Grand Operation in Baluchistan, Need of the Hour !!!!

[Areesh]

Whether local Balochis want to stay within Pakistan or not. If you hold it, it will put pressure on India to hold one in Kashmir also.

Pakistan would win easily. But the thing is we don't need to hold any plebiscite. There is no reason for it.

India won't hold any plebiscite in IOK in anyways. So there is no reason after all.

 

[Sully3]

Listen idiot
A few mischievous assholes don't count for all Balochis
use your brains before you put something on the internet

I was referring to the Balochi who made the tweet and are supporting BLA.

And we both know who the idiot here is.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Yaar, this is nothing.

This is hardly an insurgency.

All the terrorists in Balochistan should be shot dead.

 

[Zibago]

As long as the Balochistan police remains weak we will have problems

 

[Big Tank]

How about grand justice before grand operation? We're going to roast them without letting them have what we deserve. It'll give Baluch Atheists a chance to propagate further. Baluchistan University staff is majorly Punjabi. They don't even have schools and basic healthcare. We all know how FC Personnel look at a normal Baluch passing by. Why do we keep repeating the same mistake?? First lift off the insecurities then operate.

 

[tarrar]

I have been saying this for a very long time that a full scale military operation should start in the province to cleanse the province from all bharti paid bastards.

 

[Sugarcane]

Pakistan would win easily. But the thing is we don't need to hold any plebiscite. There is no reason for it.

India won't hold any plebiscite in IOK in anyways. So there is no reason after all.

Forget IOK, they will not do it even in Tamilnadu which is not going anywhere.

 

[Jackdaws]

Pakistan would win easily. But the thing is we don't need to hold any plebiscite. There is no reason for it.

India won't hold any plebiscite in IOK in anyways. So there is no reason after all.

I don't know enough about the conflict in Balochistan to dispute that - but do they feel shortchanged or ignored? There is no smoke without fire - what exactly are the separatists' demand? Would some economic package satisfy them?

 

[Signalian]

An under-cover operation by intelligence agencies (Police departments, not PA or FC) to route BLA/BRA and associated organisations. Not a full scale ops.

 

[jupiter2007]

WE are definitely not doing enough in Balochistan. And honestly speaking there is zero chance we would bother to do anymore either

Banned Nawaz & Shahzad and their family from Punjab and force them to live in Baluchistan.

An under-cover operation by intelligence agencies (Police departments, not PA or FC) to route BLA/BRA and associated organisations. Not a full scale ops.

Pakistani police corrupt and they will leak all the info, that's why Rangers don't include them in any planning phase of the operation.

Special agency needs to form to control law and order situation, corrupt MNA and MPA from Balochistan should be arrested and punished under army court.

 

[Signalian]

Pakistani police corrupt and they will leak all the info, that's why Rangers don't include them in any planning phase of the operation.

Police is corrupt in every country of the world, be it Pakistan or USA or Germany or Afghanistan. The reason that law and order is maintained in some countries while in other countries its very weak, is the implementation of system at all levels. Pakistan Federal and Provincial Police is just another topic.

Have you not seen in recent years, A Police SSP with Area Commander of Ranger, giving interviews together after an Ops? This is because the Police has been included in every Ranger Ops since planning phase and there is a big reason for that: The Police Anti-terrorist force operates a bit different from Local Police and this AT force has been usually trained on standards of PA or SSG.

Special agency needs to form to control law and order situation, corrupt MNA and MPA from Balochistan should be arrested and punished under army court.

Special Branch has many privileges when it comes to conducting operations. Most members on PDF don't even know that Special Branch has same power in Police matters that ISI has in defence matters. If any member of Police interferes in matters of Special Branch, the special branch officer or investigation officer just mentions in his report, of interference in procedures of a intelligence branch by a Police officer and that Police officer can be suspended on this report. The police that you see on the roads donot interfere with Special Branch and its Operations.

I will explain two very different categories of Police Officers in Pakistan Police Force. A little known fact about Pakistan Police and how SP/SSP's should be chosen for any ops. The Police officers who are inducted as ASI/SI etc and then become SHO's and make it to SP/SSP are not suitable candidates for leading operations of sensitive type. The SP/SSP's who join Police Force after clearing CSP/CSS exams are found to be more suitable for sensitive operations. They are more found to be more professional and hardly corrupt, because they have not been through the so-called "Thana culture". The CSP-qualified Police officers very rarely succumb to pressure from higher ups.

The way that a police force works is under the "Law and constitution" which unfortunately has many loop holes and can be by-passed as well as moulded according to the situation. A lawyer can explain it better to you as he studies law and knows when and where to twist it in his favour and so does the Police. They are bound by jurisdictions and laws. Rangers and PA get open hand when they start any Ops. This is why the Police Force working closely with Rangers also gets an open hand and the operation is carried out as cleanly as possible. Otherwise the Police officer is answerable for even spending one bullet of the ammunition that he is supplied with. Any criminal he catches needs witnesses and has to be brought under some criminal accord in court to be prosecuted otherwise the criminal can go free. If the criminal's lawyer is strong, he can even get bail on many grounds and roam free. DON'T blame the Police, its the law that supports the Police and the criminal and the outcome is based on many factors.
The MNA's and MPA's story is quite different and i want to focus on Police for now.

Special Branch if utilised properly is a very effective tool. They are given all the necessary equipment and man power to conduct any operation. They have own forensic laboratories and telecom infrastructure to work with FIA. They are supplied with Bomb disposal units, sniffer dogs, eaves-dropping equipment, safe houses, civilian vehicles etc. There is a huge Police Force in Baluchistan in the form of Baluchistan Constabulary and then there is Levies Force too. There are 1000 more Anti-Terrorist Policemen being inducted into the province. The resources are there, its just about Police Force managing its resources properly.

@Mentee

 

[bafxet]

It's time to launch a massive Grant Operation in Baluchistan hit BLA and BRA and LEJ and ISIS hard. Raise FC size and also for GOD sake improve Police and raise Special Forces of Police. Finally time to assassinate all morons like Bramdagh and others through intelligence operations along with hitting ISIS and TTP hideouts in Afghanistan with Fighter Jets.

Not all without a political support, which is absolutely vital. Federal Govt machinery should temporarily move to Baluchistan. PM should chair cabinet meetings in Quetta and elsewhere in Balochistan. Baluchistan should be in limelight so as to show the love and affection to the common public from the rest of Pakistan...

 

[Areesh]

I don't know enough about the conflict in Balochistan to dispute that - but do they feel shortchanged or ignored? There is no smoke without fire - what exactly are the separatists' demand? Would some economic package satisfy them?

They are bunch of socialist fools thinking they are Che Guevara or something. No coherence in various groups operating in Balochistan. Some are loyal to their trial chiefs like BLA to Harbyar Marri or UBA to Mehran Marri or BRA to Barahmadagh Bugti or atheist commies like BLF. They sometimes fight with each other too.

 

[Mentee]

Police is corrupt in every country of the world, be it Pakistan or USA or Germany or Afghanistan. The reason that law and order is maintained in some countries while in other countries its very weak, is the implementation of system at all levels. Pakistan Federal and Provincial Police is just another topic.

Have you not seen in recent years, A Police SSP with Area Commander of Ranger, giving interviews together after an Ops? This is because the Police has been included in every Ranger Ops since planning phase and there is a big reason for that: The Police Anti-terrorist force operates a bit different from Local Police and this AT force has been usually trained on standards of PA or SSG.



Special Branch has many privileges when it comes to conducting operations. Most members on PDF don't even know that Special Branch has same power in Police matters that ISI has in defence matters. If any member of Police interferes in matters of Special Branch, the special branch officer or investigation officer just mentions in his report, of interference in procedures of a intelligence branch by a Police officer and that Police officer can be suspended on this report. The police that you see on the roads donot interfere with Special Branch and its Operations.

I will explain two very different categories of Police Officers in Pakistan Police Force. A little known fact about Pakistan Police and how SP/SSP's should be chosen for any ops. The Police officers who are inducted as ASI/SI etc and then become SHO's and make it to SP/SSP are not suitable candidates for leading operations of sensitive type. The SP/SSP's who join Police Force after clearing CSP/CSS exams are found to be more suitable for sensitive operations. They are more found to be more professional and hardly corrupt, because they have not been through the so-called "Thana culture". The CSP-qualified Police officers very rarely succumb to pressure from higher ups.

The way that a police force works is under the "Law and constitution" which unfortunately has many loop holes and can be by-passed as well as moulded according to the situation. A lawyer can explain it better to you as he studies law and knows when and where to twist it in his favour and so does the Police. They are bound by jurisdictions and laws. Rangers and PA get open hand when they start any Ops. This is why the Police Force working closely with Rangers also gets an open hand and the operation is carried out as cleanly as possible. Otherwise the Police officer is answerable for even spending one bullet of the ammunition that he is supplied with. Any criminal he catches needs witnesses and has to be brought under some criminal accord in court to be prosecuted otherwise the criminal can go free. If the criminal's lawyer is strong, he can even get bail on many grounds and roam free. DON'T blame the Police, its the law that supports the Police and the criminal and the outcome is based on many factors.
The MNA's and MPA's story is quite different and i want to focus on Police for now.

Special Branch if utilised properly is a very effective tool. They are given all the necessary equipment and man power to conduct any operation. They have own forensic laboratories and telecom infrastructure to work with FIA. They are supplied with Bomb disposal units, sniffer dogs, eaves-dropping equipment, safe houses, civilian vehicles etc. There is a huge Police Force in Baluchistan in the form of Baluchistan Constabulary and then there is Levies Force too. There are 1000 more Anti-Terrorist Policemen being inducted into the province. The resources are there, its just about Police Force managing its resources properly.

@Mentee

as long as the federally paid thugs, the levies , are in control of affairs in balochistan bar the urban areas to appease the tribal chiefs , no better out come could be expected . We need regular police force all across Balochistan to handle the ever deteriorating law n order situation..

The Police officers who are inducted as ASI/SI etc and then become SHO's and make it to SP/SSP are not suitable candidates for leading operations of sensitive type. The SP/SSP's who join Police Force after clearing CSP/CSS exams are found to be more suitable for sensitive operations. They are more found to be more professional and hardly corrupt, because they have not been through the so-called "Thana culture". The CSP-qualified Police officers very rarely succumb to pressure from higher ups.

relics of the colonial era . These asi's Si's and sho's are demonized unfairly . No ranker can do sh** without taking the higher ups csp's (the brahmin class) into confidence .