Good Sense to prevail only after Modi: Aiyar

[unbiasedopinion]

Ex-president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf and Indian peace activist Mani Shankar Aiyar

I stopped reading after this....Peace Activist MANI SHANKAR AIYAR!!! Must be kidding... A peace activist does not mock anyone. He does not taunt anyone because of his profession. He does not make fun of new party (AAP) and dare them to even open an account.

Such a shame that pakistan is inviting such a boot licker of gandhi family.

 

[jamahir]

The first part is surely a joke right? I get that there are some pragmatic leaders even in the Congress and other parties but please tell me it was just you having fun when you brought up mani and raul... Surely it was in jest??

firstly, congress cannot be called progressive in the real sense and if india has tragedies like farmer suicides or "honor killings" in 2015, it is because the congress central governments primarily since 1947 who opposed socialism as a system that should apply across indian society at the neighborhood-level and personal level and remove india of its ills... yet, however blundering nehru might have been, he was a modernizer alright.

now, i have seen rahul's interview with arnab goswami and he wasn't articulate at all to say the least but he came across as a well-meaning young chap but within a wrong party... also, i don't think he minds being called "raul".

as for mani, he is a articulate and generally sensible man but again in the wrong party/movement, and he is among india's peace-making ambassadors and so must be respected... i am sure at the moment he too disagrees with many of congress's stances and maybe grudgingly admits to sense in various opinions of the other oppositions - aap and the communists.

That is how it is in the real world. We are not living in a utopian future where everybody is blessed with plenty. It's a cycle at the end of which socialism is possible, doing away with money and all.. But not right now.

a post-money communist humanity is certain for the near-future but socialism can be applied to india right now and preparation will be made at least by designing a ucc in the next four months.

 

[mpk1988]

firstly, congress cannot be called progressive in the real sense and if india has tragedies like farmer suicides or "honor killings" in 2015, it is because the congress central governments primarily since 1947 who opposed socialism as a system that should apply across indian society at the neighborhood-level and personal level and remove india of its ills... yet, however blundering might have been, he was a modernizer alright.

now, i have seen rahul's interview with arnab goswami and he wasn't articulate at all to say the least but he came across as a well-meaning young chap but within a wrong party... also, i don't think he minds being called "raul".

as for mani, he is a articulate and generally sensible man but again in the wrong party/movement, and he is among india's peace-making ambassadors and so must be respected... i am sure at the moment he too disagrees with many of congress's stances and maybe grudgingly admits to sense in various opinions of the other oppositions - aap and the communists.

a post-money communist humanity is certain for the near-future but socialism can be applied to india right now and preparation will be made at least by designing a ucc in the next four months.

I agree mostly except for the part about mani and raul. I would say that steps such as universal health care etc are moves in the right direction.

Now, coming to raul and mani.

Raul is simply dumb. He has no idea what it means to be a normal Indian. Lives/ has lived a sheltered life and never faced any shortage of resources etc. He is intellectually challenged (for lack of a better politically correct term). I only call him raul because I refuse to play into the deception their family has been using for decades and thus keeping India in their stranglehold. His foray into politics, his family's hold over the Congress, the use of the name Gandhi to fool poor illiterates in the remote villages et al. is the very definition of nepotism!!! You of all people should be rallying against nepotism man. Do I need to say more?

As far as Aiyer is concerned, let me say that being articulate has nothing to do with your intentions or what you do for humanity/your nation. I hope you're not blinded by that. An individual who has graduated from Cambridge and was a doon product is going to be all that you just said. Simply being a part of something (peace making ambassadors.. A black joke if I've ever heard one) isn't paramount to earning respect. Mani is an excellent example of the nehruvian elite class of the yesteryear's that have been holding India hostage with their eloquent speeches and lack of any action whatsoever. I have no qualms whatsoever with the liberal elite. It is only when they shun their responsibility and are content to remain cowardly and stagnant for the sake of reputation/credentials etc that it irks me to no end. Inaction here is akin to being a destructive force. I hope I've made my point clear to you.

 

[Levina]

mr. aiyar and mush talking is greatly better than modi hobnobbing with war criminals and genociders like obomba and merkel.

Merkel?
I thought she was one person who helped Syrians find a shelter.....atleast a few of them.

 

[jamahir]

Merkel?
I thought she was one person who helped Syrians find a shelter.....atleast a few of them.

syrians which her national military/intelligence/government ( as part of nato ) drove out of syria as part of conspiracy and under her chancellorship??

she attended the cia-arranged "friends of syria" conferences in 2012 and 2013... these conferences were essentially terrorist-support gatherings in which some ikhwaanis ( "muslim" brotherhood ) and qaeda people were being promoted as "government in exile" which was to replace the ba'athist government of bashar al-assad.

in mid-2013, the german military would have been part of the planned nato land/sea/air invasion of syria... merkel was chancellor then.

 

[Levina]

syrians which her national military/intelligence/government ( as part of nato ) drove out of syria as part of conspiracy and under her chancellorship??

Btw remember she also complained that CIA was snooping on her?
So she can not really be friends with them.

 

[jamahir]

Btw remember she also complained that CIA was snooping on her?

indeed she complained and german intelligence was talking about replacing computers with typewriters to prevent most of cia snooping.

well, we can see that as rivalry between allies and also i suspect the fear in usa establishment of germany getting back its old self-pride and cutting away from usa's influence... i will give as example that for the 2003 iraq invasion, the then german chancellor, gerhard schroder, was the primary opponent ( along with russia and then france government ) to the plans of bush and blair... perhaps cia ( and white house ) wish to prevent such a independent streak from taking over german government, either by coup ( maybe not possible in western europe ) or a arranged people's momentum in germany calling for merkel to resign... i just speak of possibilities.

So she can not really be friends with them.

with who??

 

[wiseone2]

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Ex-president Gen (retd) Pervez Musharraf and Indian peace activist Mani Shankar Aiyar exchange views at the book launch. PHOTO: AYESHA SALIM/EXPRESS

KARACHI: With Narendra Modi in power, Indian peace activist Mani Shankar Aiyar, who is also a former petroleum minister in India, has reasons to be pessimistic.

“I am looking forward to the Congress coming back and for good sense to prevail,” said Aiyar. He was speaking during the question-answer session at the launch of former foreign minister Khurshid Mahmud Kasuri’s new book ‘Neither a Hawk Nor a Dove’, on Monday.

He was, however, the only panellist who felt this way. Former president General (retd) Pervez Musharraf believed that peace talks will start eventually regardless of the fact that it is the Congress or the BJP in power. “We have dealt with both and, sooner or later, good sense will prevail with Modi,” he said.

Kasuri pointed out how crucial it is for India to seek peace with its neighbours, especially Pakistan, if it wishes to play the role of a global leader. “If Modi wishes to be successful, he needs to sit on the table with Pakistan,” he said.

Sudheendra Kulkarni, the head of the Observer Research Foundation in India, also chose to be optimistic. “Modi’s foreign policy has been in flip flops,” he said, hoping that it will flip in favour of peace talks eventually. Also in attendance was Indian foreign secretary Salman Haider.

Referring to the same success, Musharraf listed the four frameworks that India and Pakistan had nearly reached consensus on. Firstly, to graduate military presence in Kashmir, secondly, to ensure self-governance in the region, thirdly, to form an overseeing body for Kashmir and, lastly, to make the Line of Control irrelevant by opening out six routes for the movement of man and mankind.

“We were so close, yet far,” he said.

Kulkarni focused on the links that unite the two countries but also highlighted areas where India and Pakistan need to work. His views resonated with Musharraf who said the two sides need to be flexible.

When it comes to relations between India and Pakistan, you can either be a hawk or a dove. But trying to find space between the two were the panellists who agreed that dialogue should continue uninterrupted no matter what. “If we talk, [there is a chance] we may come to a conclusion. But if we don’t talk, I am certain that we may never reach a conclusion,” said Aiyar.

Message for Shiv Sena

In the presence of prominent diplomats and a former head of state, the man who received a standing ovation from the audience was Kulkarni, who recently made headlines after the Shiv Sena threw black oil paint on his face for inviting Kasuri to launch his book in Mumbai.

The audience requested Kulkarni to give a message to the party that claims to be the sole spokesperson for Hindu and Marathi rights. “I met Hindus at Swami Narayan temple [in Karachi] and I met Marathi-speaking people, and they all claimed to be proud Pakistanis,” he shared. “Shiv Sena needs to realise this.”

Published in The Express Tribune, November 3rd, 2015

Aiyar is entitled to his views. I fell off my chair when I read about him calling himself a peace activist. he is a sycophant of the highest order. people like him are a good reason why the Congress party is extinct.

"Kasuri pointed out how crucial it is for India to seek peace with its neighbours, especially Pakistan, if it wishes to play the role of a global leader. "

I keep hearing this from Pakistani leaders. India has the best economic performance since 1990. It is not like India-Pakistan have been friends since 1990. Statements of politicians and citizens aside India is not interested in global leadership. Indians are more interested in improving the lot of their citizens. It is more like Pakistani leaders want India to deal with them.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

umair, why are you always aggressive and anti-peace??

i find you talking more against indians than against the reactionaries in your own country.

im just realistic.

 

[jamahir]

im just realistic.

in what way??

it doesn't matter what some wrong people or many wrong people say or what the current governments/establishment say... their silly words should not affect you... what matters is your peace effort and you working with other progressive people.... boond boond se dariya banta hai.

for example, you can join a progressive movement in pakistan and see a different side of things.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

in what way??

it doesn't matter what some wrong people or many wrong people say or what the current governments/establishment say... their silly words should not affect you... what matters is your peace effort and you working with other progressive people.... boond boond se dariya banta hai.

for example, you can join a progressive movement in pakistan and see a different side of things.

u would be surprised but my say doesnt usually involve governments or their statements.
And i dont believe in any silly ''peace talk'' or whatever.

Being from west of Indus (ancestry wise) i believe in the philosophy of Mahmood Ghauri and Taimur Lung.

I dont believe in any Gandhism.