Govt Approves Inclusion Of Qadianis In National Commission For Minorities

[Nasr]

So this is why there were so many anti-Ahmadi trends running on twitter today.


If Muslims believe in Allah and the day of judgement, then let the Ahmadis practice their faith as they wish, call themselves what they wish, and let Allah decide on the day of judgement.

Who said that kadianis aren't allowed to practice their faith? As long as they accept the fact that they are not Muslim, and don't go parading around claiming to be Muslim, then yes, they can practice their faith in whatever they believe in, just as hindus, buddhists, zoroastrians and etc do in Pakistan.

 

[Crusher]

They are known as Ahmedis as well. It’s very common terminology in western part of the world.

Also, they call themselves Ahmedis when someone ask about their sect. So I’m not making this word up.

But not in Pakistan at least not in Punjab where they are exclusively called "Marzai".

 

[Moonlight]

But not in Pakistan at least not in Punjab where they are exclusively called "Marzai".

Is that even an issue? No it’s not. Let’s just stick to the topic.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Who said that kadianis aren't allowed to practice their faith? As long as they accept the fact that they are not Muslim, and don't go parading around claiming to be Muslim, then yes, they can practice their faith

Did you even read what you wrote?

Please, please tell me that was sarcasm ...

Do I really need to explain how your statement is so arse backwards and contradictory?

YOU want to impose conditions like "As long as they accept the fact that they are not Muslim, and don't go parading around claiming to be Muslim" and then say "they are allowed to practice their faith".

 

[El Sidd]

its covid19 season. no one will go to gitmo as well. it will all be decided within that fort of islam

 

[Dark-Destroyer]

this govt is proxy of antiPakistan forces and should be removed as soon as possible to secure Pakistan

Based on what calling ahmedis a non muslim minority? If they arent that what are they?

 

[Blacklight]

Nothing is shameful about letting millions of people practice their faith as they wish.

Like I said, grow up and learn to control your insecurities. If Allah really needed bigots to go around burning people at the crescent to 'protect Islam and the Prophet', Islam would have died out long ago.

As it is, look at the condition of Muslims worldwide - all this hatred, intolerance and prejudice has brought us nothing other than backwardness, violence and stupidity.

Can you tell me who is stopping Qadainis from practicing their faith? It's only on PDF and the libturd lobby that seems to be in pains over how much pain they are in.

Nonetheless, making false accusations against me, and deflecting 360 degrees will not help you.

The more you defend qadianis, the deeper the hole you are digging for this forum.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

woah after this comment, would you like to explain what “aGoNiStIc mUsLiM” means? Does that even make any sense?

What relevance does my name have on the discussion?

I'm clear in my principles & values - every individual deserves to be treated with respect and allowed to practice their faith as they wish, so long as no tangible harm is done to others through said practice.

 

[Crusher]

Is that even an issue? No it’s not. Let’s just stick to the topic.

I always want to educate the people about the ground realities of Pakistan from my first hand knowledge. These things may look trivial to people living outside of Pakistan but the people living inside Pakistan take these things very seriously.

 

[Death Professor]

They are known as Ahmedis as well. It’s very common terminology in western part of the world.

Also, they call themselves Ahmedis when someone ask about their sect. So I’m not making this word up.

Sure but it is offensive for every muslim and should be. It is their way to rub on the wounds. And the origin for why it is used is:
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وَإِذْ قَالَ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ إِنِّي رَسُولُ اللَّهِ إِلَيْكُمْ مُصَدِّقًا لِمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيَّ مِنَ التَّوْرَاةِ وَمُبَشِّرًا بِرَسُولٍ يَأْتِي مِنْ بَعْدِي اسْمُهُ أَحْمَدُ ۖ فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُمْ بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ قَالُوا هَٰذَا سِحْرٌ مُبِينٌ

English translation, is as follows:

"And remember when Jesus, son of Mary, said, o children of Israel, surely I am Allah's Messenger unto you fulfilling that which is before me of Torah, and giving glad tidings of e. Messenger who will come after me. His name will be Ahmad. And when he came to them with clear proofs they said, 'This is clear enchantment"'.
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Their claim is here and if one accept what they claim to be called as, we are accepting what they believe. So its a very sensitive topic. Sometimes we just accept things how they are in thoughtlessness.

 

[Dark-Destroyer]

there was no need of such proceeding by govt when country is facing problems due to pandemic,timing of such action suggest that they are deliberately doing this to create unrest,soon people will gather in large numbers for protests which will spread more corona virus and will cause more damage to economy,govt actions clearly show that they want to damage country

What unrest over what basic education would suggest that a non muslim in a majority Muslim country is a minority its as simple as A B C whats the argument about its completely a stupid argument all together

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I haven't been disrespectful to anyone. May be you are mixing twitter hash tags with this thread. But when did "Qadiani" start being used as a form of disrespect?

My apologies. I should have clarified and not made assumptions. The Ahmadis I have come across in the US indicated to me that they considered the term Qadiani derogatory and preferred Ahmadi. It was wrong on my part to assume that everyone was familiar with that or that ALL Ahmadis considered the term Qadiani a derogatory term.

 

[Yaseen1]

if their khalifa mirza masroor give statement that they are minority and not a Muslim then there is no issue in giving them representation for minority commission but he has never accepted his group as non Muslim and repeatedly claim to be a Muslim and regard Muslims as nonMuslim

Based on what calling ahmedis a non muslim minority? If they arent that what are they?

 

[Moonlight]

What relevance does my name have on the discussion?

I'm clear in my principles & values - every individual deserves to be treated with respect and allowed to practice their faith as they wish, so long as no tangible harm is done to others through said practice.

Did’t you just question the faith of “you lot”? Then I wanted to question your name that doesn’t really make any sense.


And yes everyone should have all the freedom to practice their faith but calling ones faith your faith as well with making some blasphemous changes would definitely face serious criticism.

 

[Dark-Destroyer]

if their khalifa mirza masroor give statement that they are minority and not a Muslim then there is no issue in giving them representation for minority commission but he has never accepted his group as non Muslim and repeatedly claim to be a Muslim and regard Muslims as nonMuslim

As a Muslim you know your faith you know the final messnger is our Nabi Paak Muhammad s.a.w you dont need a non believer to tell you your faith and the goverment has declared them as non muslim so this arguemnt is not even necessary. It doesnt matter what he says.