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Growing Pak-Russia defence ties trouble India

Lol.......
these guys are delusional......
No they are just Butt-hurt from the Fact that India is Getting to much Global exposure from the West.Its a Act of Desperation Probably they themselves Know that they are Exaggerating things to much.Let Putin visit India in Dec they all will comeback to there Senses.:azn::azn:
 
got it, a single visit seems to bear very heavily on a 40 billion dollar deal
seems your guys dont have any faith in themselves.

even a hint of any such news about Pakistani international relations and your media, your bloggers and your government goes on an overdrive to convince the entire world how much it is "NOT BOTHERED", but the obsessive compulsive need to be the "FIRST" to react to such news everywhere shows that how much you guys are really bothered :)

Se ur countrymen's reaction too........both sides are doing it but u must realize the russian intentions here my friend.
 
Poor guys .Creating so much sensation for a single visit :lol:
And we are going to sign a 40 billion $
Fighter deal.

Pakistan's economy is flagging and its defense budget is a paltry $7 billion. In contrast India has a robust galloping economy with a defense budget of almost $50 billion. I doubt some advanced Russian weaponry can tilt the balance so much so that India feels threatened and out of place. India is now seriously pursuing her own military industrial complex and also importing heavily from the West. In such circumstances it is only natural that Russia too wants to expand her horizons. Besides, the emerging Russia-Pak relationship is purely economic in nature and a deep strategic relationship with Pakistan is highly unlikely considering that India still has deep ties with Russia.

Notwithstanding the claims in your posts, the fact of the matter is that it is the Indian establishment crying about the Pakistan-Russia relationship. The facts in the OP are as a result of what the Indian establishment is saying. And so, if you think Pakistan is so irrelevant, why is your establishment crying about the relationship between Pakistan and India?
 
ISLAMABAD: The mounting defence collaboration between Moscow and Islamabad, especially the lifting of the Russian embargo on arms supplies to Pakistan, has infuriated the Indian security establishment, which was opposing the sale of Mi-35 helicopters to Pakistan.

According to highly informed sources in the Pakistani security establishment, while setting aside the Indian opposition, the Putin administration had first lifted the embargo on Russian arms supplies to Pakistan in June this year. And now, in a major development, Moscow and Islamabad have moved forward by signing [on November 20, 2014] an ambitious agreement to expand defence and military ties, setting in motion a new era of teamwork between the former Cold War foes. The agreement was signed during an official visit by Russian Defence Minister General Sergey Shoygu with Defence Minister Khawaja Asif, who came down hard the other day on the US by describing it as an ‘untrustworthy friend’
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According to the Pak-Russia agreement, details of which are still being kept secret by both sides, Russia has agreed to supply 20 Mi-35 attack helicopters to Pakistan. The Mi-35 is the export version of the Mi-24 helicopter gunship. Weighing 12 tonnes, the helicopter gunship also has a cargo area that can hold up to eight people besides carrying rockets, missiles, bombs as well as an automatic cannon.

First produced in 2005 by the Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant, the multi-role helicopter is equipped with the latest navigation system, multifunction displays, target sights system that includes a thermal imager and TV channels, laser range finder and location finder. The Mi-35 helicopter boasts enhanced flight capabilities and can be operated even in the mountainous terrain of the Waziristan region where a military operation is on. Once formalised, the Mi-35 helicopter supply deal would be the biggest Russian military sale to Pakistan, with the latter also have shown interest in buying the Mi-28NE Havoc attack helicopters, as well as surface-to-air missile systems. Officials from both countries are expected to meet up shortly to give final touches to their defence deal, while overlooking the Indian fury.

According to sources in the Pakistani security establishment, the Indian side had been making frantic efforts through diplomatic channels to stop Russia from lifting the embargo on its military supplies to Pakistan. The Indians started building up pressure on Moscow early this year when the Russians first hinted at the possibility of inking a defence deal with Pakistan. Russia has long been the largest supplier of arms to India, which is the world’s leading arms buyer. However, Russia finally announced in June this year to lift the ban on arms supplies to Pakistan which had been in force for almost two decades. The Russian move instantly strained relations with India, with New Delhi warning Moscow to review the decision if it wants to keep friendly ties with the South Asian nuclear power.

In their efforts to pressurise Moscow into scrapping its decision, the Indian diplomats had even reminded their Russian counterparts of a hard hitting statement made by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin on October 14, 2012 [during his official visit to India for talks with then-Indian External Affairs Minister SM Krishna]. Rogozin told the Indian media while answering a question: “You must understand that we do not deal with your enemies. We don’t deliver any arms to them. If you see otherwise, you may spit on my face. We never created problems for India on its frontiers as did by some other countries.”

However, the Russian approach towards Pakistan seems to be changing in the wake of the imminent withdrawal of US-led Allied Forces from Afghanistan. The Pakistani Foreign Office circles say the Russian decision indicates a paradigm shift in its foreign policy, a kind of move which one sees once in decades. According to them, when a state takes such a decision, it is not without considering the pros and cons of the matter — the strategic takeaways and the possible pitfalls. But, the compelling reason may be the key role Pakistan is set to play in the “post US-withdrawal Afghanistan”. Hence, keeping in view the declining US influence in the region, Russia is already making efforts for a Pakistan-China-Russia axis by reaching out to Pakistan and China in a bid to improve its economic ties and to secure its southern borders against the spread of rising Islamic fundamentalism.

The Foreign Office circles in Islamabad agree that Islamabad, Beijing and Moscow have a commonality of interest in a stable Afghanistan. According to them, while bearing in mind the looming withdrawal of the Nato forces from Afghanistan, Russia fears that state failure in Afghanistan could cause a spillover of the Islamic fundamentalism into Central Asia, which could reach up to the southern regions of Russia. And having already faced bloody secessionist movements in Chechnya and the South Caucasus, this is not a scenario that Moscow would welcome. Therefore, while realising that any successful resolution of the problems associated with Afghanistan must involve Pakistan, Moscow is keen on improving ties with Islamabad.

At the same time, Pakistan is already trying to diversify its foreign policy after decades of fighting the Russian policies at the behest of Americans. Islamabad’s excessive participation in the US-led war on terror led to noticeable shrinkage of the parameters of its foreign policy. The Foreign Office circles in Islamabad point out that the kind of assistance it received from the US since the 9/11 attacks did little good to its declining economy. Even on the military front, the Americans were non-cooperative. For instance, Pakistan has been seeking for almost a decade new helicopter gunships from the United States [rather than used stuff] as it wanted to replace the 35 American AH-1S and AH-1F gunships it already has. At least six of these helicopters have already been lost in the last few years in anti-terrorism operations in Pak-Afghan tribal belt where helicopter gunships are heavily used and frequently shot at. But the Americans refused to supply the required helicopters, thus forcing Pakistan to approach Russia for the purchase of Mi-35 helicopters which are equally good.

The decision makers, both in Islamabad and Moscow, seem to have learnt their lessons. Therefore, the two countries have finally decided not to remain hostage to how Washington and Delhi react to their warming of ties, which is a good omen not only for Pakistan and Russia but for the whole region.


Growing Pak-Russia defence ties trouble India - thenews.com.pk

How will it going to affect Pakistani military purchases from China, is there any chance of clipping weapon purchase from China to accommodate the Russians.
 
Notwithstanding the claims in your posts, the fact of the matter is that it is the Indian establishment crying about the Pakistan-Russia relationship. The facts in the OP are as a result of what the Indian establishment is saying. And so, if you think Pakistan is so irrelevant, why is your establishment crying about the relationship between Pakistan and India?

Not facts. Speculations by the Pakistan security establishment. Read the article again. In any case, India will try its best to scuttle the deal. If we're able to persuade the Russians to cancel the deal, why not? If the deal gets cancelled good for us. If it doesn't we have little reason to worry. But we'll definitely try :D
 
Not facts. Speculations by the Pakistan security establishment. Read the article again. In any case, India will try its best to scuttle the deal. If we're able to persuade the Russians to cancel the deal, why not? If the deal gets cancelled good for us. If it doesn't we have little reason to worry. But we'll definitely try :D

But the following is not "speculation from Pakistan security establishment", correct?

India draws 'red line' on Russia-Pakistan deal as Deputy PM gets set to visit | Daily Mail Online

So much for your establishment not worrying about Pakistan? :lol:
 
So much for your establishment not worrying about Pakistan? :lol:

Read well before you respond. India has nothing to worry about Pakistan. We're just following protocol in trying to scuttle the deal. If we succeed GREAT. If we don't no big deal.
 
Read well before you respond. India has nothing to worry about Pakistan. We're just following protocol in trying to scuttle the deal. If we succeed GREAT. If we don't no big deal.

I have read your post well. It contains speculation from you about what the Indian government thinks. Indian government has not said anything similar to what you claim. Your government tried so hard to stop the F-16 deal, it is so obvious your government does not feel easy about this deal given the comments they make.
 
Indian Defence budget is 38.5Billion dollars,i don't know how indians in almost every threat shoot it upto 50Billion dollars.

I don't see Pakistan quoting the pakistan Defence budget as 11.48Billion dollars(overall) but rather instead 7Billion dollars.
 
and you are Elite who trolls Like 8 year old.Nevertheless I'm Right Now On Verge complete my doctorate.And Yes My father working as Senior Consul in Moscow Under Indian Foreign Service.

Oh I'm a troll? You we see you whining like a .... On this thread aswell as on others? You should really shove the doc degree where the sun don't shine ۔۔ coz seriously you have the thought process of a 17 year old sappy chick..:lol:
 
Bro look at their media.So much sensation.But they actually dont know the other side of the Russian business.We had decades of experience and latest Ins Vikramaditya .
They will suck much amount of money.American weapons are much better in maintenance and repair.Russian weapons :D well they are going to feel it.

They say a smart guy gets bitten once .. He doesn't shove his hand in a snakes .. Everytime .. Hard to say that about india... Also lets be honest .. You guys are saying it's nothing and so on... Right? Just few months back you were jumping up n down with rozgins statement.. not believing russia will ever sell weapons to Pak.. Your govt trying its best to stop the weapons sale n so on.. Another funny thing is that most of you guys are whining about defence imports from Russia ? Well it's sad man.. It's you who are dependent on the Russians for ammo,spares and so on.. Not the other way around... That's exactly why the Russians hike the price wherever and whenever possible .. I mean comeon you guys even import ammo [ for t-72s according to member..(this is an eg) ]..
 
They say a smart guy gets bitten once .. He doesn't shove his hand in a snakes .. Everytime .. Hard to say that about india... Also lets be honest .. You guys are saying it's nothing and so on... Right? Just few months back you were jumping up n down with rozgins statement.. not believing russia will ever sell weapons to Pak.. Your govt trying its best to stop the weapons sale n so on.. Another funny thing is that most of you guys are whining about defence imports from Russia ? Well it's sad man.. It's you who are dependent on the Russians for ammo,spares and so on.. Not the other way around... That's exactly why the Russians hike the price wherever and whenever possible .. I mean comeon you guys even import ammo [ for t-72s according to member..(this is an eg) ]..

Lol :lol:
Initially our govt have some concerns about their diplomatic movements.But
later they themselves convinced us about that developments.So we just warn diplomatically about it .Just a standarding operating procedure.Thats all
AFAIK Pak media dont have any idea about depth of our relation with Russia.That is why they gloating like this.

After all only India and China support them when they invade Crimea .Where was your Pakistan at that time?
Gosh even Putin thanked us for our support in Ukraine issue when he acknowledge their Parliament following the events.
So dude .It is just another level.
But we dont have any issue if they supplied non crucial equipments to Pakistan.


Look man We bought weapons from Russia by giving hardcash them.Not on the basis of loan or aid.
We can switch to any other system if we want because economy can afford such changes.But that mean a complete diplonatic fallout with Russia.
Something that never going to happen.Russia will remain as our close friend even in the future.
 
$400 billion in 30 years time frame to much exaggeration.even indo - Chinese trade will reach a trillion $ figure in same time frame.so what's the point you are stating here.as for older ally russian are much more older allies of india they always supported india permanent seat in security council and Indian position on kashmir. Even though Chinese took different stance against india.
The $ 400 billion is just a small part of it, they are trading in everything else too.The Indian Billions in JVs are spread on how long? On what are you basing your Indo-Chinese previsions (speculation) of one $ trillion trade in the next 30 years?
Their deal is concrete and has been signed and approved.
 
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