Greek racist Song - by Greek Special Forces

[Aslan]

Most Russians, like myself, accept the fact that our country has done bad things, unfortunately i can't say that for everyone, and the two million figure you gave is a high esstimate, some sources place the figure at one million, and they weren't all "innocent civilians" a large percentage was Mujas and many of those "innocent civilians" would shoot at Russians, i know this becuase my uncle was Spetsnaz in Afghanistan, and the remaining civilian causualties was calateral damage, of course i'm not denying some innocent people were perposely targeted.

How ludicrous of you to say that, you are here defending the greeks for their killings. I would have wanted to carry on the debate with you but then according to you the russians didn't kill alot of innocent Afghanis, and the ones that were innocent were not innocent because they some times shot at your brave soldiers. How dare they, after all you guys were just only invading their country while killing many Afghans. That should have been tolerated after all, you were teaching the barbarians a lesson in humanity. The rest is all history.


We were invited:



^^^ That was the best one.








What happened to all of the Christians from Turkey?

They still live there if you had not noticed.




What was Turkey's bussiness in killing Armaians?

That don't answer my question about the Crimean Muslims and many other Muslim countries that were annexed by the Ruskies.

I know that you are going to come back to talk about the armenian "genocide", but are again going to avoid answering the dark history of your own country. Talk is cheap, if Turkey has to be held responsible for the genocide of Armenians then first the Russians them selves have to answer for the killing of countless numbers of Muslims of the areas that they annexed, and also the Killings that are still going on in Chechen, and areas around it.

 

[ptldM3]

I know that you are going to come back to talk about the armenian "genocide", but are again going to avoid answering the dark history of your own country.

Next time read my post, i quoted myself, now tell we what i'm avoiding, i did acknowledge Russia's wrong doing.

Most Russians, like myself, accept the fact that our country has done bad things, unfortunately i can't say that for everyone

i'm not denying some innocent people were purposely targeted

Talk is cheap, if Turkey has to be held responsible for the genocide of Armenians then first the Russians them selves have to answer for the killing of countless numbers of Muslims of the areas that they annexed, and also the Killings that are still going on in Chechen, and areas around it.

It's spelled Chechnya and to this day Chechens continue to commit acts of terrorism, are you telling me those terrorists are 'inocent' or they shouldn't be arrested and punished? Like i said i know what Russia has done and i'm not in denial of anything but people like yourself seem to oblivious to the fact that the Armanian Genocide was a very REAL and very DOCUMENTED event.

On one hand you're in denial of the Armanian Genocide but on the other hand you accuse Russia of genocide, once you have a FAIR and balanced view come talk to me, otherwise take your double standards elsewhere.

That was the best one

No the best one is having evidence to back up your claim, it really is "the best one" becuase i have shown you two sources that back up my claims and you have yet to show me jack, let me educate you again:

However, that directive was only a massive expansion of what the CIA had already been doing since 1980 under a finding signed by President Carter on July 3, 1979, five months before the Soviet forces were invited into Afghanistan to suppress that destabilization

The First Destabilization of Afghanistan was Aimed at the Soviet Federation | The Institute for Economic Democracy

Is your face red yet?

 

[Iggy]

No offense but I dont know why Pakistanis is getting emotional over the issue?How many of you really think Pakistan will enter war with Greece if a war with Greece and Turkey happened?

 

[Luftwaffe]

ptldm3...reminding others? let me remind you too.."The Circassian Genocide" 18th century! I can explain in detail if you want its a historical fact!
when russians fingers with others home you'll get the same you stop terrorism for your oil and minerals and greed others will stop too. masters of terrorism from 18th century to 19th century (Afghanistan) still don't remember wrong doings of russia? were u in hibernation chamber?!

 

[ptldM3]

ptldm3...reminding others? let me remind you too.."The Circassian Genocide" 18th century! I can explain in detail if you want its a historical fact!
when russians fingers with others home you'll get the same you stop terrorism for your oil and minerals and greed others will stop too. masters of terrorism from 18th century to 19th century (Afghanistan) still don't remember wrong doings of russia? were u in hibernation chamber?!

Read my posts, i am not denying Russia has commited mass murder actually i acknowlede it; however, there are some narrow minded/bias individuals that are in denial of the Armanian Genocide, again read before you accuse me of being in denial becuase i really don't want to keep quoting myself.

 

[Aslan]

Next time read my post, i quoted myself, now tell we what i'm avoiding, i did acknowledge Russia's wrong doing.








It's spelled Chechnya and to this day Chechens continue to commit acts of terrorism, are you telling me those terrorists are 'inocent' or they shouldn't be arrested and punished? Like i said i know what Russia has done and i'm not in denial of anything but people like yourself seem to oblivious to the fact that the Armanian Genocide was a very REAL and very DOCUMENTED event.

On one hand you're in denial of the Armanian Genocide but on the other hand you accuse Russia of genocide, once you have a FAIR and balanced view come talk to me, otherwise take your double standards elsewhere.



No the best one is having evidence to back up your claim, it really is "the best one" becuase i have shown you two sources that back up my claims and you have yet to show me jack, let me educate you again:




The First Destabilization of Afghanistan was Aimed at the Soviet Federation | The Institute for Economic Democracy

Is your face red yet?

No my face is not red because I understand the fruitlessness of argueing with some one who cant comprehend simple facts. You keep talking about Afghanistan and I am trying to take you attention to something that happened before that, when the kings of russia were brutally conquring and killing the muslims in their neighbouring countries. But guess what you have conveniently avoided that question 3 times. So the moral of story is that when arguing with you its better that I would rather do this >
And no you were not invited in Afghanistan you conveniently created an atmosphere of anarchy by collaborating with the ruler of the time and then killed him first. But then again you are defending the wrongs of your past. And the Chechen 400 years of terrorising them and now if they retaliated you are crying foul. Good luck with another genocide oops sorry not another rather the continuation of the old one.

 

[Aslan]

No offense but I dont know why Pakistanis is getting emotional over the issue?How many of you really think Pakistan will enter war with Greece if a war with Greece and Turkey happened?

Well no offence its just like when many indians here jump into any Pakistan Israel debate and act if it is their national duty to address the issue and defend the Jews. Like wise in fact they do it out of the hate for us, but we love our Turkish brothers. And not every thing is about fighting wars from one side or another.

 

[Aslan]

Read my posts, i am not denying Russia has commited mass murder actually i acknowlede it; however, there are some narrow minded/bias individuals that are in denial of the Armanian Genocide, again read before you accuse me of being in denial becuase i really don't want to keep quoting myself.

You dont need to qoute your seld I will do that for you:

Most Russians, like myself, accept the fact that our country has done bad things, unfortunately i can't say that for everyone, and the two million figure you gave is a high esstimate, some sources place the figure at one million, and they weren't all "innocent civilians" a large percentage was Mujas and many of those "innocent civilians" would shoot at Russians, i know this becuase my uncle was Spetsnaz in Afghanistan, and the remaining civilian causualties was calateral damage, of course i'm not denying some innocent people were perposely targeted.


And then you said that:

We were invited.


And you have not talked about any thing else but the Afghan war and there also you are defending your country by blaming the Afghans for shooting at you.............Lame.

 

[ptldM3]

No my face is not red because I understand the fruitlessness of argueing with some one who cant comprehend simple facts. You keep talking about Afghanistan and I am trying to take you attention to something that happened before that,

BlackBlood brought up Afghanitan and then you resurrected it

I responded to this pointless quote:

ans me WTF was your business in Afghanistan

when the kings of russia were brutally concurring and killing the muslims in their neighbouring countries. But guess what you have conveniently avoided that question 3 times. So the moral of story is that when arguing with you its better that I would rather do this >

Don't put words in my mouth, i have, on several occasians, stated that Russia was responsible for mass killings.

And no you were not invited in Afghanistan you conveniently created an atmosphere of anarchy by collaborating with the ruler of the time and then killed him first. But then again you are defending the wrongs of your past.

There you go again...re-writing history, do you choose what's factual and whats not?

And the Chechen 400 years of terrorising them and now if they retaliated you are crying foul. Good luck with another genocide oops sorry not another rather the continuation of the old one.

Tasteless, disrespecteful, pathetic, and insulting to the innocent Russians that were just killed in two seperate blasts.

 

[Aslan]

BlackBlood brought up Afghanitan and then you resurrected it

I responded to this pointless quote:






Don't put words in my mouth, i have, on several occasians, stated that Russia was responsible for mass killings.



There you go again...re-writing history, do you choose what's factual and whats not?

The above I have already answered.





Tasteless, disrespecteful, pathetic, and insulting to the innocent Russians that were just killed in two seperate blasts.


My sympathies to the innocent Russians and I didn't know that any such thing have taken place, I made that comment on the retaliation towards the military. Hope that makes it clear. Any act of terrorism towards the innocent people is not right, as we in Pakistan experience the same. Once again I will make my self clear that I had made that comment towards the military retaliation and not otherwise.
But I guess that one day you might be able to do the same for the innocent Chechen's who have been killed by your military.

 

[Sino-PakFriendship]

ha ha

Of course the thread starter is Turk

We China must support Greece

 

[sur]

No offense but I dont know why Pakistanis is getting emotional over the issue?...

They say, "there's a reason behind my madness"

 

[YorgosC]

As someone who has served his manadatory year of service with the Greek Raider Forces(Monades Katadromon) I have to say that what you people have watched in the video has nothing to do with what average Greek people think of Turkey or the Turks for that matter.

True most Greeks don't particularly like Turks but the majority are generally indifferent towards them. Certainly most ordinary people are by no means ready to abandon their lives and rush to recapture Istanbul or Asia Minor or whatever. And this is huge progress, comparing to the post-1974 era when anti-Turkish sentiment rose uncontrollably. If anything we feel that Turkey poses a threat to Greek sovereignity more than the other way around.

Now, what you see in the video though is soldiers singing morale boosting tunes. Yes, they are degrading to both Turks and Albanians but it's kind of understandable. These people are to be the 1st line of defense if the Turks ever decide to attack. They are Greece's elite troops and they know it. The nation has very high expectations of them in case of war and everybody expects them to be the ultimate Turk-killing machines.
I tell you I served with them, and i saw myself turning from a peace loving, laid back, guy to a "Turkofagos"("Turk-eater") as we sarcastically call people that are always ready to deal excessive and harm to the Turks here in Greece.
From the 1st day of joining the battalion for duty, the officers, the NCOs, everybody, makes sure to remind you that "the Turks will break through the borderand violate our mothers and sisters" if we are not vigilant, trained to painful perfection and always ready for war.
And it is true. Compared to the rest of the Greek armed forces the Raider Forces(the land commandos in other words) are always on alert and ready to be deployed wherever they are ordered to within an hour.

The pressure is unbelievable on the avergae soldier, especially a conscript like I was. Imagine that for a second!
You are an 18-19 year old guy, only recently mature enough to break free from your house and your parent's control. You probably only just moved in with your girflriend as well. In short words you are on your way to becoming a young independent man finally and then...ZAP! Without warning,you're in bootcamp, exhausted and in total pain after having run 25 miles, full gear on, and the ******* sergeant screaming in your ear "Go faster! Push harder ladies! Don't worry about ripping your skirts now, girls! Faster!".

So much tension builds up inside you that you feel you're either going to explode or kill somene with your bare hands unless you can let off some steam somehow.

That's when the singing and chanting starts. You see? It's a clever way the commanding officers have come up with to relieve the troops of such tensions while building a sense of esprit-du-corps and unity against the "common enemy".

Next morning after a good night's rest all the killer insticts suddenly die down and those same people you see on the video are back to normal and watching Turkish sitcoms on TV.

I would bet that Turkish Special Forces have their own repertoire of special songs dedicated to us, the Greek people, and our momma's and sisters...

Bottom line is most of us who served in the Greek Armed Forces have no hatred against the Turkish people and/or soldiers. And all of us wish against any kind of armed conflict between our people.

That being said though, if duty calls upon us to join the Forces to defend our lands, we'll skin their Turkish ***** raw and take no prisoners...we're in such economic dire straits, as many of the forumites here have noted, that we would hardly be able to provide for them anyway...

With best regards,
Yorgos C
Contributing a greek point of view to the conversation