Govt Approves Inclusion Of Qadianis In National Commission For Minorities

[El Sidd]

There's no community debate necessary.

Says who? Debate is a must

1. Ahmadis are not-Muslims and should therefore be considered minorities and included in the National Commission on Minorities

2. Ahmadis are not minorities, in which case they should be considered Muslims and the constitution of Pakistan amended to remove any references to them not being Muslim

Qadiyan is a city in India.

That's not how it works now does it. You cannot go around giving every 3rd world cult a religion status.

A country's legislature simply does not work like that. Neither they do become automatic Muslims nor they have a uniform set of beliefs that fulfill requirements of a separate religion.

The distinction of being non Muslim is enough.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

They are free to practice what ever they want, as long as they dont call themselves Muslims.

Then why the uproar over including them in the National Commission on Minorites?

In Pakistan, are minorities not defined as those who are not Muslim?

Says who? Debate is a must


Qadiyan is a city in India.

That's not how it works now does it. You cannot go around giving every 3rd world cult a religion status.

A country's legislature simply does not work like that. Neither they do become automatic Muslims nor they have a uniform set of beliefs that fulfill requirements of a separate religion.

The distinction of being non Muslim is enough.

Again, stop beating around the bush, or rocks, or whatever inanimate object you've chosen to run around today and answer the previous question:

What other options are there:

1. Ahmadis are not-Muslims and should therefore be considered minorities and included in the National Commission on Minorities

2. Ahmadis are not minorities, in which case they should be considered Muslims and the constitution of Pakistan amended to remove any references to them not being Muslim

es it is and that is why it is proper to call them Qadiani and not Ahmedis(but thats just my opinion)

The proper and respectful thing to do is to refer to a community by what they choose to be called.

Do you like it when rednecks refer to Muslims as 'Islamicans'?

 

[El Sidd]

What other options are there

The same options that worked till now.

What problems have they been facing or aim to resolve with this legislation?

 

[Blacklight]

Then why the uproar over including them in the National Commission on Minorites?

In Pakistan, are minorities not defined as those who are not Muslim?

Because "they" are yet to admit that they are a minority. According to their rehtoric, it is the others i.e. Shia + Sunni who are non-Muslims. Qadianis need to stop being confused, and pick a side.

 

[jericho]

very. ironic that mosques are closed.

In Canada yes. In Pakistan they opened it based on some guidelines. (and you know about it)

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The same options that worked till now.

What problems have they been facing or aim to resolve with this legislation?

That option is that they are declared non-Muslim under the constitution and therefore are a minority.

 

[Yaseen1]

there was no need of such proceeding by govt when country is facing problems due to pandemic,timing of such action suggest that they are deliberately doing this to create unrest,soon people will gather in large numbers for protests which will spread more corona virus and will cause more damage to economy,govt actions clearly show that they want to damage country

You can't put together a rational argument on why Ahamadis shouldn't be on the National Commission on Minorities but have the gall to come on here and declare the government a 'proxy of anti-Pakistan forces'.

Na koi sharam na haya.

If they are not Muslims then they are minorities.

If you don't want them to be treated as minorities, then change to constitution to declare them Muslims.

 

[El Sidd]

In Canada yes. In Pakistan they opened it based on some guidelines. (and you know about it)

The 20 points agreed led to 90 percent mosques being closed.

 

[313ghazi]

If people don't consider Ahmadis as Muslims, then they are minorities and should have a place on the National Commission on Minorities.

If you don't consider them minorities, then they are Muslims.

You can't just put millions of people from a particular faith in limbo - neither minorities nor Muslims, just because you're incapable of controlling your inner bigot.

You can if you're a bigot sanghi who secretly doesn't want qaidianis to exist. This type of person would resort to any means possible to make that happen if they could.

Unfortunately we have people like that amongst us. The spread of hate is deep in our society.

 

[Blacklight]

there was no need of such proceeding by govt when country is facing problems due to pandemic,timing of such action suggest that they are deliberately doing this to create unrest,soon people with gather in large numbers for protests which will spread more corona virus and will cause more damage to economy,govt actions clearly show that they want to damage country

When a country is in crisis, that is the most opportune time to quietly pass laws / rules that suits those in power. So much for democracy....

 

[313ghazi]

there was no need of such proceeding by govt when country is facing problems due to pandemic,timing of such action suggest that they are deliberately doing this to create unrest,soon people will gather in large numbers for protests which will spread more corona virus and will cause more damage to economy,govt actions clearly show that they want to damage country

Maybe the people could have some sharam instead and not decide to oppress a religious minority?

 

[El Sidd]

That option is that they are declared non-Muslim under the constitution and therefore are a minority.

When you fill a form there is an option of others.

What beneficial corruption scheme do the Qadiyanis intend to achieve by this? There is simply no debate as to why this lawmaking was needed and to tackle what governance issue borne out of the simple fact that cults don't get religion status in Pakistan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Because "they" are yet to admit that they are a minority. According to their rehtoric, it is the others i.e. Shia + Sunni who are non-Muslims. Qadianis need to stop being confused, and pick a side.

It obviously doesn't matter what Ahmadis think because the constitution has declared them non-Muslim against their will. And if the constitution has declared them non-Muslim, then the only other legal option available is for them to be minorities.

We have some extremist Sunnis who don't think Shia or Ismailis are Muslim - disagreements over faith exist in every faith and sect. So that isn't really much of an argument one way or the other.

When you fill a form there is an option of others.

What beneficial corruption scheme do the Qadiyanis intend to achieve by this? There is simply no debate as to why this lawmaking was needed and to tackle what governance issue borne out of the simple fact that cults don't get religion status in Pakistan.

What is an 'other'?

Are they visitors from Mars?

 

[Yaseen1]

i think after govt such action to favor qadyanis unjustly more people will gather in mosques as it seems that govt want to end freedom of Muslims for prayers but want to give this to qadyanis which cannot be tolerated and we will protect our religious freedom at any cost

The 20 points agreed led to 90 percent mosques being closed.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

When a country is in crisis, that is the most opportune time to quietly pass laws / rules that suits those in power. So much for democracy....

It's a freaking commission on minorities, thats it! And Ahmadis are being given a seat at the table to advocate for the rights of their community.

Give your insecurity a rest.