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Ok I am gonna revive this thread as my deadline is coming closer and not a soul has contributed a dot 
1stly, lets go over with what I want: I have chosen to narrow my search in these areas: Medical, Educational or Agricultural ..I will choose one in the end
Next lets define what I want: A service club or service organization is a voluntary non-profit organization where members meet regularly to perform charitable works either by direct hands-on efforts or by raising money for other organizations.
Now I have googled repeatedly different key words and this is the best info I got:
HISTORY OF EXTENSION AND THE ENABLING/DISABLING ENVIRONMENT
During 1960s and 1970s, Pakistan’s extension services played a distinct role along with research and other stakeholders in bringing about the Green Revolution. During 1970’s the country’s extension services significantly benefited from major projects funded by the World Bank when the Training & Visit system of extension was being promoted.
Although agricultural extension in Pakistan has been public from the start, yet it has never been a federal government’s responsibility. Until the start of devolution process in 2001, the main agricultural extension department, headed by a Director-General, was located at provincial level in all five provinces. Although the provincial extension offices have not been disbanded, the extension responsibilities have been shifted to district level administration. Now each district has an extension directorate, which is a part of provincial department of agriculture. Local Government is now actively involved in agricultural activities including extension.
According to a recent survey conducted by FAO, Pakistan’s investment in agricultural extension during the year 2009 was US$ 86,923,170, and the extension agent to active rural population ratio was 1: 6,881. Agricultural extension services in Pakistan, which were already criticized for their less than satisfactory performance, have suffered under devolution. The devolution-related problems for agricultural extension in Pakistan include confusion about new role of extension, abundance of bureaucratic paperwork, burden of non-extension tasks, isolation from provincial extension office, and enhanced political interference. In addition, several administrative levels simply create more red tape delaying decision making. The role of provincial vis-à-vis district extension offices needs to be re-defined as the provincial offices feel disconnected from the field.
Extension services in Pakistan remain traditional, using old extension methods and top-down and technology-driven approaches. Linkages with research and agricultural academic institutions are minimal at best. There is hardly any female field extension staff. The organization suffers from a lack of in-service training, mobility means, scant career development opportunities, and grossly inadequate operational funds. Gender-sensitivity is non-existent in terms of extension access by rural women.
In spite of a plethora of research stations, contacts between research and extension remain scant. The private sector has been very active for years in the sale of various farm inputs like seed, fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, farm machinery, etc. However, sometimes, the prices are too high for small farmers. Pakistan has both rain-fed and irrigated areas. Improved technology for rain-fed areas is not adequate. It is not easy for small farmers to get credit in some parts of the country due to collateral requirements. Although the majority of farmers are subsistence, with small holdings, there is sizeable number of commercial farmers who run their large farms like business.
Huge floods of 2010 and 2011 devastated the rural life by killing people and livestock, and by destroying villages and standing crops on thousands of acres, and rehabilitation has not yet been done fully in several areas. In recent years, there have been persistent security concerns in the northern part of the country and it is not safe to do extension fieldwork with relaxed mind in certain areas. Frequent power shutdowns and sometimes disruptions in the transport system present problems in working at offices and in undertaking inter-province travel.
Several UN agencies, especially FAO, have been very active in Pakistan with several projects in agricultural and rural development. Presently, FAO is executing a European funded Food Facility Project. IFAD has recently had major project on community development and rural poverty. Bilateral donors such as SIDA, DANIDA, SDC, etc. are also active. The main areas of projects are food security, livestock, dairy, and rural poverty.
From agricultural extension point of view, however, the World Bank, FAO and USAID participated in a Round Table on Agriculture and Water held in Islamabad in March 2011. The purpose of the event was to discuss the implementation of the latest national development plan. The meeting was organized by Pakistan’s Planning Commission in collaboration with the World Bank and the Embassy of The Netherland. One of the products of donors’ participation was a discussion paper on transforming agricultural research and extension in Pakistan, jointly prepared by the World Bank and FAO.
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All this sounds lovely (on the net) but PARC is some shitty organization which cant hold itself and has not many who can think on certain levels...Most of the people just come to work to get their paycheck!
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They are more laborers than technical persons, and help the FA in daily agricultural activities.
Pakistan Agricultural Research Council (PARC) http://www.parc.gov.pk
Although PARC is essentially apex agricultural research body, it has a social sciences wing, which is engaged in policy level activities in marketing and extension. Statutory functions of PARC are to aid, promote and coordinate agricultural research, expedite utilization of research results, establish research facilities, train high-level scientific human resources, generate, acquire and disseminate agricultural information, and establish a research library. The PARC sets national agricultural research agenda, maintains national and international coordination and conducts in-house strategic research on national issues. Pakistan’s national agricultural research system (NARS) consists of 20 federal research establishments for basic and applied research, 10 provincial research institutes for applied research, 14 agricultural universities and colleges for basic research, and private agro-industry research organizations for applied research on pesticides, fertilizers, seed and machinery, and it is PARC which provides strategic thinking and orientation to the entire NARS.
Public universities
Just like agricultural research, Pakistan has a vast network of universities. Main agricultural universities are the following:
http://www.sygenta.com/global
Pakistan has hundreds of NGOs, both national and international. A comprehensive list of the NGOs may be seen on the website http://www.urdusky.com. A few examples of NGOs in Pakistan are as follows:
http://www.padfapak.org
TRAINING OPTIONS FOR EXTENSION PROFESSIONALS
Pre-service education of would-be extension professionals takes place at the agricultural universities located at Faisalabad, Peshawar, Rawalpindi, and Tandojam (mentioned in a previous section) which offer academic degrees in a number of agricultural disciplines including extension. These universities also offer short training courses on regular basis.
For the purpose of in-service training, the following institutes are used by agricultural staff:
Pakistan - public
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Lets now jump into Education sector... @Pakistanisage uncle I heard you could help me
Background
Youth Engagement Services (YES) Network Pakistan owes its origin to the dissatisfaction of one young man from the typical, run of the mill, type of programs developed and executed for the youth of the Pakistan. Based on the principle of pouring desire into young people rather than bringing it out from within them, these programs have little if any impact on the hearts & minds of the country’s youth. Consequently, their chances of improving the lives of these young people in any way what so ever are minimal if not non-existent.
Conscious of the same this young man, known to all as Ali Raza Khan, decided to launch a youth-led development movement in the country, with the goal to provide an opportunity to all young people to explore their entrepreneurial potential, help young people arise out of anonymity; make them feel special; help them re-establish a new profile in their community; and promote them as the most promising resource available to meet their personal and societal needs.
“I know that once I have created a desire among youth, they would be able to take care of themselves, their communities, and their families.” “Desire is such an important thing in life. If you don’t have desire, you will never be able to succeed in anything.” Ali Raza Khan
This decision led to the establishment and subsequent registration of Youth Engagement Services (YES) Network Pakistan as a nonprofit organization under the Societies Registration Act 1860 in November, 2002.
Based on the principle of ‘Youth Engagement’ where all young people, including troubled and prepared, are provided structured opportunities to use their time, intelligence, talents, skills and abilities for making a significant contribution in their lives and the lives of others, YES introduces and promotes Youth Service & Youth Social Entrepreneurship Programs for in-school & out-of-school young people. YES works both directly and indirectly with young people. Directly, it facilitates thousands of children and young people to begin their entrepreneurial journey each year through its projects by offering a comprehensive package to youth; from inspiration to experimentation; to training and funding, showcasing and practical support whereas, indirectly it trains and engages stakeholders such as principals, senior teachers, NGOs representatives in developing and implementing youth-led service projects. By doing so it both develops new youth engagement programs, and builds partnerships with public and private organizations for the institutionalization of youth engagement programs in the country.
It is a testament to this approach that till date YES has introduced the concept of Social Entrepreneurship in over 1200 technical institution of the country; integrated this concept into the curriculum of over 172 leading vocational and educational institution of Pakistan operating under Punjab Vocational Training Council; and is working with over 40 leading universities of the country to prepare young people as social entrepreneur through a variety of exciting and innovative projects.
It is therefore no wonder that the Network’s model of youth engagement is recognized as a profound idea with society-changing potential by Ashoka, Innovators for the Public, a global organization that pioneered in the field of social entrepreneurship. In addition to this, YES also stands affiliated with International Association for National Youth Service (IANYS) and Innovations in Civic Participation (ICP).
Vision
Youth as a Solution, not as a Problem.
Mission
Plant seeds of Youth Engagement in the country.
Values
Goals
Snapshot of YES
Date of Birth: 25th November, 2002
Vision: Youth as a solution
Challenge: YES believes that Pakistan is facing a serious youth disengagement epidemic and it is our biggest threat, biggest failure and biggest loss.
Mission: To plant seeds of Youth Engagement in the country.
Belief: We believe that young people are the greatest overlooked resource in the country to promote peace, prosperity and economic development.
Focus: All Youth (troubled, prepared, in the making, vulnerable, socially excluded and hard-to-reach youth).
Desire: A shift from “Youth Prevention” and “Youth Preparation” programs to “Youth Engagement” programs.
Geographical Coverage: YES Network Pakistan works in the four provinces, Gilgit-Baltistan, AJK and FATA.
Number and Statistics: 1200 Technical, Vocational, Educational and Training schools and colleges across Pakistan have been engaged. Over 200,000 youth across Pakistan have been trained over a period of five years. 175 Technical, vocational, Educational and Training Schools integrated the concept of Social Entrepreneurship into their curriculum. Engaged 1500 teams of young people in designing and implementing business ideas under a variety of competitions every year. 30 leading Universities have been engaged in creating social entrepreneurship opportunities for students.
Impact: YES Network Pakistan is one of the few non-profits to use independent, third-party evaluators to engage the impacts of its programs. Independent evaluators and partner organizations have conducted evaluations on YES Network Pakistan’s effectiveness. Findings prove that YES Network Pakistan has a positive impact in a number of critical areas. Summaries of the findings are also published online. YES Network Pakistan is certified by Pakistan Center for Philanthropy as a “Best Practice Institution”. YES Network Pakistan has won several local and international awards by the leading institutions of the world.
Three Tiers of Youth Engagement:
Youth Engagement Services (YES) Network Pakistan | Home
Youth Engagement Services (YES) NETWORK Pakistan
This one seems interesting ..
@Leader does your close knit group extend in this direction?
anyone?
@Jazzbot @ZYXW @Horus @Gufi @Rockstar @waz @WebMaster @Manticore @chauvunist @Emmie @Slav Defence @Secur anyone?
1stly, lets go over with what I want: I have chosen to narrow my search in these areas: Medical, Educational or Agricultural ..I will choose one in the end
Next lets define what I want: A service club or service organization is a voluntary non-profit organization where members meet regularly to perform charitable works either by direct hands-on efforts or by raising money for other organizations.
Now I have googled repeatedly different key words and this is the best info I got:
HISTORY OF EXTENSION AND THE ENABLING/DISABLING ENVIRONMENT
During 1960s and 1970s, Pakistan’s extension services played a distinct role along with research and other stakeholders in bringing about the Green Revolution. During 1970’s the country’s extension services significantly benefited from major projects funded by the World Bank when the Training & Visit system of extension was being promoted.
Although agricultural extension in Pakistan has been public from the start, yet it has never been a federal government’s responsibility. Until the start of devolution process in 2001, the main agricultural extension department, headed by a Director-General, was located at provincial level in all five provinces. Although the provincial extension offices have not been disbanded, the extension responsibilities have been shifted to district level administration. Now each district has an extension directorate, which is a part of provincial department of agriculture. Local Government is now actively involved in agricultural activities including extension.
According to a recent survey conducted by FAO, Pakistan’s investment in agricultural extension during the year 2009 was US$ 86,923,170, and the extension agent to active rural population ratio was 1: 6,881. Agricultural extension services in Pakistan, which were already criticized for their less than satisfactory performance, have suffered under devolution. The devolution-related problems for agricultural extension in Pakistan include confusion about new role of extension, abundance of bureaucratic paperwork, burden of non-extension tasks, isolation from provincial extension office, and enhanced political interference. In addition, several administrative levels simply create more red tape delaying decision making. The role of provincial vis-à-vis district extension offices needs to be re-defined as the provincial offices feel disconnected from the field.
Extension services in Pakistan remain traditional, using old extension methods and top-down and technology-driven approaches. Linkages with research and agricultural academic institutions are minimal at best. There is hardly any female field extension staff. The organization suffers from a lack of in-service training, mobility means, scant career development opportunities, and grossly inadequate operational funds. Gender-sensitivity is non-existent in terms of extension access by rural women.
In spite of a plethora of research stations, contacts between research and extension remain scant. The private sector has been very active for years in the sale of various farm inputs like seed, fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, farm machinery, etc. However, sometimes, the prices are too high for small farmers. Pakistan has both rain-fed and irrigated areas. Improved technology for rain-fed areas is not adequate. It is not easy for small farmers to get credit in some parts of the country due to collateral requirements. Although the majority of farmers are subsistence, with small holdings, there is sizeable number of commercial farmers who run their large farms like business.
Huge floods of 2010 and 2011 devastated the rural life by killing people and livestock, and by destroying villages and standing crops on thousands of acres, and rehabilitation has not yet been done fully in several areas. In recent years, there have been persistent security concerns in the northern part of the country and it is not safe to do extension fieldwork with relaxed mind in certain areas. Frequent power shutdowns and sometimes disruptions in the transport system present problems in working at offices and in undertaking inter-province travel.
Several UN agencies, especially FAO, have been very active in Pakistan with several projects in agricultural and rural development. Presently, FAO is executing a European funded Food Facility Project. IFAD has recently had major project on community development and rural poverty. Bilateral donors such as SIDA, DANIDA, SDC, etc. are also active. The main areas of projects are food security, livestock, dairy, and rural poverty.
From agricultural extension point of view, however, the World Bank, FAO and USAID participated in a Round Table on Agriculture and Water held in Islamabad in March 2011. The purpose of the event was to discuss the implementation of the latest national development plan. The meeting was organized by Pakistan’s Planning Commission in collaboration with the World Bank and the Embassy of The Netherland. One of the products of donors’ participation was a discussion paper on transforming agricultural research and extension in Pakistan, jointly prepared by the World Bank and FAO.
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All this sounds lovely (on the net) but PARC is some shitty organization which cant hold itself and has not many who can think on certain levels...Most of the people just come to work to get their paycheck!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
They are more laborers than technical persons, and help the FA in daily agricultural activities.
Pakistan Agricultural Research Council (PARC) http://www.parc.gov.pk
Although PARC is essentially apex agricultural research body, it has a social sciences wing, which is engaged in policy level activities in marketing and extension. Statutory functions of PARC are to aid, promote and coordinate agricultural research, expedite utilization of research results, establish research facilities, train high-level scientific human resources, generate, acquire and disseminate agricultural information, and establish a research library. The PARC sets national agricultural research agenda, maintains national and international coordination and conducts in-house strategic research on national issues. Pakistan’s national agricultural research system (NARS) consists of 20 federal research establishments for basic and applied research, 10 provincial research institutes for applied research, 14 agricultural universities and colleges for basic research, and private agro-industry research organizations for applied research on pesticides, fertilizers, seed and machinery, and it is PARC which provides strategic thinking and orientation to the entire NARS.
Public universities
Just like agricultural research, Pakistan has a vast network of universities. Main agricultural universities are the following:
- University of Agriculture, Faisalabad (in Punjab province), http://www.uaf.edu.pk
- Arid Agriculture University (also known as Barani University), Rawalpindi (Punjab province), PMAS-Arid Agriculture University Rawalpindi
- Sindh Agriculture University, Tandojam (Sindh province), Sindh Agriculture University, Tandojam
- Agricultural University, Peshawar (Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province), The University of Agriculture, Peshawar-Pakistan
http://www.sygenta.com/global
- Fauji Fertilizer Company, http://www.ffc.com.pk
- Lakson Tobacco Company, http://www.lakson.com.pk
- Pioneer Pakistan, Pioneer: Home
- METRO, http://www.metro.pk
- MACRO
- Nestle, http://www.nestle.pk
- Seed Association of Pakistan, http://www.sap.com
Pakistan has hundreds of NGOs, both national and international. A comprehensive list of the NGOs may be seen on the website http://www.urdusky.com. A few examples of NGOs in Pakistan are as follows:
- National Rural Support Program (NRSP), Islamabad http://www.nrsp.org.pk ; national NGO; Telephone: (92) 51-282 2319
- Rural Development Foundation, Islamabad http://www.rdf.org.pk ; national NGO; Telephone: (92) 51-225 1492
- CABI South Asia, Rawalpindi, http://www.cabi.org ; international NGO; Telephone in Pakistan: (92) 51-9290332
- Kashf Foundation, Lahore; http://www.kashf.org ; national NGO; Telephone: (92) 42-111 981 981
- Plan Pakistan, Islamabad; http://www.plan-international.org ; international NGO; Telephone in Pakistan: (92) 51-260 9435 41
http://www.padfapak.org
- Farmers Associates Pakistan, http://www.farmersassociates.com
- Livestock Farmers & Breeders Association, http://www.lfbapunjab.com
- Dairy Association of Pakistan, http://www.dairyforums.com
- Farmers Association of Pakistan
- Mango Growers Association Pakistan
- Poultry Farming Association
TRAINING OPTIONS FOR EXTENSION PROFESSIONALS
Pre-service education of would-be extension professionals takes place at the agricultural universities located at Faisalabad, Peshawar, Rawalpindi, and Tandojam (mentioned in a previous section) which offer academic degrees in a number of agricultural disciplines including extension. These universities also offer short training courses on regular basis.
For the purpose of in-service training, the following institutes are used by agricultural staff:
- In-service Agricultural Training Institute, Sargodha (Tel: 451-714 177)
- Barani Agricultural Training Institute, Dahgal, Rawalpindi (Tel: 51-557 2116)
- In-service Agricultural Training Institute, Rahim Yar Khan (Tel: 731-9230137)
- Pak-German Institute of Co-operative Agriculture, Multan (Tel: 61-377 339)
- Extension Services Management Academy (ESMA), Garhi Dopatta, Azad Jammu & Kashmir (Tel: 588-103 2596); http://www.esma.org.pk
Pakistan - public
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Lets now jump into Education sector... @Pakistanisage uncle I heard you could help me
Background
Youth Engagement Services (YES) Network Pakistan owes its origin to the dissatisfaction of one young man from the typical, run of the mill, type of programs developed and executed for the youth of the Pakistan. Based on the principle of pouring desire into young people rather than bringing it out from within them, these programs have little if any impact on the hearts & minds of the country’s youth. Consequently, their chances of improving the lives of these young people in any way what so ever are minimal if not non-existent.
Conscious of the same this young man, known to all as Ali Raza Khan, decided to launch a youth-led development movement in the country, with the goal to provide an opportunity to all young people to explore their entrepreneurial potential, help young people arise out of anonymity; make them feel special; help them re-establish a new profile in their community; and promote them as the most promising resource available to meet their personal and societal needs.
“I know that once I have created a desire among youth, they would be able to take care of themselves, their communities, and their families.” “Desire is such an important thing in life. If you don’t have desire, you will never be able to succeed in anything.” Ali Raza Khan
This decision led to the establishment and subsequent registration of Youth Engagement Services (YES) Network Pakistan as a nonprofit organization under the Societies Registration Act 1860 in November, 2002.
Based on the principle of ‘Youth Engagement’ where all young people, including troubled and prepared, are provided structured opportunities to use their time, intelligence, talents, skills and abilities for making a significant contribution in their lives and the lives of others, YES introduces and promotes Youth Service & Youth Social Entrepreneurship Programs for in-school & out-of-school young people. YES works both directly and indirectly with young people. Directly, it facilitates thousands of children and young people to begin their entrepreneurial journey each year through its projects by offering a comprehensive package to youth; from inspiration to experimentation; to training and funding, showcasing and practical support whereas, indirectly it trains and engages stakeholders such as principals, senior teachers, NGOs representatives in developing and implementing youth-led service projects. By doing so it both develops new youth engagement programs, and builds partnerships with public and private organizations for the institutionalization of youth engagement programs in the country.
It is a testament to this approach that till date YES has introduced the concept of Social Entrepreneurship in over 1200 technical institution of the country; integrated this concept into the curriculum of over 172 leading vocational and educational institution of Pakistan operating under Punjab Vocational Training Council; and is working with over 40 leading universities of the country to prepare young people as social entrepreneur through a variety of exciting and innovative projects.
It is therefore no wonder that the Network’s model of youth engagement is recognized as a profound idea with society-changing potential by Ashoka, Innovators for the Public, a global organization that pioneered in the field of social entrepreneurship. In addition to this, YES also stands affiliated with International Association for National Youth Service (IANYS) and Innovations in Civic Participation (ICP).
Vision
Youth as a Solution, not as a Problem.
Mission
Plant seeds of Youth Engagement in the country.
Values
- Leave no Youth Behind
- Gender Inclusive
- Youth-driven
- Rural Emphasis
- Youth as Nation Builders
Goals
- To sensitize, educate and facilitate public and private institutions to undertake organized approaches such as service learning, youth social entrepreneurship and youth service to mainstream youth into the development process of Pakistan by transferring information, technical knowledge and skills.
- To create innovative and supportive youth engagement programs to demonstrate the impact of youth-led development on youth and the society.
- To build a vibrant, well-resourced and credible institution that will be the national leader for the promotion of youth-led development in the country.
Snapshot of YES
Date of Birth: 25th November, 2002
Vision: Youth as a solution
Challenge: YES believes that Pakistan is facing a serious youth disengagement epidemic and it is our biggest threat, biggest failure and biggest loss.
Mission: To plant seeds of Youth Engagement in the country.
Belief: We believe that young people are the greatest overlooked resource in the country to promote peace, prosperity and economic development.
Focus: All Youth (troubled, prepared, in the making, vulnerable, socially excluded and hard-to-reach youth).
Desire: A shift from “Youth Prevention” and “Youth Preparation” programs to “Youth Engagement” programs.
Geographical Coverage: YES Network Pakistan works in the four provinces, Gilgit-Baltistan, AJK and FATA.
Number and Statistics: 1200 Technical, Vocational, Educational and Training schools and colleges across Pakistan have been engaged. Over 200,000 youth across Pakistan have been trained over a period of five years. 175 Technical, vocational, Educational and Training Schools integrated the concept of Social Entrepreneurship into their curriculum. Engaged 1500 teams of young people in designing and implementing business ideas under a variety of competitions every year. 30 leading Universities have been engaged in creating social entrepreneurship opportunities for students.
Impact: YES Network Pakistan is one of the few non-profits to use independent, third-party evaluators to engage the impacts of its programs. Independent evaluators and partner organizations have conducted evaluations on YES Network Pakistan’s effectiveness. Findings prove that YES Network Pakistan has a positive impact in a number of critical areas. Summaries of the findings are also published online. YES Network Pakistan is certified by Pakistan Center for Philanthropy as a “Best Practice Institution”. YES Network Pakistan has won several local and international awards by the leading institutions of the world.
Three Tiers of Youth Engagement:
Youth Engagement Services (YES) Network Pakistan | Home
Youth Engagement Services (YES) NETWORK Pakistan
This one seems interesting ..
@Leader does your close knit group extend in this direction?
anyone?
@Jazzbot @ZYXW @Horus @Gufi @Rockstar @waz @WebMaster @Manticore @chauvunist @Emmie @Slav Defence @Secur anyone?
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Can you please grant me sometime.I am currently doing three works at a time
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I need some form of research by the end of the month so I can submit the piece next month...Can you please grant me sometime.I am currently doing three works at a time
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Is she married ??
This is where the rape problem in india comes from....
See any random lady anywhere, first thing that comes to mind "Can I fu*k her ?" and they're not afraid to say it out loud and act on it....
No offense meant...
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Hadd hai! I have never asked for such a thing...this is the talent in pakistani youth...
I am asking now coz I dont know much about my home country and I dont have links...All the organizations I wrote to didnt reply so this is my other option
Now go leech onto some other thread and dont ruin my thread please!
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@Armstrong homework kerwa day yaar!!
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