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[Lux de Veritas]

You are correct about both Christianity and Islam being very similar. However, Christianity has undergone a process of evolution to fit with the modern society and Christianity no longer has the ability to define an identity for a person on its own whereas with the current dynamics of Islam, it's the other way around. For Muslims, religion comes first hence the reason for the inconstancies with the modern world. There is also a huge pressure within the Islamic society to pressure individuals who decides to go against their norm and the constitution of more than half muslim-majority countries encourages this notion. For instance, my parents are Christian but I am not, however had my parents been Muslims, I probably wouldn't have the luxury of choosing an alternative path.

And it's not true to say that violence is not integrated in holy books - both bible and quran. The argument many present is that the violence is only suitable in some circumstances but how can one defines for sure what those specific circumstances are?

You are right. Prophet of Christian, Islam and Jews, King David, aka Doud is expert in cutting foreskin and presenting human foreskin as a gift to screw woman.

David rose up and went, he and his men, and struck down two hundred men among the Philistines. Then David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full number to the king, that he might become the king's son-in-law. So Saul gave him Michal his daughter for a wife

1 Samuel 18:27

 

[EastSea]

China needs at least till 2025 to complete our current phase of economic and military development.

USN is unmatched in the world, no question. However the SCS is right next to China, so we can bring everything we have (navy, air force, and missiles), while the USA can only bring a small proportion of their strength there.

Also platforms like our DF-21D carrier killer, anti-satellite missiles, mass produced anti-ship missiles can make it very costly for America.

I don't think they are happy with the cost-benefit ratio of a fight, which is why they abandoned their "mutual defense treaty" with the Philippines when we took Huangyan/Scarborough in 2012.

They didn't even sanction us for it. They just asked if they could borrow more money from us.

So even now, when our naval strength is much lower than theirs, we can still force them to abandon their mutual defense treaty. Because it is too costly for them to intervene.

As for the future:

China will have more warships than the U.S. by 2020 - The Washington Post

By 2025 we will be in a very strong position, but still dependent on international trade and resource routes.

It will take a few decades after that to be really energy independent. Currently we only import around 10% of our energy use, which is nearly the lowest in the world. But once we can fully harness our Shale gas reserves (largest on earth) and our renewable energy potential, that is the point where we will have real strategic freedom. Maybe by 2035-2040.

And still, we will only want to take back that which has been stolen from us, and no more. And maybe agree to some resource sharing deals. There is no apocalypse scenario unless someone attacks us first.

arrogant, idiot aggressive Chinese.

US is master for this game, idiot Chinese taken a black chess. You will be loser under UNCLOS arbitration with Philippine.

For about Paracel Islands, honestly, I don't believe any historical claim bullshit from all side. Paracel was a vacant area that belong to no one in the past. And both Vietnam and China started to claim it in '70. Vietnam lost, so it's belong to China.

You made mistake, Vietnam controlled Paracels from long time ago with out trouble with China in the past.

Vietnamese were living in Paracel long time ago, the pic is captured in 1938.

Vietnam map from 1836 with Paracels and Spratly.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Prophet Soloman aka Sulaiman aka Shlomo of Islam, Judaism and Christianity came to this earth when King David screw people's wife and killed her husband.

King David was punished by Divine by -- having one of their son dead.

They continue screwing one another non stop since (David is not the one dying), and here come Prophet Sulaiman.

The Islamo/old-Christianity like to interpret the book in the most strickest manner. So no surprise they will find justification in pleasing God by taking sex slave, killing her husband.


2 Samuel 11-12
One evening David got up from his bed and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, 3 and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, “She is Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite.” 4 Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. ...


Nathan replied, “The Lord has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. 14 But because by doing this you have shown utter contempt for[a] the Lord, the son born to you will die.”

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

arrogant, idiot aggressive Chinese.

US is master for this game, idiot Chinese taken a black chess. You will be loser under UNCLOS arbitration with Philippine.

LOL then how come the US isn't saying anything about Xisha/Paracel islands, or Huangyan/Scarborough?

It serves their interests to allow it, that's why. Because it makes others more dependent on them.

 

[EastSea]

LOL then how come the US isn't saying anything about Xisha/Paracel islands, or Huangyan/Scarborough?

It serves their interests to allow it, that's why. Because it makes others more dependent on them.

American said that have to stop China in SCS, you are dumb.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

American said that have to stop China in SCS, you are dumb.

Don't look at some political fluff from a small group of senators, look at their actions.

They were happy to sit back and let us take Scarborough shoal in 2012, even though the Philippines has a "mutual defense treaty" with America.

They are also happy to let us do whatever we want with the Paracel islands.

How much have they actually done? We already took both Scarborough and Paracel, yet we haven't even been sanctioned.

It serves their interests too, since it makes Vietnam/Philippines more dependent on America. So of course they will sit back and watch happily.

 

[Brainsucker]

arrogant, idiot aggressive Chinese.

US is master for this game, idiot Chinese taken a black chess. You will be loser under UNCLOS arbitration with Philippine.



You made mistake, Vietnam controlled Paracels from long time ago with out trouble with China in the past.

Vietnamese were living in Paracel long time ago, the pic is captured in 1938.

Vietnam map from 1836 with Paracels and Spratly.

It is just your propaganda, so there is no reason for me to believe in that.
Plus, even Indonesia has an old map that contain some territories that now belong to Malaysia. Does that mean Malaysia belong to us? And what prevent me to write a fiction that make all countries in the world to become Indonesian Territory right now, and then 200 years and more it will used by Indonesian government / people as propaganda material to justify their claim?

I will only believe in de facto proof, and Paracel Islands was a vacant place prior S. Vietnam vs China war in '70.

 

[Indos]

You know Lux, In Quran, Prophet Sulaiman was punished by God because this conduct : he loves his horse too much, than he know it was wrong ( In Sufism, exaggerating weight in something beside ALLAH at our heart is considered to worship another God, so we can be Musrik ( or worshiping other God beside ALLAH). In order to kill the love of his horse, he killed the horse. And it makes God get angry. God then make Sulaiman become some one who cannot move their body. After that God forgive him, and even add many things ( including more power) to Sulaiman.

I will bring the verse later inshaALLAH, need to find my book first.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

You know Lux, In Quran, Prophet Sulaiman was punished by God because this conduct : he loves his horse too much, than he know it was wrong ( In Sufism, exaggerating weight in something beside ALLAH at our heart is considered to worship another God, so we can be Musrik ( or worshiping other God beside ALLAH). In order to kill the love of his horse, he killed the horse. And it makes God get angry. God then make Sulaiman become some one who cannot move their body. After that God forgive him, and even add many things ( including more power) to Sulaiman.

I read Bible and some Koran and I know enough. I am a Christian. Many Muslims claim to stick to the original tenet and ridicule the Christian for shifting their goal post.

The evolution of Christianity is what enable progress and if one stick to the old way, the result will be fireworks.

I am not saying evolution of Christianity is all good because the emancipation of Christiandom begets sin.

 

[Indos]

I read Bible and some Koran and I know enough. I am a Christian. Many Muslims claim to stick to the original tenet and ridicule the Christian for shifting their goal post.

The evolution of Christianity is what enable progress and if one stick to the old way, the result will be fireworks.

I am not saying evolution of Christianity is all good because the emancipation of Christiandom begets sin.

Yeah, I also read Bible quite a lot, since at there, there are many verses that can explain about Mystical things. Some things that I have studied by myself since I was still at university. We call this practice in Islam as Sufism/ Tasawuf.

Reading the Quran needs context Lux, if not you can be like ISIS who dont understand the context and the whole stories. Particularly at the war context. Since one verse can be replaced with other verses if the context changing, so only Muslim scholars understand the context.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Yeah, I also read Bible quite a lot, since at there, there are many verses that can explain about Mystical things. Some things that I have studied by myself since I was still at university. We call this practice in Islam as Sufism/ Tasawuf.

Reading the Quran needs context Lux, if not you can be like ISIS who dont understand the context and the whole stories. Particularly at the war context. Since one verse can be replaced with other verses if the context changing, so only intellectuals understand the context.

I have always got soft spot for Muslims. Muslims need reformation and after that they will be good people. Most educated Muslims are very nice people, far nicer than Chinese.

Educated hindus are....etc....

No comment....

I have written in PDF, I am not worried if the world is Muslims. But the world will be finished if everyone convert to Hindus.

 

[Indos]

I have always got soft spot for Muslims. Muslims need reformation and after that they will be good people. Most educated Muslims are very nice people, far nicer than Chinese.

Educated hindus are....etc....

No comment....

I have written in PDF, I am not worried if the world is Muslims. But the world will be finished if everyone convert to Hindus.

Quran has metaphor language Lux, since it is a book for both the scholar and non-scholar. In the past, Muslim were good, just like when we take Jerusalem under Saladin, compare to how Christian take Jerusalem.

The current interpreter that should be blamed. ISIS, AQ, etc.

In my opinion, heart purification is actually the heart of Abraham religion, so good Jews, good Christian, good Muslim are the ones that practice Heart Purification.

Check this out buddy : (From Quran)

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

"...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).

"O you who believe! Be helpers of God -- as Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, 'Who will be my helpers in (the work of) God?' Said the disciples, 'We are God's helpers!' Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved. But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed" (61:14).

 

[Brainsucker]

Lux, Indos, I think both Islam and Christian has their own point in their own Quran and Bible. They are different, so let them be. You can't compare both books because they are the holy books from 2 different religion. Debating this matter will consume the sanity of both of you, and capable to incite hatred unconsciously. That bad for your health guys

 

[EastSea]

Don't look at some political fluff from a small group of senators, look at their actions.

They were happy to sit back and let us take Scarborough shoal in 2012, even though the Philippines has a "mutual defense treaty" with America.

They are also happy to let us do whatever we want with the Paracel islands.

How much have they actually done? We already took both Scarborough and Paracel, yet we haven't even been sanctioned.

It serves their interests too, since it makes Vietnam/Philippines more dependent on America. So of course they will sit back and watch happily.

Yes , USA is happily watching , how China disclosed her true aggressive face and tension in SCS is rosed . Uncle Sam has his good opportunity to turn back to SCS and South East Asia.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Yes , USA is happily watching , how China disclosed her true aggressive face and tension in SCS is rosed . Uncle Sam has his good opportunity to turn back to SCS and South East Asia.

Yep they were happily watching while we took the Paracels and Scarborough.

Meanwhile they keep coming to us and asking to borrow more money:

Hillary Clinton pleads with China to buy US Treasuries - Telegraph

Business is good.