Grid being set up to import electricity from India

[KS]

Somebody knock some sense in Manmohan please...even if it's an Herculean task.

 

[tamygu]

This is good business opportunity for india ie selling electricity to pak.Its better that india should harness all hydel power of rivers flowing into pakistan ie indus,jhelum chenab by building huge numbers of dams and then sell electricity to pak.That way it will also solve water problem in northen india by making some 200-300 big & small dams in kashmir and pakistan can be kept in check too by threat of cutting the water supply through diverting those rivers to sindh directly via indiragandhi canal in rajasthan to meet the sindh at kotri barrage.issay kahate hain aam ke aam aur guthaliyon ke daam

 

[53fd]

^^ Thats outdated data

http://www.ipclindia.com/IPCLCorporateProfile_March-2011.pdf
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So per capita electricty consumption, 733 kWh for India and 470 kWh for Pakistan.

You're using different sources. In Trading Economics, India's per capita consumption in January 2007 was 542.09 KWH, whereas the other source you quoted says that India's per capita consumption in 2007-08 was 717.13 KWH.

 

[Roybot]

You're using different sources. In Trading Economics, India's per capita consumption in January 2007 was 542.09 KWH, whereas the other source you quoted says that India's per capita consumption in 2007-08 was 717.13 KWH.

Yes thats why I said its outdated data, and trading economics is not a reliable source.

The figures I quoted are from power and electricity authorities of Gov of India and Gov of Pakistan.

 

[53fd]

Yes thats why I said its outdated data,

But your figures aren't up-to-date either.

and trading economics is not a reliable source.

Our data is regularly checked for inconsistencies and based on official sources; with the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, central banks and national statistics bureaus being the most important.

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The figures I quoted are from power and electricity authorities of Gov of India and Gov of Pakistan.

Well, I can't argue with that, but just show you that according to the 2011 EDI index by the IEA, India's EDI is 0.294 whereas Pakistan's is 0.27. According to the World Bank 2009 data, India has 66.3% access to electricity (%), whereas Pakistan has 62.4% access to electricity (%):

Access to electricity (% of population) | Data | Table

At the end of the day, we all know that the Indian government underestimates many of its parameters (like poverty), so I wouldn't be surprised if they overestimated their positive parameters (they've done that before as well). If the World Bank, IMF, CIA World Factbook, UN think it's reliable, they'll include it in their reports. I'm sorry, I just don't deem these sources you quoted to be reliable.

 

[Roybot]

But your figures aren't up-to-date either.

Thats the latest figure available.

Here's similar figure from KPMG

The average per capita consumption of electricity in India is estimated to be 704 kWh during 2008-09.
http://www.kpmg.de/docs/PowerSector_2010.pdf

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At the end of the day, we all know that the Indian government underestimates many of its parameters (like poverty), so I wouldn't be surprised if they overestimated their positive parameters (they've done that before as well). If the World Bank, IMF, CIA World Factbook, UN think it's reliable, they'll include it in their reports. I'm sorry, I just don't deem these sources you quoted to be reliable.

You might have more trust and faith in some random website like tradingeconomics than your own Government of Pakistan, I don't. The data released from Government of India and other government authorities is what I believe.

Although off topic, India doesn't underestimate poverty, India just has a different yardstick for measuring poverty. Am not going to go into that anymore.

Why is it so hard to believe and accept that India has pulled ahead of Pakistan in the last decade? India has added a lot of power to its grid unlike Pakistan. So obviously per capita consumption will shoot up. Its no rocket science.

If it wasn't for Pakistan's WOT and other f up's, Pakistan's per capita consumption figure would have improved too.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

it's a good move & can be a step forward towards a good relationship between
India & Pakistan & i totally support it

http://www.crossed-flag-pins.com/Friendship-Pins/Pakistan/Flag-Pins-Pakistan-India.jpg

ps: to the respected keyboard warriors from both side's of the borders the topic is not about DATA so please just chill guys .

 

[53fd]

Thats the latest figure available.

Here's similar figure from KPMG





You might have more trust and faith in some random website like tradingeconomics than your own Government of Pakistan, I don't. The data released from Government of India and other government authorities is what I believe.

Although off topic, India doesn't underestimate poverty, India just has a different yardstick for measuring poverty. Am not going to go into that anymore.

Why is it so hard to believe and accept that India has pulled ahead of Pakistan in the last decade? India has added a lot of power to its grid unlike Pakistan. So obviously per capita consumption will shoot up. Its no rocket science.

If it wasn't for Pakistan's WOT and other f up's, Pakistan's per capita consumption figure would have improved too.

The link you gave to me if from 2008-09. I have given you the 2009 data from World Bank statistics, & for me, that is more credible than what the Indian government says. If the Indian government's data is reliable, it will be used by the World Bank. I have also quoted you statistics from the IEA to support my argument, I'm not talking about trading economics here.

 

[Roybot]

The link you gave to me if from 2008-09. I have given you the 2009 data from World Bank statistics, & for me, that is more credible than what the Indian government says. If the Indian government's data is reliable, it will be used by the World Bank. I have also quoted you statistics from the IEA to support my argument, I'm not talking about trading economics here.

Where do you think world bank gets it data from? Do you think they go to each and every power plant in India and other 195 countries and then measure the amount of electricity produced?

No they don't. All the figures come from respective government run agencies. No point arguing anymore, I gave you figures from Government of India and Government of Pakistan, if you don't want to believe it, then so be it.

There is always a lag of year or two with the WB and IMF figures when compared to the figures released by different countries.

 

[Bang Galore]

India does not have any large power surplus to give it to Pakistan. Neither India is an energy exporter, infact India is a large energy importer. Pakistan should get the electricity from Iran since they have already offered Pakistan 10,000 MW of electricity at rate half of the IPP's. This amount of electricity is enough to take care of entire Pakistani shortage which is less than 7,000 MW and is cheap enough to show the door to the unreliable IPP's.

True about India as a whole but states bordering Pakistan;especially Gujarat have surplus power. Getting electricity from Iran is a sensible idea , whether they have surplus today is moot. Eventually, i believe that Pakistan will be much better served if they buy electricity directly from Iran or have a natural gas pipeline just till their border & have massive power plants positioned there.
Easier to protect a power plant than a 1000 miles of pipeline. Also easier to repair any damaged power transmission network. A lot cheaper too.

Pakistan would much rather import electricity from a country like Iran that is a huge energy exporter & high electrification rates (98.5%), unlike India which is a net energy importer & has electrification rates similar to Pakistan.

Would?? If that was the case, you would not be having this discussion. High electrification rates are a poor barometer especially if Iran is consuming all the electricity that it produces. No one is about to divert a chunk of their own use for anyone else regardless of their electrification rates.

Pakistan shouild concentrate on developing its coal resources for Eletricity production. Any deal with the Indians is a lose lose proposition for Pakistan.

It is a lose, lose position for you guys today. I'm surprised that so many are treating this as an either/or situation. Pakistan needs to build up its power capacity but that is both a long term goal & a not so inexpensive one. What do you propose happen till then? Pakistan to have power shortage like it has now? With that affecting growth where do you think the money for future power plants come from? People need to be practical, not emotional. Unfortunately, many Pakistanis seem to have a problem with that.They can take a leaf out of the India-China relationship. No point in cutting off one's nose to spite the face.

 

[Gautam]

its quite funny that pakistan is importing the electricity from India but my pakistani friend still want to believe that both countries have same electricity stock!

India imports oil because it has shortage. we can't export it. similarly if we are exporting electricity meaning we have that in access. what is so hard to understand?

 

[KS]

The link you gave to me if from 2008-09. I have given you the 2009 data from World Bank statistics, & for me, that is more credible than what the Indian government says. If the Indian government's data is reliable, it will be used by the World Bank. I have also quoted you statistics from the IEA to support my argument, I'm not talking about trading economics here.

Now it has become World Bank which decides what GoI releases is credible or not.

 

[IceCold]

You know most people here from both sides specially our Indians friends here are so full of shyt that they cant even just appreciate a business deal between the two countries.
Let me ask you guys what harm will it bring to India if it sells electricity to Pakistan? And to Pakistanis what harm will it give to Pakistan if we start importing electricity from India, the only harm i see is that there will be less electricity shortage in Pakistan and we Internet warriors have less issues to marginalize the other.

 

[Storm Force]

Ice your comments are VERY SENSIBLE.

But there are PDF members who would rather pay double for the power ,,,ELSEWHERE and take twice as long AS oppose to buying from india.

ITS a cave man attitude that costs DEARLY in the long run.

I think its a good move to import power from your immediate neighbour

 

[53fd]

Where do you think world bank gets it data from? Do you think they go to each and every power plant in India and other 195 countries and then measure the amount of electricity produced?

No they don't. All the figures come from respective government run agencies.

Of course they get it from government run agencies, but they interpret the data they get from them differently, & apply different standards on it. It's not about me what I want to believe or not, I just read about a couple of weeks ago that India overestimated its exports by $9 billion, it's overestimated its water availability, among many other things. So I am skeptical about the figures the Indian government puts out, but I am willing to accept them if the WB/IMF/UN quotes them in their report.