Greek media: we're now dead, Turks have mastered Rafale secrets

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Against a f****** small town in Syria under ragtag militias!

Turkish Army killed over 3.000 ISIS and over 500 SDF-YPG Terrorists in Jarablus , Azaz , Rai , Dabıq and Al Bab


on the other hand , 150.000+ İraqi and Kurdish Peshmerge forces + 1.000 Canadian/French Special Forces
also American-French Airforces took Mosul from 10.000 ISIS terrorists in 15 months
and 10.000+ civilians lost their lives in Mosul

Turkish Army has world record to fight terrorism .....



btw Turkish Armed Forces took Cyprus in 2 days ( 20-22 july 1974 )

between 1964-1974
Greeks : If you're brave, come and get it ( Cesursan gel al )


in 1974
TURKS : You said If you are brave, come and get it ... We are Turks, we are brave, we came and we got it!
( Cesursan gel al demiştin Biz Türk'üz cesuruz, geldik ve aldık.! )

Bu kadar yürekten çağırma beni/Bir gece ansızın gelebilirim

 

[Foinikas]

on the other hand , 150.000+ İraqi and Kurdish Peshmerge forces + 1.000 Canadian/French Special Forces
also American-French Airforces took Mosul from 10.000 ISIS terrorists in 15 months
and 10.000+ civilians lost their lives in Mosul

Comparing Mosul to Al Bab is like comparing Izmir to Bodrum Mosul is huge.

Turkish Army has world record to fight terrorism

Where do you find these lines?

btw Turkish Armed Forces took Cyprus in 2 days

If you took Cyprus in "2 days" then why:
1.Is about 60% of Cyprus not under Turkish control
2.You needed a second operation in August?

The war lasted 4 weeks,not 2 days. But I like your bragging. It's really amusing.

 

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Comparing Mosul to Al Bab is like comparing Izmir to Bodrum Mosul is huge.

Comparing 6400 Turkish soldiers to 150.000+ İraqi and Kurdish Peshmerge forces + 1.000 Canadian/French Special Forces

also American/French Airforces bombed Mosul day and night

still USA/France/İraq took Mosul from ISIS in 15 months

Where do you find these lines?

not Russian , not Chinese , not German , not French , not British


but only Turkish Army fought against 2 big terror organizations PKK/YPG and ISIS since 2015

and a total of 18,296 Terrorists have been killed in Turkiye,İraq and Syria,since July 24, 2015

If you took Cyprus in "2 days" then why:
1.Is about 60% of Cyprus not under Turkish control
2.You needed a second operation in August?

The war lasted 4 weeks,not 2 days. But I like your bragging. It's really amusing.

We would take Cyprus in 2 days , if we used full of power


but USA , The EU even USSR forced Turkiye not to take all Cyprus
and Turkey accepted the resolution 353 of the United Nations Security Council and decided to cease fire as on July 22, 1974

The second operation was launched on 14 August, upon the news that the genocide was continuing in Turkish villages

At the end of the third day of the Second Peace Operation, 38% of the island lands were captured and the targeted Famagusta-Lefke line was reached


just 3 days and game over

 

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We would take Cyprus in 2 days

just 3 days and game over

Yeah,I don't think so. As things turned out you had to fight a lot harder against a smaller and inferior equipped army that was previously undermined by Makarios' Leadership and then the political disarray of the coup. And still it took you that long to take 38% of the island.

 

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Yeah,I don't think so. As things turned out you had to fight a lot harder against a smaller and inferior equipped army that was previously undermined by Makarios' Leadership and then the political disarray of the coup. And still it took you that long to take 38% of the island.

That was cease fire between July 22 and 14 august
and No political solution found in Geneva Conferences

We have started the 2nd operation on 14 august 1974
only 3 days were enough to take 38% of the island..... ( between 14-16 august 1974 )


Greeks were hiding behind USA,The EU , USSR
and Greek Cypriots with heavy weapons attacked unarmed Turkish Cypriots


between 1964-1974
Greeks : If you're brave, come and get it ( Cesursan gel al )

in 1974
TURKS : You said If you are brave, come and get it ... We are Turks, we are brave, we came and we got it!
( Cesursan gel al demiştin Biz Türk'üz cesuruz, geldik ve aldık.! )

 

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To be honest Rafale makes mincemeat out of 1990s era F-16C. AESA compared to 1990s radar is 2 levels up. Turkey is under arms embargo is at significant disadvantage.

 

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We dont care about AESA

Turkish F-16C has network centric warfare capability via link-16 datalink to use Boeing E7T AEWC's PESA Radar to detect Rafale from 300-350 km away and to guide AIM-120C7 a2a missile on Rafale


Rafale has only a2a missile advantage called METEOR

but Turkiye has lethal Air Defense System S400 to block Aegean against Greek Rafales





btw Turkiye develops MIUS unmanned stealth Fighter Jet

The MIUS will be able to fight against the highest capacity Fighter Jets , as well as it will open new horizons in air combat through its advantages of unmanned combat, autonomy provided by artificial intelligence and cost-effectiveness

in addition to possessing the same advanced characteristics as 5th-generation stealth Fighters


-- MIUS will have stealth capability with Internal weapon stations
-- MIUS will have AESA Radar - data link for cooperative engagement capability to use 600 km EIRS early warning AESA Radar and 450 km CAFRAD naval AESA Radar to detect Rafale or SU-35 and to guide GOKHAN ramjet engine long range air to air missiles on Rafale or SU-35

stealth MIUS can detect Rafale , MIG-29M2 , SU-35 , F-15 , before they detect MIUS and game over in BVR combat

 

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hat was cease fire between July 22, 1974 and 14 august 1974
and No political solution found in Geneva Conferences

We have started the 2nd operation on 14 august 1974
only 3 days were enough to take 38% of the island..... ( between 14-16 august 1974 )

Greeks were hiding behind USA,The EU , USSR

Ioannides' junta of 1974 was fanatically pro-American,yet the Americans and the British supported indirectly the Turkish side. There was no EU back then. The USSR had friendly relations with Turkey since the early 1920s.

and Greek Cypriots with heavy weapons attacked unarmed Turkish Cypriots

"Unarmed Turkish Cypriots"

The Turkish Cypriot enclaves had their own militia forces.

between 1964-1974
Greeks : If you're brave, come and get it ( Cesursan gel al )

in 1974
TURKS : You said If you are brave, come and get it ... We are Turks, we are brave, we came and we got it!
( Cesursan gel al demiştin Biz Türk'üz cesuruz, geldik ve aldık.! )

Evet,evet...

 

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To be honest Rafale makes mincemeat out of 1990s era F-16C. AESA compared to 1990s radar is 2 levels up. Turkey is under arms embargo is at significant disadvantage.

No matter what you tell him,he will post the same long list of "indigenous" Turkish projects and go on about how they are making better technology than the Western countries and probably China,Japan and Korea too.
He will brag about future acquisitions that may or may not come in 2025 or 2030. But like you said,if the Americans and some Western Europeans impose a strict embargo and more sanctions,they will not even have spare parts to fly the F-16s and will be left with drones and dreams of 5th generation aircraft.

 

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The Turkish Cypriot enclaves had their own militia forces.

Yes Turkish Cypriot enclaves had only Rifles against Greek Cypriots with heavy weapons including Tanks


and clashes from 24 july to 13 august ? but not the Turkish Armed Forces
Turkish Cypriots vs Greek Cypriots

I am saying again
We have started the 2nd operation on 14 august 1974
only 3 days were enough to take 38% of the island..... ( between 14-16 august 1974 )

Ioannides' junta of 1974 was fanatically pro-American,yet the Americans and the British supported indirectly the Turkish side. There was no EU back then. The USSR had friendly relations with Turkey since the early 1920s.

The USSR had friendly relations with Turkey since the early 1920s ? but until 1938

USSR threatened Turkiye to take part of Turkiye including İstanbul

USA threatened Turkiye about military operation in Cyprus

Dou you know about famous letter dated June 5, 1964 ?
American President Johnson stated that the US was against a possible operation and He said that the US would not help if Turkey's intervention in Cyprus caused a conflict with the Soviet Union

 

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No matter what you tell him,he will post the same long list of "indigenous" Turkish projects and go on about how they are making better technology than the Western countries and probably China,Japan and Korea too.
He will brag about future acquisitions that may or may not come in 2025 or 2030. But like you said,if the Americans and some Western Europeans impose a strict embargo and more sanctions,they will not even have spare parts to fly the F-16s and will be left with drones and dreams of 5th generation aircraft.

1-- Turkiye stocked up tons of spare parts to fly the F-16s
also Turkiye use UCAVs instead of F-16s , that means less flight, less maintenance and spare parts needed

2-- Turkiye has S400 Air Defense Systems to turn Rafale into crap of metal

3-- MIUS unmanned stealth Fighter Jet will be ready until 2025 ....... not by 2030

4 -- Qatar and Turkiye have signed a deal to deploy Fighter Jets up to 36 units in Turkiye
( Qatar has Rafale , F-15QA and soon Eurofighter )



so a few Rafales can not change anything .......... HULUSI AKAR ( Minister of National Defence )

 

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Yes Turkish Cypriot enclaves had only Rifles against Greek Cypriots with heavy weapons including Tanks

Is that why places like Gyoneli were heavily fortified in anticipation of the Invasion?
The Aphrodite 2 plan of the Greek Cypriots was to capture the Turkish enclaves and prevent them from uniting with the Turkish forces. The Turkish Cypriot militias outnumbered the Cypriot NG.

Dou you know about famous letter dated June 5, 1964 ?
American President Johnson stated that the US was against a possible operation and He said that the US would not help if Turkey's intervention in Cyprus caused a conflict with the Soviet Union

The Americans did nothing to prevent it. They did not stop Turkey from invading the island,they did not help the Greek Army to send equipment to the island,in fact what people in Greece believe is that Cyprus was betrayed by the Ioannides junta to please the Americans.

 

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1-- Turkiye stocked up tons of spare parts to fly the F-16s

I know that,it had been rumored since the Americans kicked Turkey out of the F-35 program. It makes sense actually.

2-- Turkiye has S400 Air Defense Systems to turn Rafale into crap of metal

You have been c/ping that same line dozens of times on this forum. But the S-400s are turned off,turning them on and using them would enrage USA and many NATO members. I find your overconfidence on the S-400s against the Rafale,very funny. Other members had pointed out to you that the Rafale could have more than a chance against the S-400s,however you kept insisting. On paper it's an incredibly potent system.
Supposedly one of the best Air Defence systems in the world! But...it's largely untested in real combat.
The last few years I found the reluctance of the Russians to use the S-300 and S-400 in Syria and elsewhere,as very suspicious.

3-- MIUS unmanned stealth Fighter Jet will be ready until 2025 ....... not by 2030

By 2025 we will probably have a squadron of Rafales and a number of F-16Vs.

4 -- Qatar and Turkiye have signed a deal to deploy Fighter Jets up to 36 units in Turkiye
( Qatar has Rafale , F-15QA and soon Eurofighter )

And? What will they do? Declare war against us? Ok,then the UAE and Saudi Arabia will turn against them.
I'm sure the remember the blockade imposed on them by almost all neighboring countries.

 

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The Americans did nothing to prevent it. They did not stop Turkey from invading the island,they did not help the Greek Army to send equipment to the island,in fact what people in Greece believe is that Cyprus was betrayed by the Ioannides junta to please the Americans.

American President Johnson said that the US would not help if Turkey's intervention in Cyprus caused a conflict with the Soviet Union

USA threatened Turkiye about arms embargo if military operation in Cyprus

and USA has started arms embargo on Turkiye in 1975

therefore Turkiye kicked 5000+ American troops and all equipments out of Turkiye including INCIRLIK airbase



so what ?
do Greeks think Americans to fight against the Turks for Greece ? never

 

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You have been c/ping that same line dozens of times on this forum. But the S-400s are turned off,turning them on and using them would enrage USA and many NATO members. I find your overconfidence on the S-400s against the Rafale,very funny. Other members had pointed out to you that the Rafale could have more than a chance against the S-400s,however you kept insisting. On paper it's an incredibly potent system.
Supposedly one of the best Air Defence systems in the world! But...it's largely untested in real combat.
The last few years I found the reluctance of the Russians to use the S-300 and S-400 in Syria and elsewhere,as very suspicious.

Very funny

even outdated S-125 turned most modern stealth F-117 into crap of metal in Yugoslavia by 1999

even outdated S-200 turned İsraeli F-16 into crap of metal in Syria by 2018

I am saying again
Turkiye has S400 Air Defense Systems to turn Rafale into crap of metal

By 2025 we will probably have a squadron of Rafales and a number of F-16Vs.

old technology Rafale and F-16 to compare with MIUS unmanned stealth Fighter Jet which will be able to fight against the highest capacity Fighter Jets , as well as it will open new horizons in air combat through its advantages of unmanned combat, autonomy provided by artificial intelligence and cost-effectiveness


so how could a human win when an AI can withstand G forces that no human could survive ?

AI would win non stop eventually
even I am not talking about the same advanced characteristics as 5th-generation stealth Fighters

And? What will they do? Declare war against us? Ok,then the UAE and Saudi Arabia will turn against them.
I'm sure the remember the blockade imposed on them by almost all neighboring countries.

to block bandits in the Aegean and in the Eastern Mediterranean


btw Qatar-KSA and The Uae restored diplomatic and trade ties in 2021

even Turkey and UAE keen to enter a new stage of relations

The United Arab Emirates on Tuesday described a phone call between President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Mohamed bin Zayed as “positive” and “friendly”

UAE hails ‘positive’ phone call between Erdogan, bin Zayed

Gargash said Turkey and UAE keen to enter a new stage of relations - Anadolu Agency

www.aa.com.tr