Govt asks economist Atif Mian to step down from Economic Advisory Council

[Numerous]

Absolute quality dont exist in any part of the world but still you have justice system in there which treat everyone equally . You get opportunity of better education, work , health care irrespective of your beliefs. You have freedom of religion amd even tabligi people from Pakistan get visa to preach Islam in UK. You get nationality and access to welfare system irrespective of your beliefs and now compare this with middle east and how arab treat others Muslim from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Sajid or sadiq khan might not be perfect Muslims for you but they had father who was bus driver and they still got this opportunity of education and to be in UK politics and getting this senior position instead of someone shutting door of education or politics for them because of their race, origin or beliefs etc. I am sure you would not like it if someone discriminate against you because of your beliefs . When you apply for Job then you expect from your employer to look at your qualification and experience and you dont mention your religious beliefs in CV. Do you?

With all due respect brother, the UK providing free healthcare or education does not have anything to do with letting an individual who's beliefs are contrary to society's being put in a position of power & influence. If Pakistan was a rich country, then we would have free healthcare and education for everyone too.

The UK really doesn't haven't freedom of religion in that sense bro. There is a certain line you have to keep on and if you go off that line then the UK will definitely block you from coming into the country. Just be vocal about homosexuality and if they find out, they'll definitely block you, I think it happened to mufti menk and he got banned from entering. The goray actively protect their culture & morals this way, it is no different to Pakistan.

Bro regardless of how Arabs treat Pakistanis, it is not a justification for us to allow Qadianis into positions of power. Yes the arabs are our brothers in faith and if they mistreat us then Allah will question them about that later. But we hold no such obligation to groups like Qadianis who want to change Islam. They can go get educated and get healthcare, but you know, Qadianis in high political position is a definite no.

Bro, there a difference between a bus driver's children being given education and a man who wants to your change your religion being given a position of influence. Noone here is saying shut down all education for Qadianis, I have not read through all 20+ pages on this thread but I am sure that is not what their thread is about. Sajid Javid and Sadiq Khan are not your every day Muslims and neither do their beliefs match ours. The only reason they are where they are is because they don't have Muslim beliefs such as being anti-homosexuality. If they had Muslim beliefs in those issues then yes their door to politics would've been shut off long ago. The UK is not a paradise where anyone can do anything bro.

I personally don't care if people discriminate against me in or job situation. I do not want to work for people who don't want me there. Also it helps bypass any conflict that would've occurred between me and an employer due to their dislike of me.

 

[LeGenD]

Yes and we don't want to tell IMF/USA about our deal with China. Atif Mian was asking the same question which USA was asking and even before he was anti-china and pro western economic policies. Pakistan has used pro western economic policy for 70 years and we got nothing but loss from that so it is time to get some one from Chinese school of economics.

Pakistan finds itself in debt trap situation due to rampant corruption - nothing else.

IMF have rescued Pakistani economy from collapse time and again, and corrupt elements have capitalized on this dynamic to their advantage. However, some fools blame IMF for victimizing Pakistan. This thankless (and accusatory) mentality is one of the reasons why sympathy for Pakistan is dropping in the WEST.

IK have requested all overseas Pakistani to donate for dam construction. Many fund his hospitals and universities. This is all OK but if they want to learn about CPEC under the capacity of economic advisory - they cannot be trusted? Isn't this hypocrisy?

 

[Jf Thunder]

Imran is a mullah himself. He wants to create doctors, engineers and accountants though madrasas. He supports the blasphemy law and look at his wife. Take it as a personal attack or whatever but all these things add up.

Imran is a hypocrite.

I would suggest that you refrain from stuff like that
I got banned for saying similar things

 

[BHarwana]

Pakistan finds itself in debt trap situation due to rampant corruption - nothing else.

IMF have rescued Pakistani economy from collapse time and again, and corrupt elements have capitalized on this dynamic to their advantage. However, some fools blame IMF for victimizing Pakistan.

IK have requested all overseas Pakistani to donate for dam construction. Many fund his hospitals and universities. This is all OK but if they want to learn about CPEC under the capacity of economic advisory - they cannot be trusted? Isn't this hypocrisy?

Why should we make our CPEC deal.known to the world. For what reason. The project is linked to national security and national security is always classified. What interest USA has in it? The continent of USA is 1000s of miles way a from Gwadar. My advise is for USA to restrain its self from adventures they have in mind. It is not their business.

Secondly who is Atif Mian to question CPEC? He has no authority to do so. He is questioning the whole project on the same terms of USA even before he is appointed.

Sorry bro your world is flat theory is not going to work here.

 

[TMA]

country became a joke . i wish EU west do same with Pakistanis too

Ask all the dual holding citizens who are governmental advisors to step down?

 

[Path-Finder]

Any such so called economic experts like Atif and rest of lot...who are on the panels of IMF and WB are basically economic hitmen.

They are economic hit men. They cannot bring stability. i don't get what Imran is playing at because he used to talk about Mahathir Mohammad of Malaysia who is in power again! How he completely changed Malaysia into a economic wonder. That is the trail we need to follow not yes men of IMF.

 

[MBT 3000]

PTI will gain mullahs votes, for sure.

yep anyone that opposes someone few support become that

 

[TMA]

With all due respect brother, the UK providing free healthcare or education does not have anything to do with letting an individual who's beliefs are contrary to society's being put in a position of power & influence. If Pakistan was a rich country, then we would have free healthcare and education for everyone too.

The UK really doesn't haven't freedom of religion in that sense bro. There is a certain line you have to keep on and if you go off that line then the UK will definitely block you from coming into the country. Just be vocal about homosexuality and if they find out, they'll definitely block you, I think it happened to mufti menk and he got banned from entering. The goray actively protect their culture & morals this way, it is no different to Pakistan.

Bro regardless of how Arabs treat Pakistanis, it is not a justification for us to allow Qadianis into positions of power. Yes the arabs are our brothers in faith and if they mistreat us then Allah will question them about that later. But we hold no such obligation to groups like Qadianis who want to change Islam. They can go get educated and get healthcare, but you know, Qadianis in high political position is a definite no.

Bro, there a difference between a bus driver's children being given education and a man who wants to your change your religion being given a position of influence. Noone here is saying shut down all education for Qadianis, I have not read through all 20+ pages on this thread but I am sure that is not what their thread is about. Sajid Javid and Sadiq Khan are not your every day Muslims and neither do their beliefs match ours. The only reason they are where they are is because they don't have Muslim beliefs such as being anti-homosexuality. If they had Muslim beliefs in those issues then yes their door to politics would've been shut off long ago. The UK is not a paradise where anyone can do anything bro.

I personally don't care if people discriminate against me in or job situation. I do not want to work for people who don't want me there. Also it helps bypass any conflict that would've occurred between me and an employer due to their dislike of me.

You sir are a backward inbred bigot(!)

Pakistan finds itself in debt trap situation due to rampant corruption - nothing else.

IMF have rescued Pakistani economy from collapse time and again, and corrupt elements have capitalized on this dynamic to their advantage. However, some fools blame IMF for victimizing Pakistan. This thankless (and accusatory) mentality is one of the reasons why sympathy for Pakistan is dropping in the WEST.

IK have requested all overseas Pakistani to donate for dam construction. Many fund his hospitals and universities. This is all OK but if they want to learn about CPEC under the capacity of economic advisory - they cannot be trusted? Isn't this hypocrisy?

No doubt corruption is a problem. But IMF a rescuer. Yeah and the pimp is a hero for poor orphan girls....

 

[war&peace]

They are economic hit men. They cannot bring stability. i don't get what Imran is playing at because he used to talk about Mahathir Mohammad of Malaysia who is in power again! How he completely changed Malaysia into a economic wonder. That is the trail we need to follow not yes men of IMF.

Exactly, I have heard Imran Khan always speaking very highly of Mahathir Muhammad and he has even met him. So I don't know why IK has not contacted him yet. We need to strengthen our relations with Malaysia and Mahathir is best man for this to happen. Also Malaysian airforce needs a good modern fighter jet as they have only 4 out of 28 Russian fighters in working conditions and a few hornets and hawks are working..

 

[TMA]

When you look for better scientists, economists, educationist then you look for skills and qualification of people in these fields. Religion become irrelevant in science and economics. We should not kill merit to appease religious bigots out there. What next? Sunni should demand no Shia in any job because Shia abuse caliphas and wife of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and consider their imams as infallible people

We Pakistani feel proud when british born Pakistani Muslim beccome mayor or home secretary in UK but we love to discriminate others because of their religious beliefs. If we demand fairness from non muslims then we should treat others with fairness as well.

Okay. If someone holds another person as infallible then does that not create a conflict of interest with that someone’s loyalty to another whom he does not hold as infallible?

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

With all due respect brother, the UK providing free healthcare or education does not have anything to do with letting an individual who's beliefs are contrary to society's being put in a position of power & influence. If Pakistan was a rich country, then we would have free healthcare and education for everyone too.

The UK really doesn't haven't freedom of religion in that sense bro. There is a certain line you have to keep on and if you go off that line then the UK will definitely block you from coming into the country. Just be vocal about homosexuality and if they find out, they'll definitely block you, I think it happened to mufti menk and he got banned from entering. The goray actively protect their culture & morals this way, it is no different to Pakistan.

Bro regardless of how Arabs treat Pakistanis, it is not a justification for us to allow Qadianis into positions of power. Yes the arabs are our brothers in faith and if they mistreat us then Allah will question them about that later. But we hold no such obligation to groups like Qadianis who want to change Islam. They can go get educated and get healthcare, but you know, Qadianis in high political position is a definite no.

Bro, there a difference between a bus driver's children being given education and a man who wants to your change your religion being given a position of influence. Noone here is saying shut down all education for Qadianis, I have not read through all 20+ pages on this thread but I am sure that is not what their thread is about. Sajid Javid and Sadiq Khan are not your every day Muslims and neither do their beliefs match ours. The only reason they are where they are is because they don't have Muslim beliefs such as being anti-homosexuality. If they had Muslim beliefs in those issues then yes their door to politics would've been shut off long ago. The UK is not a paradise where anyone can do anything bro.

I personally don't care if people discriminate against me in or job situation. I do not want to work for people who don't want me there. Also it helps bypass any conflict that would've occurred between me and an employer due to their dislike of me.

Dear we are dragging topic in another direction. My religious views are different to Qadyani. They are free to criticise me
I am free to criticise them . My question was simple

Why religious beliefs matter when you are going to work in field of economics or science?

 

[BHarwana]

Yes Imran Khan took the right decision of making him step down if he is another hired hand of IMF, because in that case his intelligence in higher than our requirement.

Imran Khan took a wrong decision on basis of religious priority.

There are only two reasons for Imran Khan to make him step down. What ever is Imran Khan decision based on I don't know but I know this the people of Pakistan have chosen the leader wisely and Allah pak will help Pakistan to pull out of all this. If Allah wants his bad decisions will turn into good ones.

 

[TMA]

Well I'm not sure about Pakistanis back in Pakistan. But many (if not most) UK Pakistanis view people like Sajid Javaad with extreme distrust, I personally never come across a UK pakistani who has liked him because Sajid Javaad is pretty much a gora in a Pakistanis body and has views like being very pro Israel which put him at odds with other Muslims.

Sadiq Khan whilst slightly better, has his own major flaws such as going out to LGBT parades and the like.

These kinds of people are not someone we should be proud of. They have sold themselves and their values and their principles for a temporary power. Anyway who sells their own morals and takes on western ones can become a politician in England. Sure it takes talent to reach a good position but it is not good to be proud of people like this just because because 40 years ago their father migrated from the same country as yours.

No Muslim who is outwardly practicing and actively reveals his views on issues like LGBT or Qadianis or any other issues which the west takes an alternative position on, they would never be able to get into government. We need to stop thinking that the west is all about equal opportunity in everything because that is not true bro.

I concur.

They are hesitant to bail out Pakistani economy in the light of CPEC-oriented loans. Nothing else.

Have you ever applied for loan in a bank? They will inquire about your other loans (if you have taken any) because they want to assess your capacity for repayments and what kind of obligations you are under. This is SOP of lending business.

IMF will want to know everything loan-related, if approached for bail out = SOP.

As I pointed out earlier, you see a conspiracy in everything.

And he should...

 

[war&peace]

Dear we are dragging topic in another direction. My religious views are different to Qadyani. They are free to criticise me
I am free to criticise them . My question was simple

Why religious beliefs matter when you are going to work in field of economics or science?

So who is stopping him from working in those fields. He will continue what he has been doing already.

 

[LeGenD]

Why should we make our CPEC deal.known to the world. For what reason. The project is linked to national security and national security is always classified. What interest USA has in it? The continent of USA is 1000s of miles way a from Gwadar. My advise is for USA to restrain its self from adventures they have in mind. It is not their business.

Secondly who is Atif Mian to question CPEC? He has no authority to do so. He is questioning the whole project on the same terms of USA even before he is appointed.

Sorry bro your world is flat theory is not going to work here.

You are deflecting and dodging my points, and parroting same views again and again. You have comprehension problems, bro.

US does not give a shit about CPEC on its own unless WE knock on its door to address our problems. Understand?

Don't drag US into this discussion and use it as a scapegoat to dodge my points. Unfortunately you do not have much counter-argument.