Gunbattle between Indian Army special forces and Kashmir freedom fighters in North Kashmir

[Joe Shearer]

Yes, more or less, except that they never get up and go back. They are buried where they fall. Approximately 20,000 by now.

 

[Abingdonboy]

@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA

Is it just me, or are SF's being increasingly used now a days ?

I don't think there are new SOPs in place and SFs are being utilised more aggresively these days (although that could be the case and I might be wrong) but that these details (SF involvement) are reported more.

Another factor could also be that the SF are increasinly co-locating with HUs meaning they have faster response times and are thus deployed in more direct action missions such as this.

No, the exposure to SF ops is increasing. There is no change in their use. We have 12 Para/Para SF units plus all the SFF units, so a substantial number of special forces

The SFF are NOT special forces, they are an irregular force (with Tibetan refugees filling the ranks to a large degree) that train mostly in the NE.

The.Indians need to capture these terrorists alive rather than kill.them.

If they are from a neighbouring country then their capture can prove this.

If they are from outside India which is a global.perception then India needs to pay back.in kind but double even triple in value

Terrorists are not to be tolerated not in Europe not in USA or India.

India needs to combine their efforts with USA Israel and Europe and destroy the source of terror

How many terrorists do security forces in the US/Europe capture alive during such ops? When these animals are prepared to die for their "cause" and in fact welcome it (fast track to 72 virgins) then capturing them alive is a very remote chance.

 

[Asian.Century]

Kashmiris go on retaliate...these Freedom Fighters will keep on coming....finish off one by one those 7 lakh Indian soldiers and paras....make it so expensive and cumbersome for India.

70 years and counting....make India isolated, weak and sucked in...its a long haul fight.

 

[Hellfire]

The SFF are NOT special forces, they are an irregular force (with Tibetan refugees filling the ranks to a large degree) that train mostly in the NE.

I shall have to disagree here. They are categorised as special forces because of their specialised role. Every member is a qualified parachutist and everyone trained in a specific field. Their roles are also not limited as aforementioned.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I shall have to disagree here. They are categorised as special forces because of their specialised role. Every member is a qualified parachutist and everyone trained in a specific field. Their roles are also not limited as aforementioned.

There are only 3 Special Forces in India (MARCOs, PARA (SF) and Garuds). All three are badged and recognised as such and all train and work together, the SFF is a very different beast.

SFF is a specialised force with its members trained extensively but they are not a "traditional/conventional" SF unit (as muh that sounds like a paradox). They are trained for asymetric warefare and are organised as a regular force for irregular duties.

Special Group is an entirely different kettle of fish and is not offically recognised by the GoI.

 

[Hellfire]

There are only 3 Special Forces in India (MARCOs, PARA (SF) and Garuds). All three are badged and recognised as such and all train and work together, the SFF is a very different beast.

All forces trained in a specific manner to conduct covert/unconventional operations are designated as special forces. They are given specialised training and equipment specific to their task.

Special Forces of the Indian Armed Forces are as aforementioned.

However, to contend the limitation of Special Forces in India to them is incorrect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Forces_of_India


I know SFF is a different 'beast'. But it is a specialised force under Cabinet Secretariat and a recognised 'Special Force' under MHA.

For bold portion, what you typed held a few years back, when inter services rivalry led to orders that SFF is not entitled to wear its para wings outside its compounds! That is history, a decade back.

SFF is a specialised force with its members trained extensively but they are not a "traditional/conventional" SF unit (as muh that sounds like a paradox). They are trained for asymetric warefare and are organised as a regular force for irregular duties.

Special Group is an entirely different kettle of fish and is not offically recognised by the GoI.

Incorrect. Both are now trained for similar tasks and undertake similar missions in CI roles, be it in valley or in NE. The troops are no more exclusively Tibetan now. The difference in training of VIKAS units only come in for area and for SG component

Additionally, the only difference is in SG, a successor to SOG which used to exist in post-independence years. The assault teams in SG have different troop composition and different roles for each assault team. Lets leave it at that.

Perhaps one can say SG is super special force

 

[bloo]

Ever heard of the clown who starved his family but was proud of the fact he saved money.
Over a month of curfew and it's not hard to guess who is in fear of getting defeated.
And yes keep feeling good while you are being fed with your habits of Pakistan obsession....those with bankrupt minds are the ones really defeated.

No not really, but I have heard the anecdote about the man desperately trying to burn down his neighbor's house and so on and so forth.

Oh yeah we are sooooooo getting defeated.
A month long curfew is nothing, it was way worse 10-20 years ago. If we got thru that then what difference will a few terrorists gonna make?
Events like this happen every few years and when the illiterate idiots in the valley see that they are losing more people than they are making any difference they cut their losses and then it all stops and we go back to Pakistani posters complaining about insignificant crap.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
The stats are on our side eitherway.

Kashmiris go on retaliate...these Freedom Fighters will keep on coming....finish off one by one those 7 lakh Indian soldiers and paras....make it so expensive and cumbersome for India.

70 years and counting....make India isolated, weak and sucked in...its a long haul fight.

Your rhetoric over my facts.

70 years and counting.

We made war so expensive for Pakistan that you lot spend 3.6% of your economy on defense whereas we spend 2.4%, one of the lowest figures in the world.
In the mean time India became a BRIC nation with the fastest growth rate in the world, whereas Pakistan's economy barely made a difference.

70 years and counting.

Forget about isolated, India now has more diplomatic clout than Pakistan ever hoped or not hoped we'd have.
We are slowly surrounding Pak with our superb diplomatic missions in all of Pakistan's surrounding neighborhood

70 years and counting.

And Pakistan's proxy war continues to dwindle.

It truly is a long haul fight, one that Pakistan is losing.

 

[Abingdonboy]

All forces trained in a specific manner to conduct covert/unconventional operations are designated as special forces. They are given specialised training and equipment specific to their task.

It is more appropriate to call such forces outside of the MoD as "specialised forces", not Special Forces- that is a very specific term and can only be applied to military units.

However, to contend the limitation of Special Forces in India to them is incorrect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Forces_of_India

This list is stupid, it has the SPG, Ghataks, CoBRA, NSG and even ITBP on it! All are specialsied forces- the SPG is the executive protection agency of India, the NSG is the federal government's intervention force, CoBRA are the CRPF's dedicated anti-naxal force but they are not Special Forces units. They ARE specialised units.

The Ghataks are Special Operations Capable infantry, again not SF.

I know SFF is a different 'beast'. But it is a specialised force under Cabinet Secretariat and a recognised 'Special Force' under MHA.

Only the MoD can have "true" SF units bro.

The SOCOM being raised will have all 3 military SF units and PERHAPS the NSG's SAG.

Incorrect. Both are now trained for similar tasks and undertake similar missions in CI roles, be it in valley or in NE. The troops are no more exclusively Tibetan now. The difference in training of VIKAS units only come in for area and for SG component

Additionally, the only difference is in SG, a successor to SOG which used to exist in post-independence years. The assault teams in SG have different troop composition and different roles for each assault team. Lets leave it at that.

I'm aware the SFF is hardly exclusively Tibetans these days and that the SG is 100% made up of Indian SF operators (mostly from PARA (SF) ) and the SG are the SFF's counter terror unit directly under the command of R&AW. There is an argument that SG is a Special Forces unit but I can't say that SFF is, again they are a specialised unit under R&AW's command.

 

[Hellfire]

@Abingdonboy I yield