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H-1B visa: Indian IT companies seem like latest Donald Trump casualty
Among Donald Trump’s early priorities is the H-1B programme, under which 65,000 temporary workers are allowed to work in the US each year
Figuring out which of his campaign promises Donald Trump is going to cheerily ignore once in office is a large and flourishing industry at the moment. But whatever the fate of climate change negotiations or a special prosecutor for Hillary Clinton, one theme of his campaign appears to have carried through into his transition: opposition to the current US work-visa scheme. That’s bad news for innovation in Silicon Valley. It may be worse news for India.

Among Trump’s early priorities, according to a video he released on YouTube, would be directing “the Department of Labor to investigate all abuses of visa programs that undercut the American worker.” That’s a pretty direct attack on the H-1B programme, under which 65,000 temporary workers—and 20,000 with advanced degrees in tech-related fields from American universities—are allowed to work in the US each year. (Various renewals and country-specific exemptions mean the total number of temporary workers is higher.)

Even so, you could reasonably ask if those words mean what they appear to mean, since Trump has a history of flip-flopping on this issue, sometimes within hours.

Fortunately, a more explicit commitment from the president-elect than his own words is available. And that’s his appointment of Senator Jeff Sessions as the next US attorney general. Sessions is one of the most hardline voices on immigration you can find—and he has reserved particular ire for the H-1B programme. Indeed, he tried to effectively gut it last year, in legislation he co-sponsored with Senator Ted Cruz. Sessions also co-wrote a letter to then-AG Eric Holder—and two of his Cabinet colleagues—demanding an investigation into “abuse” of the program by “some large, well-known, publicly-traded corporations.” (In another sign of how nativism unites the extreme right and the radical left in the US, the letter was co-signed by a certain Senator Sanders.)

So it’s almost certain that the H-1B programme won’t survive in its current form. What could replace it?

Well, one idea floating around is to ensure that any temporary workers earn a pretty hefty wage—the figure in the Cruz-Sessions bill was $110,000 a year. Another is to replace the current lottery system with an auction, again keeping out lower-paid engineers. But it’s entirely possible that the next administration will want to go even further. Trump’s chief strategist, Steve Bannon, for example, has lamented the fact that “two-thirds or three-quarters of the CEOs in Silicon Valley are from South Asia or from Asia.”

It’s important to note that a good number of those executives began at the bottom—Google’s Sundar Pichai or Microsoft’s Satya Nadella are unlikely to have pulled in the big bucks when they first came out of graduate school. It’s near-impossible to design an immigration system that selects only the highest-paid and still protects the inventiveness and meritocracy that has made Silicon Valley the centre of the tech world. Half of all technology start-ups in the US are founded by immigrants. Like all forms of protectionism, the Bannon-Sessions vision would lower standards and reduce productivity, eventually causing the US to lose the edge—and the income—that comes with being the undisputed champion of innovation.

The other big loser, of course, will be India. The behemoths of the Indian IT industry—companies like Infosys and Tata Consultancy Services—are already struggling with a business model that technological change might have made obsolete. But they’re still dependent on H-1B visas: The list of top applicants under the program reads like the directory of a Bangalore office park. For these companies, getting temporary employees to directly service their clients in the US used to be crucial. It was the most efficient way to provide IT services, and drove growth and profitability for both vendor and client. Trump’s policies will accelerate their decline, unless they learn to adapt a lot quicker than they have in the past.

And finally, what of that much-loved figure, the Indian software guy in the US? For years, getting an H-1B was the second-highest aspiration for a graduate of one of India’s many engineering schools—beaten in the hierarchy of needs only by the key to the Garden of Eden, the green card. It isn’t a simple matter of more money, incidentally—many H-1B hopefuls imagine that going to America will mean they can change tracks, and wind up doing more interesting and productive work than is typically available back home. The H-1B has been such a staple of Indian middle-class dreams for so long, I can’t even imagine what will replace it once it’s gone. Bloomberg

Mihir Sharma

http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/rEL...-companies-seem-like-latest-Donald-Trump.html
 
One of my senior applied under H1B after usmle with the whole process completed in like 7-8months.
 
Last Modified: Tue, Nov 29 2016. 05 07 AM IST

H-1B visa: Indian IT companies seem like latest Donald Trump casualty
Among Donald Trump’s early priorities is the H-1B programme, under which 65,000 temporary workers are allowed to work in the US each year
Figuring out which of his campaign promises Donald Trump is going to cheerily ignore once in office is a large and flourishing industry at the moment. But whatever the fate of climate change negotiations or a special prosecutor for Hillary Clinton, one theme of his campaign appears to have carried through into his transition: opposition to the current US work-visa scheme. That’s bad news for innovation in Silicon Valley. It may be worse news for India.

There is no bad news for innovation for the Silicon Valley. This is the right thing to do. Sadly, there is too much fraud and favoritism in this industry across the US. There are many Indian executives now and they flat out refuse to hire from the local population and use Indian / other offshore companies to bring labor to India.

At this time, there is plenty of labor in the US (including naturalized Indian population) that we can easily continue marching in the tech sector without problems. So the Silicon Valley can still grow, by using the locals. Its that simple.

Any nation in this circumstances, will be losing precious revenue and will have a higher unemployment rate. There are dozens of law suits every month on this topic and millions of complaints. So just like in India, China or elsewhere, they want to hire the locals first, the US has a right to ensure that the US citizens and legal residents, who pay a pretty penny in taxes all their lives, will get a fair shot at getting employment. This is a standard process any or every nation would and should follow.

Our kids go through schools and colleges, take out heavy loans, finish degrees and then be jobless, ending up defaulting on student loans, resulting in income inequality and are forced to have financial stress and lower paying jobs. While labor from India (and some from other countries) come in and have no student loans, and start making "big bucks" from day 1 (literally). How unfair is this to Americans?

My post isn't about race or "I hate Indians", as I have many Indian and other ethnic friends, they are good and smart people. It is just that as a country, we need to do a better job at putting our own kids to work first. I hope Mr. Trump focuses on it, otherwise, our next generation is doomed. If he really wants to "Make America Great Again", you start by making sure "All Americans Have Great Jobs Again". I am sure he is smart enough to know that and would do his part to grow our country financially.
 
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There is no bad news for innovation for the Silicon Valley. This is the right thing to do. Sadly, there is too much fraud and favoritism in this industry across the US. There are many Indian executives now and they flat out refuse to hire from the local population and use Indian / other offshore companies to bring labor to India.

At this time, there is plenty of labor in the US (including naturalized Indian population) that we can easily continue marching in the tech sector without problems. So the Silicon Valley can still grow, by using the locals. Its that simple.

Any nation in this circumstances, will be losing precious revenue and will have a higher unemployment rate. There are dozens of law suits every month on this topic and millions of complaints. So just like in India, China or elsewhere, they want to hire the locals first, the US has a right to ensure that the US citizens and legal residents, who pay a pretty penny in taxes all their lives, will get a fair shot at getting employment. This is a standard process any or every nation would and should follow.

Our kids go through schools and colleges, take out heavy loans, finish degrees and then be jobless, ending up defaulting on student loans, resulting in income inequality and are forced to have financial stress and a lower paying job. While labor from India (and some from other countries) come in and have no student loan and start making the big bucks from day 1. My post isn't about race or "I hate Indians", as I have many Indian and other ethnic friends, they are good and smart people. It is just that as a country, we need to do a better job at putting our own kids to work first. I hope Mr. Trump focuses on it, otherwise, our next generation is doomed.


To be honest, this is true for the most of it.
Being a Computer science and engineering graduate myself, I can tell you the main aim of an IT guy in India is getting a Job overseas.
From my graduation class of 60 students, almost 30-40 are working in other countries.
Out of those, 4 are in U.S. right now.
Others are scattered over Europe and in Australia.
But the point to be noted here is that, all thse guys have experience of about 4-5 years in top most IT firms of India, and they are usually best ones from there teams.
And not only The experience and work quality, they actually get less paid than the Local workers of the Host country with same experience.
And obviously they work hard so as to get extension on work visas and eventually get the Green Card.

So, in the end, Its the company that gets the most out if this model. They pay less, mostly get more work done.
 
There is no bad news for innovation for the Silicon Valley. This is the right thing to do. Sadly, there is too much fraud and favoritism in this industry across the US. There are many Indian executives now and they flat out refuse to hire from the local population and use Indian / other offshore companies to bring labor to India.

At this time, there is plenty of labor in the US (including naturalized Indian population) that we can easily continue marching in the tech sector without problems. So the Silicon Valley can still grow, by using the locals. Its that simple.

Yes.
The H1B program is one of the biggest scams out there! In my college town even a simple 'web clerk' job requiring data entry and very minor PhotoShop skills elicited 75 applications within 72 hours--for a pay up to $10/hour!!

Yes, there are lots and lots of Americans out there who are qualified but unemployed. They can't be as managed or controlled or paid too low and thus these barely English speaking H1Bs whose skills, frankly, are not that great weasel their way in.

Mr. Trump: Look into this scam called H1B. I don't care who it targets against but I do care who it will benefit!!
 
The H-1B program will not be eliminated, but definitely it will be revised. Requirements will be tightened to avoid abuse like replacing American workers with H-1B workers, etc. There's a need for immigrant labor in this country and it will continue, but in a different form.

Yes.
The H1B program is one of the biggest scams out there! In my college town even a simple 'web clerk' job requiring data entry and very minor PhotoShop skills elicited 75 applications within 72 hours--for a pay up to $10/hour!!

Yes, there are lots and lots of Americans out there who are qualified but unemployed. They can't be as managed or controlled or paid too low and thus these barely English speaking H1Bs whose skills, frankly, are not that great weasel their way in.

Mr. Trump: Look into this scam called H1B. I don't care who it targets against but I do care who it will benefit!!

I'm sorry but these H-1B visa holders are not doing data entry and PhotoShop. I don't know how you can compare suck skills like database development and Java coding. Fine, train unemployed folks to do this work, but don't dump on H-1B folks.

I see plenty of demand for semi- and skilled-work in the US with no one to fill them. These Trump supporters think they can get their old low-skill, high-paying factory jobs back. It isn't coming back. They should get their act together and seek out greener pastures, not whine about immigrants, illegal or otherwise.
 
I'm sorry but these H-1B visa holders are not doing data entry and PhotoShop. I don't know how you can compare suck skills like database development and Java coding. Fine, train unemployed folks to do this work, but don't dump on H-1B folks..

I didn't even imply that H1Bs are doing data entry. What I clearly meant was that there ARE tons of Americans willing to do all range of tech work--including Java and databases. I am myself a self-proclaimed I.T veteran and know the job market a bit: There ARE tons of Americans--regardless of their ethnicities-who could fill up the 80,000+ jobs on Dice and do a great job too.

H1B needs to be greatly reduced.
 
I didn't even imply that H1Bs are doing data entry. What I clearly meant was that there ARE tons of Americans willing to do all range of tech work--including Java and databases. I am myself a self-proclaimed I.T veteran and know the job market a bit: There ARE tons of Americans--regardless of their ethnicities-who could fill up the 80,000+ jobs on Dice and do a great job too.

H1B needs to be greatly reduced.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm a US citizen too who works in IT. My main issue with H-1B visa is how its abused by these outsourcing companies to replace US citizens and GC holders like ourselves. I think the standards should be tightened signficantly and I think this is what Trump will do.
 
Thanks for the clarification. I'm a US citizen too who works in IT. My main issue with H-1B visa is how its abused by these outsourcing companies to replace US citizens and GC holders like ourselves. I think the standards should be tightened signficantly and I think this is what Trump will do.

Then we are on the same page.
Believe me: There ARE tons of Americans who are unemployed and who would make good workers given a chance to those Dice jobs. But something isn't right when they are unemployed for years while hordes of workers are imported on one excuse or another.
 
Problem with H1B is that its supposed to be temporary visa for highly skilled workers. However in IT, the overwhelming majority of workers tend to be guys in their mid to late 20's, who once they have established themselves in the US have no intention or indeed reason to go back home.
 
I never understood why Indians were cheerleading a white supremacist to become the next US President? Weird.
 
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It sounds like good news to India. It will slow down and eventually stop India's serious brain drain problem. Indian talents should stay in India to build their own country, instead of being proud being a H1B laborer in foreign company.
 
I never understood why Indians were cheerleading a white supremacist to bevome the next US President? Weird.

Anti-Pakistan. Anti-Terrorism. Anti-Islam. Anti-ISIS. Should I keep going?

It sounds like good news to India. It will slow down and eventually stop India's serious brain drain problem. Indian talents should stay in India to build their own country, instead of being proud being a H1B laborer in foreign company.

Nah, immigration is our biggest export. We don't want our biggest export to disappear.

And we have plenty of skilled people in India.
 
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