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I would also like to thank Pravda for their support. It was pravda and russians who OPENLY DISCREDITED the "Human-caused-Global-Warming-Hoax". It was also pravda and Russians who stood against the war in Iraq, Afghan, Iran, and Pakistan. It was also pravda who dare to break on the story on the Thermonuclear-induced "Asian Tsunami of 2004" and presented evidence against the 9/11 Official story.

Often we don't give russians enough due credit. It is true there are many good people who sacrificed their lives, and one of them are Russians.

Kudos! Keep up to good deeds!
 
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Forget the Google use..imhalal

I'mHalal

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Forget the Google use..imhalal

I'mHalal

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This has Japan, Phillipines, even Spain and France as local language interface, but no Chinese... why? There are lots of muslims in China too. UPDATE: I just tried changing the language to Arabic, etc and doesn't seem to work. Appears the implementation is completed yet.

Anyways, this is similar to the philosophy of PRC to filter out harmful content (not to "censor" free speech, however you interpret that) since (trust me) smart and innovative Chinese ALWAYS find a way around these filters. But it does reduce the harmful content.

Anyways, here's the About section:

About I'm Halal

The last few years Muslims have become very active on the Internet. The lack of tools for Muslims to be able to continue their online activities responsibly has inspired ImHalal.com to enter the search engine market. Our goal is to become the number one homepage in all Muslim households. Our main product will always remain search but we got ambitious plans to expand our product line by adding Islamic widgets to our homepage in the near future.

ImHalal.com is a search engine designed for Muslims to be able to continue their online activities in a safe and clean environment. Using ImHalal.com will prevent you from "accidentally" bumping into explicit content.

At ImHalal.com we care about our users and therefore our users feedback, suggestions and ideas mean a lot to us. If you would like to help us improving our service please contact us at: feedback@imhalal.com

I'm glad Muslims finally have their own search engine. I wonder if they have their own web crawlers, indexers and database? Because if its just a meta-search engine (which depends on another search engine) then it's not very useful. :pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:
 
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Forget the Google use..imhalal

I'mHalal

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I just tried it. It's a good solid idea, but the implementation is still clunky and results are slow. On further inspection, it appears that this website is hosted by a third party. The filters seems good, appearing to filter out by key words. The search description needs a little more info.

For it to be truly useful, Imhalal needs to have it's own dedicated server (located in a neutral or trust location) with its own software. I know progress takes time. :agree:

Keep up the good work! :tup:
 
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Despite the connection with US government/CIA, I never knew about this. I removed search engine Google on homepage to replace with Bing or future Pakistan search engine (anyone know?) IamHalal.com need to be more improvements.

THANK you for making me open my eyes ...:cheers:

(Is Russia using google search engine?)

Yes, Russians have their own search:

www.yandex.com/

Chinese have:

www.baidu.com/

Koreans have their own search:

www.naver.com/

The Japanese, being advanced in many areas, unfortunately are weak in consumer software. They have livedoor, but many use Yahoo.

www.livedoor.com/

The reason a search engine is essential is because it is a ALLOWS you to FIND and ORGANIZE and FILTER the vast amounts of info online. If you rely on an untrustworthy source for this essential service, then you are at their mercy.

Pakistanis should go to I'mHalal and contact the webmaster. Volunteer to help (especially in the Urdu search localization) and make it even better! :pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:

And now muslims have:
www.imhalal.com
 
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Despite the connection with US government/CIA, I never knew about this. I removed search engine Google on homepage to replace with Bing or future Pakistan search engine (anyone know?) IamHalal.com need to be more improvements.

THANK you for making me open my eyes ...:cheers:

(Is Russia using google search engine?)
I shook hands and even had a few drinks with a CIA officer once. Guess I can claim to be CIA secret agent man. :lol:
 
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Google's Deep CIA Connections

14.01.2010 Source: Pravda.Ru URL: Google's Deep CIA Connections - Pravda.Ru

By Eric Sommer

The western media is currently full of articles on Google's 'threat to quit China' over internet censorship issues, and the company's 'suspicion' that the Chinese government was behind attempts to 'break-in' to several Google email accounts used by 'Chinese dissidents'.

However, the media has almost completely failed to report that Google's surface concern over 'human rights' in China is belied by its their deep involvement with some of the worst human rights abuses on the planet:

Google is, in fact, is a key participant in U.S. military and CIA intelligence operations involving torture; subversion of foreign governments; illegal wars of aggression; and military occupations of countries which have never attacked the U.S. and which have cost hundreds of thousands of lives in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, and elsewhere.

To begin with, Google is the supplier of the core search technology for 'Intellipedia, a highly-secured online system where 37,000 U.S. spies and related personnel share information and collaborate on their devious errands.

Agencies such as the so-called 'National Security Agency' have also purchased servers using Google-supplied search technology which processes information gathered by U.S. spies operating all over the planet.

In addition, Google is linked to the U.S. spy and military systems through its Google Earth software venture. The technology behind this software was originally developed by Keyhole Inc., a company funded by Q-Tel In-Q-Tel , a venture capital firm which is in turn openly funded and operated on behalf of the CIA.

Google acquired Keyhole Inc. in 2004. The same base technology is currently employed by U.S. military and intelligence systems in their quest, in their own words, for "full-spectrum dominance" of the planet.

Moreover, Googles' connection with the CIA and its venture capital firm extends to sharing at least one key member of personnel. In 2004, the Director of Technology Assessment at In-Q-Tel, Rob Painter, moved from his old job directly serving the CIA to become 'Senior Federal Manager' at Google.

As Robert Steele, a former CIA case officer has put it: Google is "in bed with" the CIA.

Googles Friends spy on millions of Internet Users

Given Google's supposed concern with 'break-in's to several of its email accounts, it's worth noting that Google's friends at In-Q-Tel, the investment arm of the CIA, are now investing in Visible Technologies, a software firm specialized in 'monitoring social media'.

The 'Visible' technology can automatically examine more than a million discussions and posts on blogs, online forums, Flickr, YouTube, Twitter, Amazon, and so forth each day. The technology also 'scores' each online item, assigning it a positive, negative or mixed or neutral status, based on parameters and terms set by the technology operators. The information, thus boiled down, can then be more effectively scanned and read by human operators.

The CIA venture capitalists at In-Q-Tel say they will use the technology to monitor social media operating in other countries and give U.S. spies “early-warning detection on how issues are playing internationally,” according to spokesperson Donald Tighe. There is every possibility that the technology can also be used by the U.S. intelligence operatives to spy on domestic social movements and individuals inside the U.S.

Finally, there is a curious absence from the statements emanating from Google - and from U.S. media reports - of any substantive evidence linking the Chinese government with the alleged break-in attempts to several Google email accounts.

Words like 'sophisticated' and 'suspicion' have appeared in the media to suggest that the Chinese government is responsible for the break-ins. That may be so. But it is striking that the media has seemingly asked no questions as to what the evidence behind the 'suspicions' might be

It should be noted that the U.S. government and its intelligence agencies have a long history of rogue operations intended to discredit governments or social movements with whom they happen to disagree. To see how far this can go, one need only recall the sordid history of disinformation, lies, and deceit propagated by U.S. government and media to frighten people into supporting the Iraq war.

Whether the attacks on Google email originated from the Chinese government, or from elsewhere, one thing is clear: A company that supplies the CIA with key intelligence technology; supplies mapping software which can be used for barbarous wars of aggression and drone attacks which kill huge numbers of innocent civilians; and which in general is deeply intertwined with the CIA and the U.S. military machines, which spy on millions, the company cannot be motivated by real concern for the human rights and lives of the people in China.

Eric Sommer
China

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Related link: Google's Deep CIA Connections - Pravda.Ru

Google is really a hypocrite.
Other countries censor content, and not just rogue regimes such as the Iranian mullocracy. Web sites are blocked throughout the Persian Gulf and North Africa based on objectionable content and this hasn't created much of a furor. Other countries also engage in cyber espionage, especially Israel and of course the United States Government itself with the largest group of hackers in the world employed by the National Security Agency.

Why is google only hostile against China, but do such "censor" things in other countries?
Google is a hypocrite company that insult China to gain its own moral fame, since it's an "American" company and has a strong connection with CIA.

China is a sovereign country. Google has no right to break Chinese law.
Google should not spread pornographic and subversive information in China.

Google, you are not welcomed in China, please get out ASAP!

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Google Users in China Fear Losing Important Tool

Published: January 16, 2010

BEIJING — At the elite Tsinghua University here, some students were joking Friday that they had better download all the Internet information they wanted now in case Google left the country.

But to many of the young, well-educated Chinese who are Google’s loyal users here, the company’s threat to leave is in fact no laughing matter. Interviews in Beijing’s downtown and university district indicated that many viewed the possible loss of Google’s maps, translation service, sketching software, access to scholarly papers and search function with real distress.

“How am I going to live without Google?” asked Wang Yuanyuan, a 29-year-old businessman, as he left a convenience store in Beijing’s business district.

China’s Communist rulers have long tried to balance their desire for a thriving Internet and the economic growth it promotes with their demands for political control. The alarm over Google among Beijing’s younger, better educated and more Internet savvy citizens — China’s future elite — shows how wobbly that balancing act can be.

By publicly challenging China’s censorship, Google has stirred up the debate over the government’s claim that constraints on free speech are crucial to political stability and the prosperity that has accompanied it. Even if it is unlikely to pose any immediate threat to the Communist Party, Google’s move has clearly discomfited the government, Chinese analysts say.

“The average age of Chinese netizens is still very young,” said Hu Yong, a journalism professor at Peking University. “This is a matter of the future and whether the government’s Internet policy wants to fight with the future.

“If this process goes on, more and more people are going to realize that their freedom of information is being infringed upon, and this could bring changes down the line.”

Google may rank a distant second to the Baidu search engine, but its estimated 80 million users are comparatively better educated and wealthier. Surveys show that roughly two-thirds are college educated. A Beijing technology consultant, Kaiser Kuo, describes them as “a potentially very noisy constituency.”

An Internet expert who insisted on anonymity for fear of repercussions from the government said: “They have bought into the bargain of get rich, have a good job, life gets better, just don’t mess with the Communist Party.”

If Google leaves, he said, “they may start asking, ‘What’s wrong with my country that it doesn’t let me do this?’ ”

“It is not like they are going to take to the streets,” he added. “But it further erodes the legitimacy of what the Communist Party is doing. This is a group the party doesn’t want to lose any more than it already has.”

On the other hand, the Chinese government managed to cut off nearly all Internet access to an entire region of 19 million people for half a year without encountering any significant political resistance. The blackout, imposed in the western Xinjiang region after deadly riots in July, is only now being gingerly lifted.

Other Internet users argue that Google must respect the Chinese government’s policies if it wants to do business here.

“I think government control of this is quite reasonable,” said Liu Qiang, 29, a Tsinghua University mechanical engineer graduate student. “Our party needs to stabilize its governance.”

Some predict that any inconvenience caused by Google’s exit will be short-lived. “The Internet is really big,” said Wang Quiya, a 27-year-old worker in Beijing’s financial district. “Something will take its place, right?”

The government’s recent efforts to tighten Internet controls have already cost some Chinese some pleasures. In the name of rooting out pornography and piracy, Chinese authorities have shut down hundreds of Web sites offering films, music downloads, video games and other forms of entertainment since November.

Li An, a Tsinghua University senior, said she used to download episodes of “Desperate Housewives” and “Grey’s Anatomy” from sites run by BT China that are now closed. “I love American television series!” she said with frustration during a pause from studying Japanese at a university fast-food restaurant on Friday.

The loss of Google would hit her much harder, she said, because she relies on Google Scholar to download academic papers for her classes in polymer science. “For me, this is terrible,” Ms. Li said.

Some students contend that even after Google pulls out, Internet space will continue to shrink. Until now, Google has shielded Baidu by manning the front line in the censorship battle, said a 20-year-old computer science major at Tsinghua.

“Without Google, Baidu will be very easy to manipulate,” he said. “I don’t want to see this trend.”

A 21-year old civil engineering student predicted a strong reaction against the government. “If Google really leaves, people will feel the government has gone too far,” he insisted over lunch in the university cafe.

But asked whether that reaction would influence the government to soften its policies, he concentrated on his French fries. “I really don’t know,” he said.

Xiyun Yang, Li Bibo and Nancy Zhao contributed research.

Source : Google Users in China Fear Losing Important Tool - NYTimes.com

It's only a western propaganda against China! Most Chinese even will lay down our lives for our lovely country, why will we be afraid to lose a search engine?

Google, if you continue to spread subversive and pornographic information, get out of China ASAP!

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So what happens when the CIA-Google Spy Network gets hacked in by another spy? They go ballistic and make all sorts of threats. Read below for one 'Westerner's' point of view on this who debacle.

If you wanted to hack into a popular web service and collect data on its users what would be the best strategy?

You could secretly spread millins of infected links around the Internet that download spyware and then silently collect that data and analyze it.

That’s the hard way. Easier: Hack into a system that is already collecting that user data.

That’s what the Chinese hackers did to Google. They managed to get into its ‘internal intercept’ system, this is its internal spying system that automatically collects data on its users so that it can rapidly comply with the many search warrants it receives. When Google found out about the hack it went ballistic.

Here is IDG reporter Robert McMillan with a report:

…they [hackers] apparently were able to access a system used to help Google comply with search warrants by providing data on Google users, said a source familiar with the situation, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak with the press. “Right before Christmas, it was, ‘Holy s***, this malware is accessing the internal intercept [systems],’” he said.

Google co-founder Larry Page called an emergency meeting on Christmas Eve to assess the situation and decided that Google could walk away from China because of what happened.

Google was pissed that the Chinese hackers hacked into its internal spying system. Those hackers were trying to get data on ALL Google users, not just Chinese human rights activists.

Google exposed all of its users precisely because it had an internal spying system.

One of my readers, Kimo Crossman, pointed out that “wiretapping systems increase attack vectors.”

This is very true. Wiretapping systems increase security risks because the target is perfect — wiretap the wiretapper. That’s the honeypot. Why buzz around collecting all that data when someone else has done it for you?

Google’s ‘internal intercept’ system increased the risk of Google user data being pirated. If it didn’t exist it would be very hard for outsiders to collect it.

The irony that wiretapping systems increase security risk is interesting, and it makes perfect sense. But why is Google invoking ‘human rights’ as a pretext for possibly leaving China when it was embarrassed by its internal spying system being compromised . . . by other spies?

GOOG v China highlights security risks in wiretapping systems | Tom Foremski: IMHO | ZDNet.com

WARNING: Pak.def is also collects data for Google by way of Double-click and Google-ads and Google-analytics. I knew of this before, was going to warn the Admins of the danger of Google-analytics, Google-ads and Doubleclick. But we are doing nothing wrong and have nothing to hide.
 
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@Sinoindus friendship

Bro its just a beta version and it has a feed back form , you can give your feedback to them .

I think it i will get better and it will appear in Chinese too i think , its not even in urdu as yet...so lets wait!
 
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Progress in copyright talks with Google Source: Global Times [02:26 December 28 2009] Comments By Zhang Lei

Representatives of the Chinese Written Works Copyright Society (CWWCS) said talks with Google about copyright issues are progressing well.

During the third round of talks on Friday, Google handed over a list of more than 80,000 Chinese books that were scanned for its Digital Library.

However, Zhang Hongbo, deputy director-general of CWWCS didn't think the number was accurate.

"It must be higher as books published before 1987 were not included and many of their copyrights have not expired," he told the Global Times.

Google is expected to obtain authorization from CWWCS to use books published in China after further talks.

Erik Hartmann, the Asia- Pacific head of Google Books, will move to Beijing from Singapore as a permanent representative.

Zhang said he's working to win fair rights not just for the society's 2,000 members but to raise the awareness against copyright infringements.

"First we want Google to admit their mistake and apologize, then we can talk about compensation," Zhang said.

"At the same time, we don't want Google to give up China in its digital library project."

The issue divided Google. Some insisted that they didn't violate writers' rights, some showed understanding for the writers' complaints.

Google did not violate copyrights as it only put abstracts of Chinese books online instead of full texts, and they didn't use them for profit, Hartmann told the Xinhua News Agency earlier.

However, Zhang said it was against the law once Google scanned the books and disseminated them.

CWWCS asked Google to offer a list of books it scanned in the second round held on November 20, which it refused in the first talk on November 2.

The fourth round of negotiations will start in January.

Google offered in October that they pay $60 for each scanned book as compensation and 63 percent of income from online reading in the US for further use, which many Chinese writers refused.
 
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G-fans VS B-fans in China
Comment: Google is simply not successful in China
BEIJING, Jan. 15 -- The following is an excerpt from a comment posted by an Internet user named Gaoren on cnhubei.com based in Hubei province.

In an unusually high-profile move, Google publicly announced that it may quit China – sparking a wave of reaction around the world.

"We have decided we are no longer willing to continue censoring our results on Google.cn ... We recognize that this may well mean having to shut down Google.cn, and potentially our offices in China," David Drummond, Google's chief legal officer, said in a statement posted on the company's official blog.

The statement, entitled "A new approach to China", claims that the company had detected a highly sophisticated and targeted attack from China that resulted in the theft of the company's intellectual property.

The news echoed around the world and the western media immediately seized the opportunity to attack China's censorship and heaped praise on Google, which is not surprising, as indicated by their previous records. But the question remains: Does Google’s threat to pull out really result from what the company and the Western media have claimed, namely, China's censorship?

To begin with, Google has always placed great importance on China. Google would be condemned if it ignored the Chinese market, which has almost 400 million Internet users and is still rimmed with huge potential. The fact that Google risked lawsuits in 2005 to prize Kai-fu Lee from Microsoft is the best evidence. It is no coincidence that Google.cn was launched shortly after Kai-fu Lee's arrival.

The problem is Google.cn simply cannot compete with its main domestic rival, Baidu.com. A report from China Internet Network Information Center (CNNIC) shows that as of September 2009 Baidu.com's market share in China stood at 77.2 percent, far stripping Google.cn's 12.7 percent. In fact, the majority of Google's users in China choose Google.com as their first choice.

After nearly five years' pushing for the brand of Google.cn and after investing heavily in Google.cn, their efforts in the Chinese market are simply not successful, to say the least. Kai-fu Lee's abrupt departure from Google in September 2009 wasn't helpful, either. To answer for its investors and for shareholders to understand a not so favorable environment of global economy, Google's decision to pull out of China comes as no surprise.

Indeed, Google is not the first or only one Western Internet firm that fared miserably in China's Internet market. The online auction and shopping website E-bay's defeat against the domestic Taobao.com, Alibaba's acquisition of Yahoo China, and QQ.com's dominance in China's instant messaging market, to name just a few, seem to have already foretold Google.cn's fate.

China's censorship, as a matter of fact, is just Google's management's ingenious excuse to flee the Chinese market in which they failed their investors and shareholders. For one thing, Google entered the China market after censorship was instituted, not vice versa. If anything, China has been loosing its censorship since Google's entry. The best proof is perhaps the free debate over the installation of the filtering software Green Dam, in which the Chinese government finally budged.

A number of notable "mass incidents" are also freely discussed on the Internet - the mass protest over the death of a girl in Weng'an county in Guizhou province, the mass protest over the death of a chef in Hubei province, and the waitress who resisted sexual advance by killing a local official, not to mention quite a few corruption cases that have been brought to the spotlight through the Internet.

Many claim, most likely with ulterior motives, that the shutdown of Google.cn will leave Chinese netizens isolated from the outside world. That is, simply, untrue. The closure of Google.cn has little, if any, effect on the Chinese users, as Google.com, its global website, is the primary channel they access to search for information. Unfortunately, Google didn't even bother to explain that.

Google's motivation was clear and simple: to earn its share of this huge market. When the company cannot attain the goal and pocket enough money and hopes to find a way out, the Chinese government and its censorship, which the West frequently picks up, just become two convenient scapegoats.
 
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Microsoft, HP fail to back Google's China move: FT


English_Xinhua 2010-01-15 19:08:43 Print

BEIJING, Jan. 15 -- Google's threat to withdraw from China failed to win support from other top industry executives who said that their enthusiasm for the country was undimmed.

Google announced on Tuesday that it would no longer filter search results in China and said it may be forced to pull out of the world's largest online market of 360 million users.

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However, Steve Ballmer, chief executive officer of Microsoft, described the affair as "the Google problem" and said: "Every large institution is being hacked. I don't think it's a fundamental change in the security environment on the internet."

He refused to comment on whether Microsoft would now stop censoring results on its Bing search service in China, but said that the software company saw a big business opportunity in China.

Mark Hurd, CEO of Hewlett-Packard, described China as "an amazing market with tremendous growth". Strong demand from Chinese customers was one of the main supports for the US tech industry last year.

Both executives also played down any wider threat to internet security from what Google had described as a "highly sophisticated and targeted attack" that had been aimed at more than 20 other companies. "I'd hate to run off on this one example and say it's a threat to the evolution of the IT industry," Mr Hurd said.

China's Foreign Ministry spokesperson said Thursday that China's Internet is open and welcomes international companies.
Microsoft, HP fail to back Google's China move: FT_English_Xinhua
 
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