Governor of Jakarta a Chinese Indonesian

[Nusantara]

this thread really out of topic, from ahok to SCS issue, lol

 

[EastSea]

It's simple really, Paracel is an island chain that China and Vietnam want it, and you lost. Both side has their own propaganda, but the reality is, you didn't have it, even prior the S. Vietnam vs China sea battle in '70. Oh, the 9 dash line is a different matter. It is not about Paracel and Spratley. I acknowledge your position in some of Spratley Islands as you have de facto presence there, but the Paracel? LOL, it just in your dream.

Vietnamese controlled officially all Islands in East sea of Vietnam from long time ago. There is Meteo Station of Annam Empire on Paracel Islands. Not propaganda.There was not vacant islands when Chinese invaded with force in 1974. South Vietmese soldiers stationed in Paracels. There was bloody fighting in 1974, do you know it ?. Occupation with force is illegal./

apply your logic here, Chinese can say that Natuna Islands itself and shore, reefs, rocks archipelagos were vacant when KMT claimed nine dashed territory in 1948.

You are stupid boy, Pls shoot up .

 

[Brainsucker]

Vietnamese controlled officially all Islands in East sea of Vietnam from long time ago. There is Meteo Station of Annam Empire on Paracel Islands. Not propaganda.There was not vacant islands when Chinese invaded with force in 1974. South Vietmese soldiers stationed in Paracels. There was bloody fighting in 1974, do you know it ?. Occupation with force is illegal./

apply your logic here, Chinese can say that Natuna Islands itself and shore, reefs, rocks archipelagos were vacant when KMT claimed nine dashed territory in 1948.

You are stupid boy, Pls shoot up .

It's propaganda Stop it, you know that I won't be fooled by your ignorant propaganda. It's a waste of your breath.

 

[EastSea]

It's propaganda Stop it, you know that I won't be fooled by your ignorant propaganda. It's a waste of your breath.

This is evidences of history, no propaganda. Vietnamese and territory mark statue and Meteo station....before 1974.

 

[NiceGuy]

I seldom go on insulting people, nowadays but presenting facts.

I make people mad.

There are many who always insult but fortunately PDF is moderated in favor of certain states and ideology especially your state.

If people cannot argue with me using facts, when PDF is so moderated, then it is their own problem.

There is so many PRC here who keep trolling on HOW THEY MAKE VIETNAMESE girls sex slaves. I get ANGRY with such people.

Respect, man ! CN also have lots of troubles but we VNese will get ban if we troll them back.

I hope to see more nice Chinese ethnic like u in ASEAN in stead of Pol Pot , Ieng Sary etc, so we can stay peacefully together

 

[Brainsucker]

This is evidences of history, no propaganda. Vietnamese and territory mark statue and Meteo station....before 1974.

LOL this photo can be anywhere. It doesn't proof anything. Plus, even if it's true, then what? Where is the administration center in the Paracel island?. So what if I build a house in one of emtpy SCS island? Will that island automatically become Indonesian's?

 

[ih8viet]

Respect, man ! CN also have lots of troubles but we VNese will get ban if we troll them back.

I hope to see more nice Chinese ethnic like u in ASEAN in stead of Pol Pot , Ieng Sary etc, so we can stay peacefully together

Quit whining little girl. Cant wait to create another lon nol, we still have unfinished business. Gotta love these smirking fox.

 

[dichoi]

LOL this photo can be anywhere. It doesn't proof anything. Plus, even if it's true, then what? Where is the administration center in the Paracel island?. So what if I build a house in one of emtpy SCS island? Will that island automatically become Indonesian's?

Take care about you first.

 

[katarabhumi]

You are too much involved with religion. It's not like you're going to get 72 virgins after you die. You'll just be like every human being buried and left to rot. That's life. There is no Allah which is going to come personally and take you to heaven. That's all crap shit. People who you believed in, played with your minds. You should be smarter than that.

I don't understand why you even need to insult my belief. Do you think I'm an extremists or something?

YES. I am a MUSLIM and VERY PROUD of it. There's nothing you can do nor say that can sway me over.
But.. As far as I can remember I never attack anyone's belief anywhere, whether you belief in gods or godless I don't care. I always respect other's choices.

I follow what my religion has instructed in Quran Surah 109 which is specifically directed at people like you.

"For you is your religion, and for me is my religion" (109:6)

Surat Al-Kafirun - The Noble Qur'an - القرآن الكريم

I don't follow my religion simply because I inherited it.. I have studied and have looked to what atheism and others have to offer. I still find my religion offers the best in the end.

Salaam.

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Back to Ahok. I'm not a Jakartan but I support him and agree with his style of ruling. Jakarta needs a leader with resolution like Ahok.
He needs to control his mouth and temper though.

 

[Brainsucker]

Take care about you first.

First thing first, it won't happen, simply because we won't allow it. Right now Natuna's defense has been upgraded, and will always upgraded. Even if they want to claim it, We don't care. Because it won't be different than Vietnam who claim Paracel Bark but won't bite.

Plus, Why PRC want to become Indonesia enemy? the strategic value of Indonesia as a friend is much-much profitable to PRC than taking a small island.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Ahok: Another new hope?
Andina Dwifatma, Jakarta | Opinion | Sat, March 28 2015, 10:09 AM

Opinion News
All eyes are now on Jakarta Governor Basuki “Ahok” Tjahaja Purnama after he challenged the City Council’s draft budget, which was full of questionable allocations, and reported alleged irregularities to the Corruption Eradication Commission (KPK).

People have come up with various social media hashtags and movements supporting Ahok have emerged.

According to pollster Lingkar Survei Indonesia, from its survey on the city budget dispute, 40 percent of the lower middle class, 51 percent of the middle class and 72 percent of the upper middle class trust Ahok to run a clean government.

This reminds us of the early days of President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo’s presidency, when he was percieved as a hero of the people.

Time magazine used the term “new hope” to describe Jokowi’s presidential win — but does Ahok represent another new hope for Indonesia?

Ahok’s popularity is driven by something different than Jokowi’s. The media used to portray Jokowi as a humble, populist leader.

Yet Ahok swears a lot, stands proud with no party affiliation and bluntly states the facts that everyone knows but no one dares to say out loud.

He refers to the corrupt as the perpetrators and often says many are against him not because they think he is wrong, but because he is ethnic Chinese and Christian.

Ahok invalidates many theories of political communication. He lacks wisdom and has little diplomacy, yet many support him.

The logic behind Ahok’s popularity lies in one issue that apparently matters most to people nowadays: a leader is valued on the firmness of his commitment to fighting corruption.

Jokowi lost his charm because he failed to show firmness in stopping the police undermining the KPK.

In contrast, despite many legal efforts to get rid of him, Ahok appears to be standing tall to fight corruption. When we talk about people’s opinions, who are we referring to?

According to political communication scientist Vincent Price, three words often associated with “people” are crowd, public and mass.

A crowd is moved by the unity of an emotional experience and tends to be reactive rather than deliberative. In a crowd, individuals very easily lose themselves and only act according to collective desire.

Meanwhile, in public, individuals gather not only in the name of empathy, but also in terms of the ability to think and argue.

A group of people are called “public” when they face a common problem and express diverse views regarding that problem, but are willing to engage in discussions to find solutions.

The danger shadowing modern civilizations is when the public changes into the mass.

Abundant information and analysis from various sources — which are not always credible — can make
people skeptical.

At this point, individuals become no more than part of the mass, a group of anonymous people with minimum efforts to communicate.

In Jokowi’s case, people can be seen as more of a crowd. Jokowi’s best qualities are humility and modesty, but we now know that these are not enough.

In Ahok’s case, people are more deliberate in professing their support. The budget saga gives people perspective on why they need to be on Ahok’s side.

Clear data regarding the draft budget gives a sense of transparency to the Jakarta administration.

It is also a sign that people pay attention to credible sources instead of giving support without reason.

The message is clear: it is not about supporting Ahok as an individual, but more about how people are empowered to defend their right to their own money.

Whether Ahok makes it as the leader of the nation remains to be seen The best thing to do now is to make sure the people stay together as a public, not as a crowd or mass.

It will prevent them from being too emotional. It will also empower them to become watchdogs of government, institutions and the media.

Hate speech and smear campaigns should be abolished.

The public does not always have to be in agreement.

Differences of opinion with a desire to solve problems together becomes a prerequisite of the public’s existence. It is the only way our democracy will mature.

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The writer is a lecturer in the School of Communication, Atma Jaya Catholic University, Jakarta. She co-founded a longform journalism website, panajournal.com.

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Ahok Is Rude and Brash and Jakartans Love Him For It


Governor of Jakarta, Basuki Tjahaja Purnama (L), speaks with members of the media following his meeting with Mayor of London Boris Johnson (R) listens as the in Jakarta on Nov. 29, 2014.
Darren Whiteside/Reuters
JAKARTA, Indonesia–Jakarta Gov. Basuki Tjahaja Purnama is facing an inquiry from lawmakers over his handling of this year’s draft budget that could lead to impeachment. The inquiry was first raised weeks ago and has unraveled into a public dispute between Mr. Purnama and the city council.

As the dispute has dragged on, the public has increasingly rallied around Mr. Purnama, popularly known as Ahok.

Separate surveys released last week showed that the governor’s popularity had grown amid the budget dustup. And analysts say that has a lot to do with trust and transparency and the perception that he’s running a clean administration.

“I think he’s doing good things,” said Windhu Hidranto Sudjono, an infrastructure expert and head of PPP Indonesia, a consultancy that advises the government on public-private partnership deals, including the Jakarta MRT. “He’s being more open, more honest, trying to open up systems which have been closed for so long.”

Mr. Sudjono said people like Mr. Purnama “because of his courage to say what needs to be said. The way he says things is maybe not always acceptable, but the fact that he’s saying it is good.”

As much as his tough guy act has won him fans, however, it has also drawn criticism. The short-tempered governor has earned a reputation for publicly berating underperforming officials or subordinates. Videos of him losing his cool have gone viral.

He’s been called arrogant and rude, even by his supporters.

“I don’t agree that you always have to be shouting at people,” said Mr. Sudjono. “If he overdoes it, people won’t be talking about the message but about the way he delivers it.”

Some political analysts say he needs to soften his tone and rely more on a team of public relations strategists.

Raja Juli Antoni, director of the Jakarta-based Indonesian Institute think tank, says its the intent rather than the delivery that matters and people should and accept him as a man of action focused on providing good governance.

“To smile, be gentle in front of people” that is the Javanese way, said Mr. Antoni, referring to people from Indonesia’s main island of Java. Mr. Purnama is from resource-rich Bangka-Belitung island off the coast of Sumatra and is an ethnic Chinese, a minority that has historically held control over business and trade.

His background as a double minority – he is also a Christian in a country with the world’s most Muslims – drew a lot of attention when he ran as Joko Widodo’s deputy during the 2012 election for Jakarta governor. But it has seldom been raised since he took over as governor after Mr. Widodo became president.

“People don’t see him as Chinese. People see him as a really crazy guy, and he’s proven he’s fighting for the people consistently,” said Dharsono Hartono, the managing director of forest conservation company PT Rimba Makmur Utama and a Chinese-Indonesian.

His transparency and desire to stand up for the little guy – even if shouting while doing so – has, for the most part, won him kudos among Jakarta residents who describe him as brash but decisive.

And that decisiveness is a quality residents say is desperately needed in an overcrowded city marred by crumbling or inefficient infrastructure, pollution, traffic and flooding.

Even if he survives the council’s inquiry, however, which most suspect he will, he’ll still face plenty of resistance from the country’s political elite, said Mr. Sudjono.

The key to his survival will be maintaining the support of the people and living up to his promises, said Mr. Hartono, who points out that he’s already making some headway.

“He can show he’s pushing his agenda on traffic and flooding,” Mr. Hartono said. “You can see that the subway is being built. We’ve been talking about it for 20 years, but finally it’s breaking ground because he pushes the agenda. He dares to stand up and say ‘we have to do it’.”

Ahok Is Rude and Brash and Jakartans Love Him For It - Indonesia Real Time - WSJ