Greece vs Turkiye Military Power : Tactical and Strategic Advantages

[BON PLAN]

S-400 can do nothing against F-35. Israeli F-35 fly above Lebanon and Syria without even being detected. Some reports they even fly above Iran but I don't know if they're credible.
F-35 is designed to defeat the S-400.

It's not so clear.
F35 was initially built as an answer to the 3 european eurocanards. And it is a success in this area !
It was not studied as a SAM killer, but as a F16 and A10 replacement.

Are the S400 battery full in Syria? Not sure. (specially about the low band radar)
Are the F35 not seen? Absolutely not sure. If I was russian, in such a "low intensity" battlefiled in Syria, I will do all my possible not to show I can detect this weapon system, so as to create a big surprise the day I have to fight USA or a close ally in a high intensity war.

Lebanon and Syria dont have S400
and Russia saying nothing about S400 - F35

S400 Radars work by operating in multiple frequency bands including both VHF and L bands that can see stealth Fighters

Also new Turkish EIRS AESA Radar to detect stealth Fighters





Greece bought nothing yet


but Turkiye has its own Ballistic and Cruise Missile technology up to 1.000 km to destroy all Jet Hangars with Fighter Jets , also AD Systems in Greece in a day

Turkiye has its own KORAL , REDET-II , HAVASOJ

and Turkiye has its own KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet to be able to fight against the highest capacity Fighter Jets including F-35


TO DOMINATE THE SKIES
what a hell of war machine , combination with RAMJET powered GOKHAN long range air to air missiles in BVR combat

and to open new horizons in dog fight through its advantages of unmanned combat

how could a human win when an AI can withstand G forces that no human could survive ?

AI would win non stop eventually
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A dronized J-20 ?

The French side can now lubricate the tip of the SAMP-Ts well and sit on it.

LOL.
Mach 2,5, low fligh profile, RAM coated missile, 500+ km range. Good luck with your SAM 2 shaped missile.

what a great work in 5 years

Indeed : 60% annual inflation rate ! GOOD JOB.

 

[Beny Karachun]

It's not so clear.
F35 was initially built as an answer to the 3 european eurocanards. And it is a success in this area !
It was not studied as a SAM killer, but as a F16 and A10 replacement.

Are the S400 battery full in Syria? Not sure. (specially about the low band radar)
Are the F35 not seen? Absolutely not sure. If I was russian, in such a "low intensity" battlefiled in Syria, I will do all my possible not to show I can detect this weapon system, so as to create a big surprise the day I have to fight USA or a close ally in a high intensity war.

F-35 was definitely built to defeat SAMs, F-35 was never supposed to be an answer to the European 4th generation jets, as American F-16 and F-15 advanced variants can hold their own against them. F-35 is a different league. F-35 is stealthy, has powerful integrated EW system and antiradiation capabilities.

Russians are openly saying their radars can see stealthy jets but that's just Russian scarecrow tactics.

 

[BON PLAN]

F-35 was definitely built to defeat SAMs, F-35 was never supposed to be an answer to the European 4th generation jets, as American F-16 and F-15 advanced variants can hold their own against them. F-35 is a different league. F-35 is stealthy, has powerful integrated EW system and antiradiation capabilities.
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Russians are openly saying their radars can see stealthy jets but that's just Russian scarecrow tactics.

No fighter size plane can be stealth to low band radar. It's a physical effect, and even the americans can't avoid physics laws.

F35 was built in a hurry because there was no modern fighter in the USA arsenal for export. As a result it is always in developpment phase, more than 15 years after first pre serial flight. Even the engine, quite brand new, is under scrutinity.
The real next US fighter is to come : NGAD. F35 is only a stop gap, and thanks to the USA diplomatic strenght, a commercial success. Mark my words : all the country purchasing F35 will have deep sorrows in +/- 10 years because costs++, availibility -- , breakthroughs in counter stealth.

 

[MMM-E]

Mach 2,5, low fligh profile, RAM coated missile, 500+ km range. Good luck with your SAM 2 shaped missile.

not mach 2,5 , but mach 3,5 and its only SIPER Block-0 variant

Turkish GaN based AESA Radar to detect even stealth Fighters

hit to kill technology

also Turkiye to produce Air Defense System based on GOKDOGAN air to air Missile ( range of 100+ km and speed of mach 4 )

No. He though that it was not convenient to help a friend becoming an ennemy.

What did ERDOGAN do to France ? nothing

Turkiye kicked USA-France backed PKK/YPG Terrorists who want to destroy Turkiye's territorial integrity


We dont need any help
The French side can now lubricate the tip of the SAMP-Ts well and sit on it.

SIPER and GOKDOGAN easly can turn RAFALE Fighter Jet into crap of metal

 

[Beny Karachun]

No fighter size plane can be stealth to low band radar. It's a physical effect, and even the americans can't avoid physics laws.

F35 was built in a hurry because there was no modern fighter in the USA arsenal for export. As a result it is always in developpment phase, more than 15 years after first pre serial flight. Even the engine, quite brand new, is under scrutinity.
The real next US fighter is to come : NGAD. F35 is only a stop gap, and thanks to the USA diplomatic strenght, a commercial success. Mark my words : all the country purchasing F35 will have deep sorrows in +/- 10 years because costs++, availibility -- , breakthroughs in counter stealth.

They can't provide guidance for missiles. They are inaccurate due to the wide wavelength, only providing estimated location.

Also, they could be easily jammed, F-35 can send fake radio waves to make it appear as if hundreds of F-35s are flying. Much more fake radio signals can be transmitted in between low band radar waves than could be for example in between UHF radar waves.

 

[MMM-E]

A dronized J-20 ?

Good luck to old technology F-15 , F-16V , RAFALE


KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet to be able to fight against the highest capacity Fighter Jets including F-35

combination with RAMJET powered GOKHAN long range air to air missiles in BVR combat


Lenght : 14.7 m
Wingspan : 10 m
Height : 3.3 m

Endurance : 5 Hours
Combat radius : 500 nm
Service ceiling : 35,000 - 45.000 ft
Cruise speed : supersonic 1,4 mach
Payload : 1.5 Tons

-- AESA Radar , EOTS , sensor fusion
-- Stealth design
-- Internal weapon stations
-- Stealth flight capability
-- The ability to hide from Radars
-- Aggressive maneuverability with delta canard and vertical stabilizers
-- Smart fleet autonomy equipped with artificial intelligence

 

[Beny Karachun]

Good luck to old technology F-15 , F-16V , RAFALE


KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet to be able to fight against the highest capacity Fighter Jets including F-35

combination with RAMJET powered GOKHAN long range air to air missiles in BVR combat

Endurance : 5 Hours
Combat radius : 500 nm
Service ceiling : 35,000 ft
Cruise speed : supersonic 1,4 mach
Payload : 1.5 Tons

-- AESA Radar , EOTS , sensor fusion
-- Stealth design
-- Internal weapon stations
-- Stealth flight capability
-- The ability to hide from Radars
-- Aggressive maneuverability with delta canard and vertical stabilizers
-- Smart fleet autonomy equipped with artificial intelligence

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You said its cruise speed was Mach 0.6, maximum speed is 0.9.

This doesn't exist yet. F-15EX can fly twice as high as this drone at 65k ft. More than twice the combat radius at 1200nmi. Mach 2.5. Way more payload, American missiles, EW, radars are all better than Turkish comparable systems. American manufacturing capability is way more than Turkey could ever hope to achieve.

American Australian MQ-28 Loyal Wingman project already exists:

Western technology is years ahead of you, and will always remain that way

 

[MMM-E]

You said its cruise speed was Mach 0.6, maximum speed is 0.9.

There will be Block-0 variant with speed of mach 0,6-0,9
and Block-1 variant with supersonic speed mach 1,4 as like F-35

This doesn't exist yet. F-15EX can fly twice as high as this drone at 65k ft. More than twice the combat radius at 1200nmi. Mach 2.5. Way more payload, American missiles, EW, radars are all better than Turkish comparable systems. American manufacturing capability is way more than Turkey could ever hope to achieve.

American Australian MQ-28 Loyal Wingman project already exists:

F15EX is a manned Fighter Jet , Turkiye develops the TFX air superiority Fighter Jet

and Turkiye produced even 2nd prototype of KIZILELMA to make maiden flight in 2023

so nice to compare Turkiye with hyper power USA

but We dont care about USA and MQ-28
USA is a hyper power and Turkiye has developed technologies which were developed by only a few Countries in the world

Western technology is years ahead of you, and will always remain that way

Turkiye is also in western - NATO technology club

and USA , The UK , France , Turkiye , Germany in top 5

even now Turkiye has far more military projects than Germany

 

[Beny Karachun]

There will be Block-0 variant with speed of mach 0,6-0,9
and Block-1 variant with supersonic speed mach 1,4 as like F-35




F15EX is a manned Fighter Jet , Turkiye develops the TFX air superiority Fighter Jet

and Turkiye produced even 2nd prototype of KIZILELMA to make maiden flight in 2023
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so nice to compare Turkiye with hyper power USA

but We dont care about USA and MQ-28
USA is a hyper power and Turkiye has developed technologies which were developed by only a few Countries in the world



Turkiye is also in western - NATO technology club

and USA , The UK , France , Turkiye , Germany in top 5

even now Turkiye has far more military projects than Germany

When will they be produced? Production is important, and the hardest. Anyone can make prototypes, we even made a whole fighter jet years ago. Even if you make that drone fly it doesn't mean anything about its capabilities. F-35 has an unbeatable IRST/optical sensor suite. It's insane.

We don't know how refined it will be, how well is the stealth compared to US stealth aircraft, etc.

You are saying your drone can compete with F-15, F-16 and Rafale but it can't. The subsonic version will get destroyed.

You are not diving deep enough in your comparison. Which aircraft will detect the other first, F-35 or your drone? Which EW system is better? Those are all answers you can't answer.

By the way, Greece has Patriot PAC-3 that will defend the Greek territory.

 

[MMM-E]

When will they be produced? Production is important, and the hardest. Anyone can make prototypes, we even made a whole fighter jet years ago.

KIZILELMA will be in service in 2025

HURJET and KIZILELMA

Even if you make that drone fly it doesn't mean anything about its capabilities. F-35 has an unbeatable IRST/optical sensor suite. It's insane.

What a great technology is coming ... ( all together )

1-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet : AESA Radar + EOTS sensor fusion
to carry RAMJET powered GOKHAN long range air to air missiles in the Internal weapon station for stealth flight capability

2-- Boeing E-7T AEWCs with 600 km PESA Radar will help KIZILELMA to detect enemy Fighter Jets and to guide GOKHAN long range air to air missiles on enemy Fighter Jets via data link for network centric warfare and cooperative engagement capability

3-- HAVASOJ stand off jammer Aircrafts to jam enemy communications and radars from 400 km away to protect the Turkish Air Force Fighter Jets

4-- 380 km S400s to create Air Defense umbrella over the Eastern Mediterranean to protect the Turkish Air Force Fighter Jets


good luck to enemies .. they will need it

 

[MMM-E]

You are saying your drone can compete with F-15, F-16 and Rafale but it can't. The subsonic version will get destroyed

What about BVR combat ?

KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet to carry RAMJET powered GOKHAN long range air to air missiles in the Internal weapon station for stealth flight capability

100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missile is ready
200+ km RAMJET powered GOKHAN long range air to air under development


stealth KIZILELMA with much lower RCS vs 4th gen F-15 , F-16V , Rafale with much bigger RCS

so stealth KIZILELMA to detect Rafale , MIG-29M2 , SU-35 , F-15 , F-16V before they detect KIZILELMA and then press the kill button and game over in BVR combat

Egypt and Greece in the region



KIZILELMA Block-II variant will have supersonic speed of mach 1,4 for dog fight

and KIZILELMA to open new horizons in dog fight through its advantages of unmanned combat and aggressive maneuverability with delta canard and vertical stabilizers

how could a human win when an AI can withstand G forces that no human could survive ?

AI would win non stop eventually


and F-35 sucks in dog fight

 

[MMM-E]

By the way, Greece has Patriot PAC-3 that will defend the Greek territory.

We have seen PATRIOT PAC-III how defend S.Arabia ... so pathetic

btw Greece has only 325 PAC-II and PAC-III Missiles ... on the other hand , Turkiye produce more 415 SOM Cruise Missiles

even I am not talking about 2.000+ of TRLG-230 , TRG-300 , J600T , BORA , ATACMS , JSOW , KGK-LR , HARPY , POPEYE , SLAM-ER , HARM , HARPOON Block-II to hit all Jet Hangars with Fighter Jets and AD Systems in Greece , Greek Islands

also 1.000+ KARA-ATMACA , CAKIR , KUZGUN-TJ , SDB-IIR , AKBABA and KARGI in the next 3-5 years

And 200+ TB-2 , ANKA , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI UCAVs are in service


You are still living in 2000s when Turkiye had only POPEYE , SLAM-ER , JSOW , HARM , ATACMS with limited numbers


now tiny Greece never can match with great Turkish missile fire power which is the 2nd strongest in NATO after USA

 

[Michel Niesten]

not mach 2,5 , but mach 3,5 and its only SIPER Block-0 variant

Turkish GaN based AESA Radar to detect even stealth Fighters
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hit to kill technology
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also Turkiye to produce Air Defense System based on GOKDOGAN air to air Missile ( range of 100+ km and speed of mach 4 )
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What did ERDOGAN do to France ? nothing

Turkiye kicked USA-France backed PKK/YPG Terrorists who want to destroy Turkiye's territorial integrity


We dont need any help
The French side can now lubricate the tip of the SAMP-Ts well and sit on it.

SIPER and GOKDOGAN easly can turn RAFALE Fighter Jet into crap of metal

You kick the PKK for 40 years, and still not defeated them…

 

[Sapei]

You kick the PKK for 40 years, and still not defeated them…

PKK is only remaining outside Turkey's borders.

 

[MMM-E]

You kick the PKK for 40 years, and still not defeated them…

Loser PKK could not take even 1cm2 of land from Turkiye in 40 years

Turkish Army kicked all PKK terrorists out of Turkish soil and since 1990 PKK terror camps are in İraq
over 15.000 Turkish soldiers are in İraq now to block Northen of İraq

also Turkish military operations took AFRIN , RASULAYN , TELABYAD from loser PKK/YPG Terrorists and destroyed ROJAVA dream ....

and another Turkish military operation is loading in Syria ...