half a millennium, there would have been no Christians left in 1878 from which to build a Bulgarian nation."
Bulgaria’s denial of its Ottoman past and Turkish identity
In the 17th century many Bulgarians, especially in the Rhodope region, were forced to become Muslims against their will. Thousands of those who declined were ritually killed by the Bashi-bazouk Ottoman soldiers, in front of other Bulgarians forced to watch. Victims included women and children; in the Batak massacre they ranged from 1,200 to 7,000. Young Bulgarian Christian boys used to be taken away forever from their families and sent to Muslim schools in order to be prepared to serve the state and become soldiers, a practice known as Devshirme or blood tax.
So? What is your point? Bulgaria was created in the 7th century as a mix of Thracians, Proto-Bulgarians and Slavs. Or you are selling the theory for the mighty Turkic tribes that created 100's empires all around the world?Bolghars were Turkic semi-nomadic tribes...
Of Course it wasn't during the whole time, in the end of the day the infidels had to pay you taxes. The colonial empire wouldn't survive if all were muslim(equal).
Ottoman Empire left its colonies with devastation, backwardness, ethnic conflict, economic struggle, PURE EXAMPLE OF POVERTY. Nothing valueable was builded by Ottoman Empire except some bridges.
Turks did not participate in the Rennesaince, Reformation, RomanticismYou vandals in Eastern Europe really believe those? Especially that part: "we missed Rennesaince, Reformation, Romanticism". You may convince other's to these but I am not that stranger
@bsruzm
People of Balkans despised Ottoman Empire. It was a economically and culturally backward empire. Period.
The biggest reason why all Balkan nations(majority of population, maybe Serbs are most neutral), except Bosnikas, hate Turks is ottoman occupation. Period.
I really dont understrand what you try to prove. I told you that after period of conquering, Ottoman empire went into Pax Ottomana period when the sultans tried to pacify native populations from starting rebellions, thats why they introduced jizya. You can pay jizya and stay alive as a Christian but you still dont have same rights as a Muslim population.
I will finish with this disscusion.
Soviet Russia left its colonies with cosmodroms, schools and hospitals.
British Empire left its colonies with right to emigrate to the metropolis to find better oportunities, there is million of Sikhs, Pakistan people, Indian people in former first world British colonies.
Germans left its colonies and allies with hundreds km of railways and billions of Deutsche Marks (Croatia for example).
Ottoman Empire left its colonies with devastation, backwardness, ethnic conflict, economic struggle, PURE EXAMPLE OF POVERTY. Nothing valueable was builded by Ottoman Empire except some bridges.
Thats why I dont understand you. I can understand uneducated ottoman fanboys of non-turkish ethinicity. But, you know that Ataturk Turkey was something special. Industrialized, secular, prosper and democratic. All different from Ottoman Empire. And still you defend something that cant be defended.
@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan
From now, you are blocked.
Reasons : Fabrications of history, ignorance, racism and schauvinism.
facts do not matter on a lot of issues@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan
From now, you are blocked.
Reasons : Fabrications of history, ignorance, racism and schauvinism.
Turks did not participate in the Rennesaince, Reformation, Romanticism
For a lot of Pakistanis it would be heresy to call the Ottoman Empire economically and culturally backward
You are talking about a violent Bulgarian uprising that targeted anything Muslim, it was a time ethnic terrorist's (everywhere) took advantage of a weakening empire.Of Course it wasn't during the whole time, in the end of the day the infidels had to pay you taxes. The colonial empire wouldn't survive if all were muslim(equal).
It was so nice and tolerating, I just wonder why all these people wanted liberty.
So? What is your point? Bulgaria was created in the 7th century as a mix of Thracians, Proto-Bulgarians and Slavs. Or you are selling the theory for the mighty Turkic tribes that created 100's empires all around the world?
The Bulgarian ethnogenesis came with the Orthodox Christianity in 9th century, simple as that. The tribes and their believing before Christ doesn't matter at all.
Why would a Christian nation want to live under the rule of the Ottoman empire? Wtf man? Ottoman empire was backward and repressive, most of the revolution powers in Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia rose up exactly durring the "Tanzimat". Get real. And if it wasnt for the foregin powers UK and France, Russia would have finished with the ottomans once and for all before 20th century. So you should thank them not to blame.And where does Tanzimat feature in here for you?
Ottomans bent over backwards to appease the Christian minorities, who did nothing to repay the favor but backstab Turks and Muslims for foreign powers.
The whole time UK, France, Germany, and Russia stoked the flames and brainwashed Christian minorities to revolt and kill Turks.
The same colonial powers spread havoc and bloodshed all over the world decimating native populations, industrializing slavery, and engineering famines.
They did no less to the Turkish and Muslim populations of The Balkans and Caucasus who were exterminated and the survivors were made into refugees whom Turkey had to absorb.
All of this could have been avoided if Christians chose to live in peace.
You are talking about an uprising that targete
You are talking about a violent Bulgarian uprising that targeted anything Muslim, it was a time ethnic terrorist's (everywhere) took advantage of a weakening empire.
"Bulgarian Revolutionary Central Committee meeting protocols from 17th of April 1876 chaired by Benkovski discuss on taking action against the Turkish and Muslim population in mixed regions opposing the uprising. These actions include killing, arson of property and homes and seizure of assets."
Once a vandal, always a vandal.
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@DejanSRB , won't argue with your ignorance.
he has a hard time figuring out why anyone would not want to live under Muslim ruleWhy would a Christian nation want to live under the rule of the Ottoman empire? Wtf man? Ottoman empire was backward and repressive, most of the revolution powers in Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia rose up exactly durring the "Tanzimat". Get real. And if it wasnt for the foregin powers UK and France, Russia would have finished with the ottomans once and for all before 20th century. So you should thank them not to blame.
See, that's no argument.@bsruzm
Only vandal here is someone who defend Ottoman Empire, that invaded and destroy dozens of nations and made nothing valuable for humankind. Worst of all empires in history. Backward, opressive and genocidal.