Govt Mandates Use of Plastic Wrapping in Airports

[Dubious]

The solution is to stop checking in things like that.

And if the villager brought that what will you do? Ask him to buy a thousand Rs suitcase (someone wi get contract) or wrap it up for 50 Rs?

Stopping or dictating what should be checked in or not will bring in another stomachache.....literally whatever the govt does you won't be satisfied and keep blaming them....

The solution is NOT to charge EVERY passenger Rs.50 for a service they may not need/want because the government said so, and so Shahid Latif can make a fortune. I'm sorry but this almost certainly sounds like foul play.

The solution should be wrap every odd looking thing not everything...had you said that I would have agreed...but even you swung to the extreme of dictating what should be allowed to be checked in and what not when you know pretty well some can only afford those polythene looking bags....

EDIT: I am unable to find any information on Air Ciro. I am not sure if this Shahid Lateef is AM Shahid Lateef or not. Regardless, this smells of corruption.

First confirm that and if that is the case then make all the noise for we shouldn't stand with corruption....

But I do understand why they made it compulsory coz I just came from Saudi where it was compulsory to wrap from the machine on the airport as well...

 

[JamD]

And if the villager brought that what will you do? Ask him to buy a thousand Rs suitcase (someone wi get contract) or wrap it up for 50 Rs?

Tell the villager what he is doing is not permitted and as jurmana he must get his bag wrapped in the plastic and make that villager(or whoever else) pay Rs.50.

literally whatever the govt does you won't be satisfied and keep blaming them....

I am not sure how my post history gave you that impression. It is likely you have made a generalization and applied it to me. Please dont insult me that way. Thanks.

First confirm that and if that is the case then make all the noise for we shouldn't stand with corruption..

The only thing in doubt here is whether this Shahid Latif is AM Shahid Latif or not. Are you saying that it's only corruption if it's AM Shahid Latif? You can't be serious. You don't find it weird that the CAA makes it compulsory for EVERY checked bag to be wrapped in plastic?

But I do understand why they made it compulsory coz I just came from Saudi where it was compulsory to wrap from the machine on the airport as well...

I don't think you meant to imply that it's a good idea because it's done in Saudi Arabia. Please finish your thought. Why is it done? Is there a good reason for EVERY bag to be wrapped in plastic?

 

[Dubious]

Tell the villager what he is doing is not permitted and as jurmana he must get his bag wrapped in the plastic and make that villager(or whoever else) pay Rs.50.

Then the next headline will be Pakistan bullies villager - why couldnt they make a uniform law?

Wanna bet it wont go down like that?

We are at a stage where anything our govt does will be scrutinized and made fun off!

I am not sure how my post history gave you that impression. It is likely you have made a generalization and applied it to me. Please dont insult me that way. Thanks.

I dont mean you specifically but you as in the public!

The only thing in doubt here is whether this Shahid Latif is AM Shahid Latif or not. Are you saying that it's only corruption if it's AM Shahid Latif? You can't be serious. You don't find it weird that the CAA makes it compulsory for EVERY checked bag to be wrapped in plastic?

No I am saying it is only corruption if there are ties or corruption can be proven!

As for CAA....Jeddah airport did it this year...We were fine when we went in but when we exited 20 days later, we were "forced" to wrap the bag using the machine (we had wrapped our luggage using plastic we bought - was cheaper 1 roll wrapped 5 luggage pieces 3x - stay and exit from Dubai counted) ...but we are asked to "re-wrap" from the machine or the ground stewardess wont allow check in...they refused to take our luggage (which didnt look like the plastic bags I showed you)!

I don't think you meant to imply that it's a good idea because it's done in Saudi Arabia. Please finish your thought. Why is it done? Is there a good reason for EVERY bag to be wrapped in plastic?

I already did put my thoughts down...I had spoken to the in charge in SA...he told me that it is for "safety" reasons coz in the past, some pieces of badly wrapped or plastic bags got stuck in the belt. Furthermore, it is easier to prevent any mishap along the journey...I am not sure if someone has sued them before for something like that , that they take such precautions?!

 

[JamD]

Then the next headline will be Pakistan bullies villager - why couldnt they make a uniform law?

Wanna bet it wont go down like that?

We are at a stage where anything our govt does will be scrutinized and made fun off!


I dont mean you specifically but you as in the public!

I understand the point you are making. Look, if FBR is asking traders to pay taxes and they are making a hue and cry let them. Because it is obvious why they are doing so. They want to remain in their tax-evading ways so they can make all the noise and headlines they want.

BUT saying "anything our govt does will be scrutinized and made fun off!" is not an argument (because you can say that about anything at all). And to this "Pakistan bullies villager - why couldnt they make a uniform law?" there is a counter-argument that you have presented that all "nonstandard" bags are a danger to airport equipment and this needs to be done (Just like traders need to pay tax). I (and most people) will see that logic and won't find anything suspicious with that.

There is no argument for wrapping EVERY checked bag. Hence my (and a lot of other people's) strong suspicion of foul play.

No I am saying it is only corruption if there are ties or corruption can be proven!

If no one makes a hue and cry about suspected corruption then no investigation to prove it happens. The argument that I can only be upset about corruption proven in the court of law is cyclic. By the same logic Imran Khan shouldn't have made any noise about Nawaz's corruption because at that point it had not been proven.

I already did put my thoughts down...I had spoken to the in charge in SA...he told me that it is for "safety" reasons coz in the past, some pieces of badly wrapped or plastic bags got stuck in the belt. Furthermore, it is easier to prevent any mishap along the journey...I am not sure if someone has sued them before for something like that , that they take such precautions?!

It's the Americans who are notorious for suing everyone for any minor inconvenience. But no such laws or machines in the US.

Regardless, of any discussions here I have forwarded these concerns to people high-up in the CAA. I hope this gets investigated and resolved. Hopefully, resolved internally without any ugliness.

 

[Dubious]

My old post which I was supposed to quote earlier to prove I had pointed it out:

I dont know...many Western airports dont have wrapping machines...so not sure which world it belongs to...But in Saudi this yr (not 1st world) they made it mandatory...even in UAE they wanted the baggage neatly wrapped...or remove all wrapping (if badly wrapped)

Their excuse was - badly wrapped luggage or luggage with something sticking out- gets stuck in the belt...

BUT saying "anything our govt does will be scrutinized and made fun off!" is not an argument (because you can say that about anything at all).

Its a fact:

Why did IK use Qatar airlines
Why no one (expecting Trump) show up to receive him?
Why IK wearing Peshawari chapal?
Why tax on 2 phones?

And to this "Pakistan bullies villager - why couldnt they make a uniform law?" there is a counter-argument that you have presented that all "nonstandard" bags are a danger to airport equipment and this needs to be done (Just like traders need to pay tax). I (and most people) will see that logic and won't find anything suspicious with that.

Most...yes..

As for "the law" well if something is stated overnight, it takes time to seep into the law...

There is no argument for wrapping EVERY checked bag. Hence my (and a lot of other people's) strong suspicion of foul play.

I am not ruling that out. I know how our people are so I am def not ruling it out!

If no one makes a hue and cry about suspected corruption then no investigation to prove it happens. The argument that I can only be upset about corruption proven in the court of law is cyclic. By the same logic Imran Khan shouldn't have made any noise about Nawaz's corruption because at that point it had not been proven.

Hence, why I said:

First confirm that and if that is the case then make all the noise for we shouldn't stand with corruption....

But I do understand why they made it compulsory coz I just came from Saudi where it was compulsory to wrap from the machine on the airport as well...

Regardless, of any discussions here I have forwarded these concerns to people high-up in the CAA. I hope this gets investigated and resolved. Hopefully, resolved internally without any ugliness.

Thats good to know!

 

[Verve]

It costs £10 per wrapped bag (privately) in UK whereas it's 50rs. I would happily pay 100 rupees to have my bags wrapped so that I don't have these covered in dust and damaged at the end of the journey.

And here people are moaning about such a small cost that's resulting in benefit to everyone.

Had it been introduced in Nawaz government for that price, I would have said the same as above. It's a good thing and not such a cheap luggage protection product offered at other international airports.

 

[Dubious]

Regardless, of any discussions here I have forwarded these concerns to people high-up in the CAA. I hope this gets investigated and resolved. Hopefully, resolved internally without any ugliness.

Zartaj says plastic wrapping was Saudis’ requirement
BY STAFF REPORT , (LAST UPDATED 5 SECONDS AGO)

ISLAMABAD: State Minister for Climate Change Zartaj Gul on Sunday said the plastic wrapping of luggage is the requirement of the Saudi government.

She expressed these views in her tweet: “I have now obtained specific details from Secretary Aviation. Saudi Govt required it as a condition of ‘Road to Makkah’ project.”

She added that it was also demanded by all enforcement agencies that all agencies, namely Airport Security Force, Anti-Narcotics Force, Federal Investigation Agency and Customs, recommend it to prevent and mitigate theft and damage.

She said the wrapping was always an optional practice but now was mandatory per Saudi government’s requirement for outbound flights under Road to Makkah project. “Wrapping rate has been brought down from Rs 400 to 50 only,” she tweeted.

Zartaj mentioned, “Therefore, there’s no impact on the imminent ban on plastic bags in Islamabad.”


https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/07/21/zartaj-says-plastic-wrapping-was-saudis-requirement/

https://www.urdupoint.com/en/pakistan/plastic-wrapping-of-luggage-requirement-of-sa-674440.html

https://www.app.com.pk/plastic-wrapping-of-luggage-requirement-of-saudi-govt-zartaj-gul/

 

[JamD]

Zartaj says plastic wrapping was Saudis’ requirement
BY STAFF REPORT , (LAST UPDATED 5 SECONDS AGO)

ISLAMABAD: State Minister for Climate Change Zartaj Gul on Sunday said the plastic wrapping of luggage is the requirement of the Saudi government.

She expressed these views in her tweet: “I have now obtained specific details from Secretary Aviation. Saudi Govt required it as a condition of ‘Road to Makkah’ project.”

She added that it was also demanded by all enforcement agencies that all agencies, namely Airport Security Force, Anti-Narcotics Force, Federal Investigation Agency and Customs, recommend it to prevent and mitigate theft and damage.

She said the wrapping was always an optional practice but now was mandatory per Saudi government’s requirement for outbound flights under Road to Makkah project. “Wrapping rate has been brought down from Rs 400 to 50 only,” she tweeted.

Zartaj mentioned, “Therefore, there’s no impact on the imminent ban on plastic bags in Islamabad.”


https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/07/21/zartaj-says-plastic-wrapping-was-saudis-requirement/

https://www.urdupoint.com/en/pakistan/plastic-wrapping-of-luggage-requirement-of-sa-674440.html

https://www.app.com.pk/plastic-wrapping-of-luggage-requirement-of-saudi-govt-zartaj-gul/

So this is only for flights bound to SA? I have some family travelling soon (not to SA). I'll know for sure then.

 

[Dubious]

So this is only for flights bound to SA? I have some family travelling soon (not to SA). I'll know for sure then.

Like I said earlier, I just came from SA and when we went in it was fine...but leaving Saudi after 20 days, we were kind of forced to wrap the luggage...specifically by machine wrap ...So I am guessing this mandatory is due to the type of luggage some villagers use (plastic bags) that do get stuck in the belt...

Apart from that, I dont think any other country has made it mandatory (as far as I know)...

 

[Dubious]

So this is only for flights bound to SA? I have some family travelling soon (not to SA). I'll know for sure then.

CAA retracts luggage-wrapping decision
BY NEWS DESK , (LAST UPDATED 10 SECONDS AGO)

The Civil Aviation Authority on Sunday retracted its directives regarding the mandatory wrapping of luggage in plastic at all airports in the country after it came under rapid fire from all quarters over the controversial decision.

The CAA had earlier issued a notification, saying that the “all check-in baggage of international and domestic passengers is to be wrapped with plastic sheets at the initial stage of scanning at search counters of the ASF, ANF and Customs”.

The notification had stated that wrapping charges were fixed at Rs50 per bag and demanded “immediate compliance of the directives”.

It may be mentioned that the notification was part of an agreement between the PCAA and Air Ciro, a company owned by Air Marshal (r) Shahid Lateef who is also a defence analyst.

It also attracted flak for using plastic in spite of its growing pollution in the country. According to a report, the plastic wraps are also not environment-friendly and the plastic material which was used for the bags was also not degradable.

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/07/21/caa-retracts-luggage-wrapping-decision/

 

[JamD]

CAA retracts luggage-wrapping decision
BY NEWS DESK , (LAST UPDATED 10 SECONDS AGO)

The Civil Aviation Authority on Sunday retracted its directives regarding the mandatory wrapping of luggage in plastic at all airports in the country after it came under rapid fire from all quarters over the controversial decision.

The CAA had earlier issued a notification, saying that the “all check-in baggage of international and domestic passengers is to be wrapped with plastic sheets at the initial stage of scanning at search counters of the ASF, ANF and Customs”.

The notification had stated that wrapping charges were fixed at Rs50 per bag and demanded “immediate compliance of the directives”.

It may be mentioned that the notification was part of an agreement between the PCAA and Air Ciro, a company owned by Air Marshal (r) Shahid Lateef who is also a defence analyst.

It also attracted flak for using plastic in spite of its growing pollution in the country. According to a report, the plastic wraps are also not environment-friendly and the plastic material which was used for the bags was also not degradable.

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2019/07/21/caa-retracts-luggage-wrapping-decision/

Excellent news! Thanks for the info. Things don't have to be perfect. Things just have to be fixable.

 

[ghazi52]

CAA withdraws decision to make luggage wrapping compulsory

The authority had also reduced plastic wrapping rates from up to Rs 400 to a uniform Rs 50

A day after making plastic wrapping, an extra layer of protection over the baggage, of all check-in luggage mandatory at all airports of the country, the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) on Sunday withdrew its earlier decision.

The aviation authority had taken the decision to increase compliance level with the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO).

“The letter under reference is to be treated as cancelled ab initio with immediate effect. Any correspondence made in furtherance of the referred latter is also required to be cancelled,” said a notification issued by the CAA headquarters in Karachi.

“Compliance with regard to the above instructions is to be ensured with immediate effect,” the authority added in the notification directed at Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar, Multan, Faisalabad, Quetta and Sukkur airports

 

[Dubious]

Excellent news! Thanks for the info. Things don't have to be perfect. Things just have to be fixable.

Seriously our news agencies do ZERO research before publishing and out authority bodies are no different announcing BS and having to retract (ALL THE TIME!)...When will they learn?

 

[JamD]

Seriously our news agencies do ZERO research before publishing and out authority bodies are no different announcing BS and having to retract (ALL THE TIME!)...When will they learn?

Not sure what you are blaming the media for in this PARTICULAR case. CAA messed up. CAA sent out a notification citing the federal government but Shireen Mazari tweeted nothing like this wasn't even discussed in cabinet. I'm just amazed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1153022339283640320

 

[1Paki$tani]

1. There always was this type of facility available at all airports including the plastic wrap and the strap wrap. though not compulsory

2. All modern airport have this facility due to many factors. primarily due to security and passenger safety (drugs ) etc.

3. Bag protection in general. People rather pay RS50 to protect bag.

point 2 is very important as there has been many cases where drugs and other things have been inserted into the bags in the baggage handling areas. So this would ensure that if it cannot happen. We have particular problem for Saudi Arabia. It also means people dont remove things from bags.

Usually you only need a pin to unzip the bag even if it is locked.