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Good Job Modi You have Awaken The Sleeping Giant

Why do they have to?

I just feel while you were growing up, you did not receive the love you deserved, that is why you generally spew a lot of hate




Because indians are not hate filled are they?.........:lol:

They cannot prove themselves to be citizens of their own country and you are asking help from them? I thought you belonged to the race that beats opponents 7 times bigger. Why do you need help from them?





Cannot prove themselves to be indians yet hate Pakistan and Pakistanis even more than indian hindus and sikhs do..........:disagree:.......intelligent aren't they?........:disagree:
 
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Cannot prove themselves to be indians yet hate Pakistan and Pakistanis even more than indian hindus and sikhs do..........:disagree:.......intelligent aren't they?........:disagree:

Or forced? Don't you see the videos of them being lynched for not saying Jai Sri Ram?

Would you have preferred if ALL of them had migrated to Pakistan? Then you would be at the front lines saying how genetically you are different from them and that they should be sent back to India.
 
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After going through the thread i did find some dissenting voices. Some friends dont even like the idea of Muslim brotherhood,especially with the Indian Muslims. One should not forget in the 1946 elections their forefathers overwhelmingly supported the creation of a separate Muslim Homeland. All India Muslim League won 87% of the entire Muslim vote in the Indian Sub Continent. Yes we forgot them afterwards,they had to live with the Hindus, but now the sands of time are again shifting.India is an artificial and fragmented country. The narrow mindness of the dominant group has shown its true colours,the fault lines have raptured and its time to open our arms.
 
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Its sad that forefathers of Indian Muslims rejected this great man. Now again they are at history's crossroads. Indian Muslims are living inside an occupied territory, they need another freedom struggle, Hindus tell them day & night, to leave India & go to Pakistan, but its time for a new Pakistan inside Indian territory. Indian Muslims need to decide.

Freedom should mean freedom, both, from British exploitation & Hindu domination... Muslims will never agree, merely to a change of masters." - Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

 
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Muslims on a rampage today,the fire is spreading in every corner of India.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/world/asia/india-citizenship-protests.html

Its sad that forefathers of Indian Muslims rejected this great man.
In the 1946 elections their forefathers overwhelmingly supported the creation of a separate Muslim Homeland. All India Muslim League won 87% of the entire Muslim vote in the Indian Sub Continent.
Overall Muslim League Performance


Province Muslim Seats Muslim League % Of Muslim Seats won by Muslim League
Assam 34 31 91%
Bengal 119 113 95%
Bihar 40 34 85%
Bombay 30 30 100%
Central Provinces 14 13 93%
Madras 29 29 100%
North West Frontier Province 36 17 47%
Orissa 4 4 100%
Punjab 86 74 86%
Sind 34 28 82%
United Provinces 66 54 82%
Total 492 429 87%
 
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Sir, right now at work, so will write in detail. I don't know about others, but my upbringing is very different. I keep Muslims first before the state. Yes at times, I get angry on Afghans and Indian Muslims, but my heart beats for Muslims first. Pakistan is secondary to me.. Islam and Muslims are first.

Pakistan came into being on the two nation theory and that's why my ancestors supported its creation. I don't know what or how other sons of soil, the native Pakistanis think, for them a piece of land is more important than the concept that was the foundation of snatching that land. If they want, unki land unn ko Mubarak.. maybe they are right and they will be sent directly to jannah for considering country over ummah.

And I accept that in the last two years, I probably wrote bad comments about Afghans and Indian Muslims. I generalized all of them based on the actions of few. I ask forgiveness of my Lord for my ignorance. I wasn't like that before joining this forum. I think it's time for me to go back to my old self.

Many people link ummah's concept with profit and loss. They always question what will they get if they help the brothers in need. For them, if the other Muslims do not help us, we shouldn't help them too. They say the Lord is one but expect benefit from worldly figures. Maybe this is how they have been brought up. Maybe calling other Muslims black, small, coward or whatever, was taught to them. I am not in their league.

It's quite possible that I am wrong. But for now, I just want to become my old self. I can't see fellow Muslims, whether they are in India, Myanmar, China etc suffer. My heart aches for them even if they hate me.. I can't hate a Muslim, ever.

All I can say is that I am an Islam lover as well. Love Prophet Muhammad SAW so much that the words cannot describe it.

The thing is this, despite your love, bias, liking etc. you have to keep your thinking, comments and judgements clear, without clouding it for any given preferences or inklings.

In case of Afghans, they are heavily under the influence of the Indian propaganda. Their last two generations born and grown up under NDS/RAW prescribed and spread propaganda. Due to it, they have lost their ability to analyse the incidents, political and geopolitical issues with clear minds. As a result, they heavily criticise Pakistan and held her responsible for all the ills suffered by the Afghans.

The Indian Muslims on the other hand are given the lollipops of "terrorist" and "poor" Pakistan. Even though most of them have never visited Pakistan. They think exactly like a "hardened, racist Hindu" thinks about Pakistan.
In such circumstances, for you to put them first just because they are Muslims is naive to say the least.

I have written on this forum that I work closely with the Indians in London. Two of them few months back were vehemently narrating the same mantras we have read here and in many other places for years, i.e. "poor and terrorist" Pakistan.

Another one, who was a little saner recently got married to a Pakistani girl , who is his first cousin. He had been to Karachi after marriage. He said he was shocked to see how freely Pakistanis live. He said that we never has such freedoms like you guys have in Pakistan. He said being Muslims we always have to look over our shoulders and scared of consequences of any wrong step.
He also got rid of the fake illusions of "Poor" Pakistan. He said generally Pakistanis standard of living is way above the Indians.

All I am saying is that it is well and good to love Islam and Muslims but use your judgement in any given situation and circumstances. Blanket liking or support of anything, group etc. is filled with dangers.
 
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The true problem will start when the Hindu related parties will counter-protest... That will be the turning point of whatever India will fall into chaos/violence or not...
 
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Pax Pakistana/Rules Pakistana
Love it. Time for proper new markers. Not opaque, amorphous 'Desi, Asian, Apna" etc.

we absorb and we turn everything into Pakistana
Bravo. The history of Indus is about syncretism and evolution. Each wave left print. Gandhara is example of synctrism between Greek, Buddhist and Zoroaster influences melding into high art.

I am still beached bottle nose...
Ehhh??????
 
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At the moment the Paramilitary forces are doing their job!!!
A state vs civilians is a controlled environment... Where one side believe to have the key to escale and de-escale a given situation... whatever they can do it or not is irrelevant.
BUT in a civilian vs civilian... the environment has no rule anymore... and no rules mean no restriction... it's gonna be at the level of each individual to resist their desires and acting upon them...
And that's the first step of Chaos...

Now , We will need to see how each side can control itself... But taking into account History of both parties...we could be worried... Let's see how current gen handle it...
 
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We were once the torch bearers of the Ummah and look at us now,really a sad state of affair.
64.GIF
 
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Not really.

The purpose for the creation of Pakistan was a separate homeland for the Muslim natives residing at that time in the present day territory of Pakistan. So that we won't have to live with disgusting Hindus and can live our life accordingly (Two Nation theory).

As Allama Muhammad Iqbal stated in his famous Muslim League Presidential Address in Allahabad 1930, demanding a separate homeland for those Muslims residing in the North West of British India, for the first time in Muslim league history.

"I would like to see the Punjab, North-West Frontier Province, Sind and Baluchistan amalgamated into a single State. Self-government within the British Empire, or without the British Empire, the formation of a consolidated North-West Indian Muslim State appears to me to be the final destiny of the Muslims, at least of North-West India."

There was no mention of Bangal or Indian Muslims in his speech. The later events regarding Bangladesh and others proved him right. Just shows how prophetic this great son of soil was.

@Mangus Ortus Novem @Simurgh

All these people call afghan/aghanis as "namak haram" and with other such insults, the reasons for afghan/afghanis for being "namak haram" or "bastards" in their eyes are

1) Afghanis hate Pakistan

Now look at what the bhayya or other types of gangu muslims of india do,

1) They hate Pakistan much more than Afghanis
2) They are c********** of indian political parties like bjp and the government of india which are enemies of Pakistan

But you will never see the same lot calling gangu/indian Muslims as "namak haram" or "bastards" eventhough these bhayya/gangu indian "muslims" are the biggest haters of Pakistan since 1947, they bring "pakistan" in all BS discussions that take place on their gangu tv channels. I have been observing their hate for pakistan from 90s on indian national channel doordarshan when there wasn't even any internet facilities in Pakistan. Indian gangu "muslims" are bigger snakes and enemies of pakistan than any kind of "afghani" I have ever met in my life both in pakistan as well as abroad.
 
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@PakSword what was the Last Sermon of The Holy Prophet PBUH? Please, start a thread about it.. and I shall demonstrate together with you how it applies to Pakistan word for word...

I don't know if a separate thread is needed. Everyone of us knows what we are gathering for the day of judgement. It is clear in Quran and Hadith, that Muslims have been asked to be united, but we just want to impose our own theories to negate what's written in Quran and Hadith, and make it a matter of our ego.

And hold firmly to the rope of Allah all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided. (3:103)

Isn't the above verse not very clear? OK, maybe not for some.. lets read another verse:

The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy. (49:10)

Good that you reminded me about the last sermon. This is again to clear the filthy minds of racists, who are found in abundance throughout the Muslim world, not just India or Arabia, but Pakistan is prime example of racism:

"Arabs have no superiority over non-Arabs and Non-Arabs have no Superiority over Arabs, You are all equal except by piety and good actions. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray” (Prophet Muhammad's PBUH Last Sermon)

I don't know how can people who call themselves Muslims (whether they are Indians or Pakistanis, or Arabs) who can't feel pain of the fellow Muslims.. See this:

“The similitude of believers in regard to mutual love, affection, and fellow-feeling is that of one body; when any limb of it aches, the whole body aches, because of sleeplessness and fever.” (Sahih Muslim)

Still we are confused? Lets see another one:

“A Muslim is a brother of another Muslim, he doesn’t oppress him, neither does he hand him over to the enemy, he doesn’t disappoint him, nor does he humiliate him.”

A man once visited the Prophet’s mosque and saw a group of people including Salman (from Persia), Suhaib, a Greek, and Bilal, an African. The man said: “If the (Madinan) tribes of Aws and Khazraj support Muhammad, they are his people. But what are these people doing here?” The Prophet (peace be upon him) became angry when this was reported to him. He went to the mosque and summoned people to prayer where he addressed them saying: “O people know that the Lord and Sustainer is One. Your ancestor is one, your faith is one. The Arabism of anyone of you is not from your mother or father. It is no more than a tongue (language). Whoever speaks Arabic is an Arab.”

As I said, it is ego and arrogance in every Muslim that is hurting the ummah. I am not saying that Indian Muslims are very good, but they are as bad as all other Muslims, including us. After all, we are also arrogant and hate them. In fact some Pakistanis hate other Pakistanis more than Indian or Pakistani Muslims hate each other...

The Prophet PBUH teaches: “Whoever has arrogance in his heart equal to an atom’s weight shall not enter Paradise." A man inquired about a person who likes to wear beautiful clothes and fine shoes, he PBUH answered: "God is beautiful and likes beauty’ and explained pride as rejecting truth because of self-esteem and looking down on other people.”

It is very clear now why Muslims are oppressed everywhere in the world. We think Pakistan is safe? We are under the worst form of oppression.. which one? even if till now people haven't found out how Pakistanis are surviving, they they think they are much better than other, then all I can say is "May Allah help us". We are being humiliated, we have to go to ask for financial help from other countries, we are fighting long wars against ourselves.. we are putting worst kind of people to lead us.. Shouldn't we consider these signs of Allah that we aren't good Muslim, or sometimes I think good humans, either?

Why? Because we think we are a martial race. When others hear us making these kind of stupid statements, they laugh at us.. and why shouldn't they?

I can understand people's sentiments here about Afghans and Indian Muslims. Even my blood boils when I see their irrational attitude towards us.. But can we generalize all of them as such? Aren't Afghan Taliban Afghans who happily accept our advice seriously?

Where I work, I see and interact with a lot of Indians.. Indian Muslims are also here in large numbers... There are Indian Muslims who say that we Pakistanis don't even realize what we have.. I am hearing this quite often from Indian Muslims nowadays.. Still there are many who talk bad about Pakistan, but don't we have two type of people just like them? But lets consider they don't like us.. should we ignore Quran and Hadith and start hating all of them? No we shouldn't because we will be judged according to our actions..

I used to give this example few years back.. suppose there are two brothers.. due to any reason, they start hating each other.. they swear at each other, and don't like to see the face of each other.. One day one brother meets an accident.. will the first brother keep hating him or pray for his speedy recovery?? Suppose the brother is on a death bed, will the other brother still tell other people that since his brother hated him, he has no sympathy whatsoever?



 
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