Govt set to ink record $2.2bn arms deal with US

[gogbot]

If India can ink this deal without TOT, why couldn't this also apply to other deal.

I agree with you. Indians inherently just don't like America and Americans. We can clear see from the tone of the article that Indians media do not likely US at all. I guess dispise the fact that America military sell doesn't come with the TOT. Indians have not get the fact that in order to have the best, there is no TOT. As a result, many Indians rather buy inferior products with TOT. The problem is that Indian do jack squat with the technology anyway. A complete waste of money to buy TOT

3. Can you prove that India do something with its TOT. China without TOT can reverse engineer. India never develop anything out of TOT. A total waste of money

WEll, it mean that India has the technology to build the plane as it is. Pretty much, Russia suppliers and Indians supplier provide the parts and let the plane assemble in India. But India does not develop upon the transfered technology because it lack the domestic ability to absorb the technology.

I'm just saying what I see. Just because I believe India is wasting money (It could purchase superior US weaponry and save the TOT money for its poor) that doesn't mean that I'm biased. I just have a different view of how India should spend money.

Your attack on me instead of my message just show how truth bites. Please focus on the message and if you disagree, show some class instead of making senseless name calling.

if India absorbs the tech,we will see some change:use the tech to improve the weapons which India holds now(MIG21,lca and so on),but we haven't see these now

India is getting junk from Russians. If I am the Indian leader, I would side with the US and get in line for F-35. Russians need money so they are willing to sell their top of line aircraft with TOT to India. If India choose to buy from Russians over the US aircraft, fine. But if its buying it because of TOT, then that is not a good decision as TOT still mean that India must acquire part of the compoenents from foregin sources. Unless, of course, India also get TOT for all the components, such as the western European radar. Than that may be a different story. Otherwise, a partial TOT is a waste of money.

Once a technology is transfre to India, I believe India can produce the product domestically.

I do believe that India does produce some of the best and brightest engineers out there. But I do not believe that India implement the policy to best utilize its talent. Its engineering brain power is being held back by the beauracracy. As a result, India is not reaching its potential.

I totally agree. India still cannot absort the technology. It definitely can manufacture components after the technology transfer. But its not able to develop upon technology transfer. In this regard, I believe that Iran and maybe Pakistan is even ahead of India.

Rubbish just rubbish.

You have taken all the info out of context and time line.

ToT in India is very new. It only started about 10 years ago with the Purchase of the MKI aircraft. There was to ToT before the MKI as far i understand.
And the MKI is huge improvement over the standard Su-30

How many ToT agreements have we even signed. Only a handful.
And whats the time line fore ToT agreements in India. Very recently.

The Indian defense establishment is till very new and developing , development takes time and expertise.
That's why there is ToT to build up that expertise.


But That ToT has been used already.

If the LCA has a MMR radar its due to ToT with Israeli.

We have our own fully India version of the Brhamos Missile.
That's due to ToT

Building up India's defense establishment is consequence of all these investments, being made to make the forces self reliant.

your immature statements about India not being to understand technology. Only shows your Bias towards India.

You seem to think Only the privileged few have the god given gift of technology and the rest of us should just buy and not ask questions.

 

[kashith]

If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.
Shall we return the NEWTON'S law back?
And the KGB and CIA stolen each other's tech for many many years,this is a normal thing.
if we give you an F-22,I doult wether you can made a Undercarriage wheel

Done.I will deliver you an undercarriage wheel .It is a deal.When are you delivering the F-22 in India?

 

[faithfulguy]

Rubbish just rubbish.

You have taken all the info out of context and time line.

ToT in India is very new. It only started about 10 years ago with the Purchase of the MKI aircraft. There was to ToT before the MKI as far i understand.
And the MKI is huge improvement over the standard Su-30

How many ToT agreements have we even signed. Only a handful.
And whats the time line fore ToT agreements in India. Very recently.

The Indian defense establishment is till very new and developing , development takes time and expertise.
That's why there is ToT to build up that expertise.


But That ToT has been used already.

If the LCA has a MMR radar its due to ToT with Israeli.

We have our own fully India version of the Brhamos Missile.
That's due to ToT

Building up India's defense establishment is consequence of all these investments, being made to make the forces self reliant.

your immature statements about India not being to understand technology. Only shows your Bias towards India.

You seem to think Only the privileged few have the god given gift of technology and the rest of us should just buy and not ask questions.

As an Indian, you should ask your government to develop technology. I'm just a guy giving you facts. If fact hurt you, maybe it will get you to write a letter to your parliment rep to unshackle brilliant Indian engineers and let them improve the TOT components.

 

[gogbot]

As an Indian, you should ask your government to develop technology. I'm just a guy giving you facts. If fact hurt you, maybe it will get you to write a letter to your parliment rep to unshackle brilliant Indian engineers and let them improve the TOT components.

The only that is hurt is my Intellect for having to read page after page of your posts. That preaches the same message.

"India cant do anything it should stop trying to sit at the grown up's table"

First of you always establish the distinction that there are Countries that can do this and then you systematically make claims as why India Can't do anything.

Its just subtle insults coated in criticism and to top its all of you add the attitude where you seem to think you know better then the governments in question.

You seem to believe that you know the logistics on the ground.
Where is it that you get your Information from that makes you believe you are so much the wiser then all of the Indian's. About Matters concerning India.

I'm just a guy giving you facts

You give opinions backed up by arrogance and ignorance.

you should ask your government to develop technology.

They found water on the moon. If they could send an exploreer to the Moon. Gather information and then make ground breaking discovery in the field of Astronomy.

I think that is sign that the government is developing technology.

Arguably no system is perfect. But none the less there are examples where they have done it.

maybe it will get you to write a letter to your parliment rep to unshackle brilliant Indian engineers and let them improve the TOT components.

what makes you think they haven't don't so already.

Or if not are not in the process of doing something along those lines.

Like i said before IF the LCA has a MMR radar its due to India using the TOT from the Israeli AESA radar, which they are working on incorporating into the LCA-mk2