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May you link that history book you were reading on this subject...
Maybe Milosevic or Mladic taught him that.
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May you link that history book you were reading on this subject...
You vandals in Eastern Europe really believe those? Especially that part: "we missed Rennesaince, Reformation, Romanticism". You may convince other's to these but I am not that strangerThey invade our land and burned it, enslaved millions, made Christians paid jizya or convert them to muslims , they imported corruption, economic and cultural backwardness to the Southeast Europe, we missed Rennesaince, Reformation, Romanticism
It is bad luck for Turkey if people like you are their allies.
What I wonder is if the "taught" part was ever "used"...Maybe Milosevic or Mladic taught him that.
May you link that history book you were reading on this subject...
You vandals in Eastern Europe really believe those? Especially that part: "we missed Rennesaince, Reformation, Romanticism". You may convince other's to these but I am not that stranger
Maybe Milosevic or Mladic taught him that.
It was claimed that Erdogan should convert Hagia Sophia because the West hates Turkey.So...When you "say" that Muslim World have "more hate" toward Israel... what's the anti-proposition?
At least, my country didnt hide Bin Laden, a paradigm of terrorism.
noone believes Turkey is compatible with Western liberal values
We are talking about some basic things, that is well known history...
But ok, lets start...
About Ottoman empire backwardness in economy, you should start with Halil Inalcik ,
About Ottoman rejection of Renneissance
- The Ottoman Decline and its Effects upon the Reaya, Aspects of the Balkans, Continuity and Change, Contributions to the International Balkan Conference held at UCLA, October 23—28, 1969, ed. H. Birnbaum & S. Vryonis Jr., Mouton, The Hague 1972, 338—354.
About Ottoman brutal conquest
- Ottoman Methods of Conquest, Studia Islamica 3 (1954) 102—129.
The Ottoman Empire: The Classical Age 1300-1600 by Halil Inalcik
I put Halil Inalcik, (TURKISH HISTORIAN) just to avoid some "Serbian bias historians" replies.
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I suggest you to study Halil Inalcık collectively. Cherry-picking won't get you anywhere.Ok, friend, give me argument!
I am here
First... You give me the "End of Ottoman Empire" Economy state... as if it's THE general 700years of reign...
and Second... Do you even know what the Renaissance is? or what is about? Do you even know who brought you Renaissance in the first place?
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I suggest you to study Halil Inalcık collectively. Cherry-picking won't get you anywhere.
The jizya cost less than the obligatory Zakat in muslim lands. That's a false argument. Every body had to pay taxes in one form or another, since christians didn't pay the Zakat they had to pay the jizya that's it that's all. Manipulation at it's best.
Why does this forum tolerate obvious muslim haters? I see Israelis (A country that doesn't even exist according to Pakistan.), Indians and Euros, talking shit about muslims and palestinians, and now a fucking Serb is here insulting pakistanis for ''hiding'' Bin Laden? Wtf is this? How is this tolerated...
Sorry, but you dont know what are you talking about, you are so ignorant that there is no point of further disscusion.
I will show you the signs of your ignorance.
1) First book is not about decline of Ottoman empire, but of ottoman decline on REAYA system. So, it is evident that you dont know what "Reaya" even means. It is a Ottoman term for Christian population on Balkans, that paid jizzya and refuse to convert to Islam (Ottomans was liberal on that question, you can become muslim and get better life or remain christian and paid jizzya.
2) If you dont know LITTERARY NOTHING on Ottoman Empire, just like it looks, why you take part in this disscusion? Oh thats becouse you must defend Ottoman Empire, just bcos it was a muslim empire. Be it good or bed, prosper or backward (like it was), it was muslim so it must be grand.
3) Dont start with those bullshits again about Arab contribution on Renaissance, Renaissance was succesful only in Europe, when combined with Reformation and Enlighment it made Western Europe most prosperous part of world in humankind. Thats why you live in France, but not in Tunisia. Thats why you live in country that was affected by all three of them but not in some former Ottoman lands, where there is not rule of law and freedom of press.
They don't even know the almost non existent duty of a Christian/jew in comparison of a Muslim...The jizya cost less than the obligatory Zakat in muslim lands. That's a false argument. Every body had to pay taxes in one form or another, since christians didn't pay the Zakat they had to pay the jizya that's it that's all. Manipulation at it's best.
At least...they get their mouth shut...when they argue that "Muslims" oppress "speech"...Why does this forum tolerate obvious muslim haters? I see Israelis (A country that doesn't even exist according to Pakistan.), Indians and Euros, talking shit about muslims and palestinians, and now a fucking Serb is here insulting pakistanis for ''hiding'' Bin Laden? Wtf is this? How is this tolerated...