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A segment of CBS 60 Minutes, top rated American newsmagazine on television, has recently brought sharp focus on H1B visa abuse. It alleges that the H1B visas are being misused by Indian body shops to bring low-cost Indian software engineers to the United States to replace higher-paid American workers.

H1B Visa Abuse:

The visa category was originally intended to help fill gaps in the high-tech workforce with highly skilled employees from abroad in situations where there aren’t enough Americans. Instead, it has given rise to body shops that bring in workers from overseas, mainly from India, to replace higher-paid American workers.

Recent examples of the firing of American IT workers and their replacement by Indian workers at UC San Francisco and Walt Disney and Co have received a lot of media attention. What has particularly incensed the American public is the practice of forcing the American workers to train their replacements.

Labor Cost Savings:

A loophole in H-1B legislation that US companies are taking advantage of allows them to outsource jobs to Indian body shops without even looking for Americans, if those jobs pay approximately $60,000 or higher. Similar jobs in Silicon Valley pay an average of $110,000 a year.

The average salary of a software engineer ($110,000) in Silicon Valley is about 20X more than the average salaries in India ($6,875) and Pakistan ($4,770).


Source: Glassdoor


Indians Gaming H1-B System:

Indian body shops are masters of gaming the H1-B system. Most of India's IT exports to the United States are made up of wages of H1B workers brought to the United States by a handful of Indian body shops like Cognizant, Tata Consulting Services (TCS) and Infosys. In 2014, 86% of the H1B visas for tech workers were granted to Indians, according to available data.

Excluding the Indian H1B workers' pay, India's IT exports drop to about one-twentieth of the the amount reported by the Indian government as IT exports, according to a 2005 study by US General Accounting Office (GAO).

The Indian body shops like Cognizant, TCS and Infosys that rely on the H1B visa program in the US are "the shining star" of the Indian economy, and the country's largest export, according to an Indian-American professor Ron Hira who is a strong critic of the abuses of H1B program. By complaining, the Indian government and firms that rely on the program are trying to "build up a firewall so that no other reforms can come through and constrain the program in any way."

Indian Code Coolies:

H1B workers brought in by Indian body shops are described variously as "code coolies" or "H1B slaves". Some call them "indentured servants", like the ones from India who replaced slave labor after the British empire abolished slavery.

“’Indentured servants’ is a pretty accurate term because in many cases that’s exactly what’s going on,” said Phillip Griego of San Jose’s Phillip J. Griego and Associates. Over the years, Griego and his law partner, Robert Nuddleman have represented several H-1B workers in lawsuits against body shops.

Trump's Pledge:

Along with cracking down on illegal immigration, a key campaign promise of President Trump has been to create lots of American jobs for American workers. “You’ve heard me say the words, and I’ll repeat them, right now: Buy American and Hire American. It’s not just a motto, it’s a pledge. It’s a pledge to the working people of this country. The era of economic surrender for the United States is over -- it's over,” Trump said at Michigan earlier this week.

Right after the CBS 60 Minutes segment on H1-B visa, Senator Chuck Grassley tweeted: "If u just saw CBS 60minutes abt ripoff H1B visa program is replacing AmWorkers u shld know my/Durbin bill will correct this injustice."

There are reports that new legislation is being offered to change the H1-B program. Among the key provisions of this new proposed legislation are cutting the number of visa by 50% and doubling the minimum salary of H1B workers from $60,000 to $120,000.

Summary:

The abuse of H1B visas to replace American workers and depress wages is drawing both legislative and executive attention under the Trump administration. High profile cases like the firing of American workers at UC San Francisco and Disney and their replacement by Indian workers has energized the support for cracking down on abuse.

Related Links:

Haq's Musings

India Files WTO Complaint Against US Over H1-B Visa Changes

India is the Biggest Source of Illegal Immigration in US

India's IT Exports Highly Exaggerated

Pakistan's Rising College Enrollment

Silicon Valley Pakistani-Americans

Pakistan Third Most Popular Among Outsourcing Countries

Upwardly Mobile Pakistan

Pakistan Among Top Outsourcing Destinations

Pakistan's IT Industry

Indian Code Coolies

Pakistan's Software Prodigy

Biotech and Genomics in Pakistan


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Indian Code Coolies:

H1B workers brought in by Indian body shops are described variously as "code coolies" or "H1B slaves". Some call them "indentured servants", like the ones from India who replaced slave labor after the British empire abolished slavery.

“’Indentured servants’ is a pretty accurate term because in many cases that’s exactly what’s going on,” said Phillip Griego of San Jose’s Phillip J. Griego and Associates. Over the years, Griego and his law partner, Robert Nuddleman have represented several H-1B workers in lawsuits against body shops.



I think most of your articles are example of how much aggrieved you are & always busy proving how India is bad.Same as most of the articles of yours with dwindling statistics,proof & those language you use.I wonder what kind of readers rely on these blogs.Well consultancy like Glassdoor isn't a good source to rely on first of all..

We can consider most of the immigrants in USA from India are from IT backgrounds.It may fluctuate a bit but hell with 6000 $.:lol:
Lets go by the government census done by American Community Survey.
Avg household income,


India 103,821 $
China 70,689 $
Pakistan 62,000 $


https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Astonishing is this craaap got a positive rating too which might be just for India bashing assuming the trend here..

@Nilgiri @Robinhood Pandey @egodoc222 @Indika @Guynextdoor2 @SDS1
 
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I don't seriously understandt why Indians are dying to get H1B visas.

On almost every other thread they brag about how great is India with $2.9 trillions economy and greatest growth rate the world has ever witnessed and when it comes to working in their own country, almost everyone is ready to leave the country given a half chance.


Things do not really match up here...somthing is wrong.
 
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http://www.riazhaq.com/2017/03/h1b-visa-abuse-what-do-software.html

A segment of CBS 60 Minutes, top rated American newsmagazine on television, has recently brought sharp focus on H1B visa abuse. It alleges that the H1B visas are being misused by Indian body shops to bring low-cost Indian software engineers to the United States to replace higher-paid American workers.

H1B Visa Abuse:

The visa category was originally intended to help fill gaps in the high-tech workforce with highly skilled employees from abroad in situations where there aren’t enough Americans. Instead, it has given rise to body shops that bring in workers from overseas, mainly from India, to replace higher-paid American workers.

Recent examples of the firing of American IT workers and their replacement by Indian workers at UC San Francisco and Walt Disney and Co have received a lot of media attention. What has particularly incensed the American public is the practice of forcing the American workers to train their replacements.

Labor Cost Savings:

A loophole in H-1B legislation that US companies are taking advantage of allows them to outsource jobs to Indian body shops without even looking for Americans, if those jobs pay approximately $60,000 or higher. Similar jobs in Silicon Valley pay an average of $110,000 a year.

The average salary of a software engineer ($110,000) in Silicon Valley is about 20X more than the average salaries in India ($6,875) and Pakistan ($4,770).


Source: Glassdoor


Indians Gaming H1-B System:

Indian body shops are masters of gaming the H1-B system. Most of India's IT exports to the United States are made up of wages of H1B workers brought to the United States by a handful of Indian body shops like Cognizant, Tata Consulting Services (TCS) and Infosys. In 2014, 86% of the H1B visas for tech workers were granted to Indians, according to available data.

Excluding the Indian H1B workers' pay, India's IT exports drop to about one-twentieth of the the amount reported by the Indian government as IT exports, according to a 2005 study by US General Accounting Office (GAO).

The Indian body shops like Cognizant, TCS and Infosys that rely on the H1B visa program in the US are "the shining star" of the Indian economy, and the country's largest export, according to an Indian-American professor Ron Hira who is a strong critic of the abuses of H1B program. By complaining, the Indian government and firms that rely on the program are trying to "build up a firewall so that no other reforms can come through and constrain the program in any way."

Indian Code Coolies:

H1B workers brought in by Indian body shops are described variously as "code coolies" or "H1B slaves". Some call them "indentured servants", like the ones from India who replaced slave labor after the British empire abolished slavery.

“’Indentured servants’ is a pretty accurate term because in many cases that’s exactly what’s going on,” said Phillip Griego of San Jose’s Phillip J. Griego and Associates. Over the years, Griego and his law partner, Robert Nuddleman have represented several H-1B workers in lawsuits against body shops.

Trump's Pledge:

Along with cracking down on illegal immigration, a key campaign promise of President Trump has been to create lots of American jobs for American workers. “You’ve heard me say the words, and I’ll repeat them, right now: Buy American and Hire American. It’s not just a motto, it’s a pledge. It’s a pledge to the working people of this country. The era of economic surrender for the United States is over -- it's over,” Trump said at Michigan earlier this week.

Right after the CBS 60 Minutes segment on H1-B visa, Senator Chuck Grassley tweeted: "If u just saw CBS 60minutes abt ripoff H1B visa program is replacing AmWorkers u shld know my/Durbin bill will correct this injustice."

There are reports that new legislation is being offered to change the H1-B program. Among the key provisions of this new proposed legislation are cutting the number of visa by 50% and doubling the minimum salary of H1B workers from $60,000 to $120,000.

Summary:

The abuse of H1B visas to replace American workers and depress wages is drawing both legislative and executive attention under the Trump administration. High profile cases like the firing of American workers at UC San Francisco and Disney and their replacement by Indian workers has energized the support for cracking down on abuse.

Related Links:

Haq's Musings

India Files WTO Complaint Against US Over H1-B Visa Changes

India is the Biggest Source of Illegal Immigration in US

India's IT Exports Highly Exaggerated

Pakistan's Rising College Enrollment

Silicon Valley Pakistani-Americans

Pakistan Third Most Popular Among Outsourcing Countries

Upwardly Mobile Pakistan

Pakistan Among Top Outsourcing Destinations

Pakistan's IT Industry

Indian Code Coolies

Pakistan's Software Prodigy

Biotech and Genomics in Pakistan


http://www.riazhaq.com/2017/03/h1b-visa-abuse-what-do-software.html

Minimum $120K. That certainly is an interesting strategy. In hourly terms it is usually considered around $60/hr. $120K/(50 weeks * 40 hours) = $60/hr.

One of the big issues is that many companies hire IT people as contractors (ie not employees..just hourly temporary workers). Most companies refuse to pay contractors directly due to some potential tax liability issues (the contractor pockets tax money and the IRS goes after the company for it instead of the contractor). They prefer to deal with agencies who farm people out. If there are any tax non-payment issues the company can SUE the agency easier than finding an individual.

For instance say a typical company pays agencies $90/hr for a person. The agency of course is going to find people who are willing to accept as little of that as possible. They may pay somebody $60/hr and keep $30/hr. Of course there are some token pass-through agencies companies will use and pay the agency $7/hr and pay the contractor $83/hr.

However by bringing in H1-B's they can offer companies some huge savings. The company can pay the agency only $60/hr and the agency will turn around and pay the H1-B $30/hr and still pocket their usual $30/hr. This can get even lower as the agency may be willing to take only $50/hr or less if the company agrees to hire say 100 of their people. Pay worker $30/hr and the agency $20/hr.The agency can make up their margins by using higher volumes. Huge savings for companies. They now have cut their costs from $90/hr to $50/hr.

So forcing $120K will certainly put things in disarray. Agencies will theoretically be forced to pay their workers $60/hr. Putting them right back even with the old $90/hr deal where the agency kept $30/hr and paid the worker $60/hr.​
 
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Those figures include citizens and permanent residents, not H-1B visa workers.
Most citizens and PRs were on H-1 visa at some point

I don't seriously understandt why Indians are dying to get H1B visas.

On almost every other thread they brag about how great is India with $2.9 trillions economy and greatest growth rate the world has ever witnessed and when it comes to working in their own country, almost everyone is ready to leave the country given a half chance.


Things do not really match up here...somthing is wrong.

you are generalizing - there are 100,000 Indian H-1 applicants

The solution to H-1b problem is to restrict Indian companies from applying for these visas
 
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Indian body shops are masters of gaming the H1-B system. Most of India's IT exports to the United States are made up of wages of H1B workers brought to the United States by a handful of Indian body shops like Cognizant, Tata Consulting Services (TCS) and Infosys. In 2014, 86% of the H1B visas for tech workers were granted to Indians, according to available data.

Excluding the Indian H1B workers' pay, India's IT exports drop to about one-twentieth of the the amount reported by the Indian government as IT exports, according to a 2005 study by US General Accounting Office (GAO).

I was always wondering what exactly Indian IT industry was exporting, to make the industry India's biggest exporter. I have never heard of any Indian software, nor had I used any Indian Apps like I use Wechat,Clean Master or Antutu from China on my smartphones.
 
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Wrong stats!

You should have posted the truth and ranted about Indians.

Most of the R and D jobs are shifting to India now a days.

Plus H1B amendment is due as they have not changed the fee since 1980's.



http://www.riazhaq.com/2017/03/h1b-visa-abuse-what-do-software.html

A segment of CBS 60 Minutes, top rated American newsmagazine on television, has recently brought sharp focus on H1B visa abuse. It alleges that the H1B visas are being misused by Indian body shops to bring low-cost Indian software engineers to the United States to replace higher-paid American workers.

H1B Visa Abuse:

The visa category was originally intended to help fill gaps in the high-tech workforce with highly skilled employees from abroad in situations where there aren’t enough Americans. Instead, it has given rise to body shops that bring in workers from overseas, mainly from India, to replace higher-paid American workers.

Recent examples of the firing of American IT workers and their replacement by Indian workers at UC San Francisco and Walt Disney and Co have received a lot of media attention. What has particularly incensed the American public is the practice of forcing the American workers to train their replacements.

Labor Cost Savings:

A loophole in H-1B legislation that US companies are taking advantage of allows them to outsource jobs to Indian body shops without even looking for Americans, if those jobs pay approximately $60,000 or higher. Similar jobs in Silicon Valley pay an average of $110,000 a year.

The average salary of a software engineer ($110,000) in Silicon Valley is about 20X more than the average salaries in India ($6,875) and Pakistan ($4,770).


Source: Glassdoor


Indians Gaming H1-B System:

Indian body shops are masters of gaming the H1-B system. Most of India's IT exports to the United States are made up of wages of H1B workers brought to the United States by a handful of Indian body shops like Cognizant, Tata Consulting Services (TCS) and Infosys. In 2014, 86% of the H1B visas for tech workers were granted to Indians, according to available data.

Excluding the Indian H1B workers' pay, India's IT exports drop to about one-twentieth of the the amount reported by the Indian government as IT exports, according to a 2005 study by US General Accounting Office (GAO).

The Indian body shops like Cognizant, TCS and Infosys that rely on the H1B visa program in the US are "the shining star" of the Indian economy, and the country's largest export, according to an Indian-American professor Ron Hira who is a strong critic of the abuses of H1B program. By complaining, the Indian government and firms that rely on the program are trying to "build up a firewall so that no other reforms can come through and constrain the program in any way."

Indian Code Coolies:

H1B workers brought in by Indian body shops are described variously as "code coolies" or "H1B slaves". Some call them "indentured servants", like the ones from India who replaced slave labor after the British empire abolished slavery.

“’Indentured servants’ is a pretty accurate term because in many cases that’s exactly what’s going on,” said Phillip Griego of San Jose’s Phillip J. Griego and Associates. Over the years, Griego and his law partner, Robert Nuddleman have represented several H-1B workers in lawsuits against body shops.

Trump's Pledge:

Along with cracking down on illegal immigration, a key campaign promise of President Trump has been to create lots of American jobs for American workers. “You’ve heard me say the words, and I’ll repeat them, right now: Buy American and Hire American. It’s not just a motto, it’s a pledge. It’s a pledge to the working people of this country. The era of economic surrender for the United States is over -- it's over,” Trump said at Michigan earlier this week.

Right after the CBS 60 Minutes segment on H1-B visa, Senator Chuck Grassley tweeted: "If u just saw CBS 60minutes abt ripoff H1B visa program is replacing AmWorkers u shld know my/Durbin bill will correct this injustice."

There are reports that new legislation is being offered to change the H1-B program. Among the key provisions of this new proposed legislation are cutting the number of visa by 50% and doubling the minimum salary of H1B workers from $60,000 to $120,000.

Summary:

The abuse of H1B visas to replace American workers and depress wages is drawing both legislative and executive attention under the Trump administration. High profile cases like the firing of American workers at UC San Francisco and Disney and their replacement by Indian workers has energized the support for cracking down on abuse.

Related Links:

Haq's Musings

India Files WTO Complaint Against US Over H1-B Visa Changes

India is the Biggest Source of Illegal Immigration in US

India's IT Exports Highly Exaggerated

Pakistan's Rising College Enrollment

Silicon Valley Pakistani-Americans

Pakistan Third Most Popular Among Outsourcing Countries

Upwardly Mobile Pakistan

Pakistan Among Top Outsourcing Destinations

Pakistan's IT Industry

Indian Code Coolies

Pakistan's Software Prodigy

Biotech and Genomics in Pakistan


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This is idiotic thread posted by some one who is famous for posting lies and wrong stats.

The stats are all wrong. I work in VLSI industry and the recent trend is that most of the jobs including R and D are shifting to India.

CISCO and Intel combinedly added close to 10000 jobs only in Bangalore.

Secondly the amendement is due since long time , last time they changed this in 1980's. If you have the skill set and have good experience one can get H1B.

This guy is an immigrant speaking about us policies, more American than Americans themselves.

I don't seriously understandt why Indians are dying to get H1B visas.

On almost every other thread they brag about how great is India with $2.9 trillions economy and greatest growth rate the world has ever witnessed and when it comes to working in their own country, almost everyone is ready to leave the country given a half chance.


Things do not really match up here...somthing is wrong.
 
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Can someone explain how India really earns from h1b visas ? With someone claiming that 90 % of our earnings dependent on it .
By my calculations ...
85000 h1b visas per year.
Indians get 80 % .
ie 68000.
earning per person usd 60000.
ie 60000 × 68000 = 4080000000 = 4.08 billion usd.
For a 3 yr period , assuming 100 % stay back in the US = 4.08 x 3 = 12.24 billion usd.

How does this translate to 90 % of 100 billion $ , which are Indias export ?
 
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Minimum $120K. That certainly is an interesting strategy. In hourly terms it is usually considered around $60/hr. $120K/(50 weeks * 40 hours) = $60/hr.

One of the big issues is that many companies hire IT people as contractors (ie not employees..just hourly temporary workers). Most companies refuse to pay contractors directly due to some potential tax liability issues (the contractor pockets tax money and the IRS goes after the company for it instead of the contractor). They prefer to deal with agencies who farm people out. If there are any tax non-payment issues the company can SUE the agency easier than finding an individual.

For instance say a typical company pays agencies $90/hr for a person. The agency of course is going to find people who are willing to accept as little of that as possible. They may pay somebody $60/hr and keep $30/hr. Of course there are some token pass-through agencies companies will use and pay the agency $7/hr and pay the contractor $83/hr.

However by bringing in H1-B's they can offer companies some huge savings. The company can pay the agency only $60/hr and the agency will turn around and pay the H1-B $30/hr and still pocket their usual $30/hr. This can get even lower as the agency may be willing to take only $50/hr or less if the company agrees to hire say 100 of their people. Pay worker $30/hr and the agency $20/hr.The agency can make up their margins by using higher volumes. Huge savings for companies. They now have cut their costs from $90/hr to $50/hr.

So forcing $120K will certainly put things in disarray. Agencies will theoretically be forced to pay their workers $60/hr. Putting them right back even with the old $90/hr deal where the agency kept $30/hr and paid the worker $60/hr.​
You missed the SS tax, Health insurance ,bonus,flexible labor,no vacation,stability,bad hire replacement ...etc that companies gain from. In fact if a company is not innovating and if their business is just service oriented they will treat all the workers as plain expendables. So contractors are a good choice.
 
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Can someone explain how India really earns from h1b visas ? With someone claiming that 90 % of our earnings dependent on it .
By my calculations ...
85000 h1b visas per year.
Indians get 80 % .
ie 68000.
earning per person usd 60000.
ie 60000 × 68000 = 4080000000 = 4.08 billion usd.
For a 3 yr period , assuming 100 % stay back in the US = 4.08 x 3 = 12.24 billion usd.

How does this translate to 90 % of 100 billion $ , which are Indias export ?


85000 NEW H1B Visas per year.
 
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85000 NEW H1B Visas per year.
See my calcln ... i have considered for 3 yrs , the validity of a visa , without extensions.
Also how money earned and partially spent in USA can be considered our exports ?
 
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