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Global power shift gives Pakistan options
By Khuram Iqbal


The elimination of Osama Bin Laden in May 2011 heralded the end of an era in global geopolitics. For more than a decade the world was haunted with invisible enemies disguised in layers of religious and political ideologies. The US, the world's only remaining superpower, led the global war on terror that had successfully safeguarded the homeland against any major terrorist attack after 9/11 but also diverted its attention from more pressing issues at home and abroad. While the Americans became too obsessed with al-Qaeda and overstretched their resources in this war, China emerged, Russia resurged and Iran recuperated.

For Pakistan, the decade-long war on terror caused unprecedented instability and social disorder. The government lost control over large portions of territory in Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), Khyber Pukhtoonkhwa and Balochistan. More than 30,000 civilians, personnel of military and law enforcement agencies, leading religious scholars, politicians, journalists and international cricket became the casualties of war on terror. A whole generation lived under fear of bomb blasts resulting in indiscriminate killings. Pakistan's international image suffered and it was labeled the most dangerous country on the planet earth.

The US, India and Afghanistan were not the only countries blaming Islamabad for not doing enough against terrorism, a number of friendly countries including China and Iran also joined the chorus. The chaotic Western flank provided an opportunity to Islamabad's adversaries to fish in Pakistan's troubled waters by supporting unrest in Balochistan, Kurram Agency and Gilgit Baltistan. Memories from this subjugation at the hands of internal and external adversaries during a decade of humiliation - stretching from 2001 to 2011 - will have a profound impact on Pakistan's future strategic outlook.

From May 2011 onward, with the exception of retaliatory attacks to avenge Bin Laden's death in the immediate aftermath of Operation Neptune Spear in Abbottabad, the number of terrorist attacks in Pakistan has significantly declined. Various factors contributed to the relative calm in the country, which suffered more suicide attacks than Afghanistan and Iraq during 2007 and 2008.

Terrorist infrastructure in the tribal region has been extensively damaged during the military operations by Pakistan Army. The US drone strikes targeting the top leadership of al-Qaeda and Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) complimented Pakistan's ground offensives in FATA and squeezed the militants. The state's apparent anti-American posture after the Salala friendly fire incident absorbed rampant anti-Americanism that has been previously manifested in form of increased terrorist violence targeting the security force and other state institutions. The radio intercepts of Pakistani Taliban in FATA clearly indicate Pakistan government's assertive stance vis-a-vis America is effectively dissuading anti-state fighters from terrorism.

By the end of 2014 when the international forces depart from Afghanistan the threat of terrorism will persist in Pakistan but with reduced intensity. Islamabad will also attain the advantage of launching counter-terrorism operations on its own time and pace without any pressure from the American forces stationed in Afghanistan. However, the departure of international troops from the neighboring country does not mean the end of "Great Game" at our doorsteps. As soon as terrorism goes off the world's radar, Pakistan will be confronted with different strategic challenges.

Before disengaging from Afghanistan, the US has already outlined a policy that lays greater emphasis on Asia. The American pivot in Asia, specifically focusing on the Asia-Pacific, is intended to rebalance the global power structure that tilted largely in favor of China, Russia and Iran during last decade. The recent speech of the US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta at the Shangri-la Dialogue in Singapore set the tone for America's renewed focus on Asia-Pacific region. Panetta stated that the US will expand its military power and presence in support of "a deeper and more enduring partnership role" in the Asia-Pacific Region. He also announced that 60% of US Naval forces will be based in the Pacific by 2020.

Rhetorically, Americans have been very careful to avoid intimidating China in their greater military focus on Asia. At the Shangri-la 2012, Panetta attempted to allay Beijing's apprehensions over strategic rethink and dismissed claims it poses a threat to China. However, Beijing appears skeptical. For instance, a recent article in the PLA Daily, an official media outlet of the People's Liberation Army of China, suggested the strategy reflects Washington's growing concern about the erosion of its superiority in the world. The same article stated the Pentagon is returning to a threat-based planning model that increasingly emphasizes China. The US strategy and Chinese response indicate that the Pentagon is actually on the course to confront rather than engage one of her largest lenders, the People's Republic of China.

At present, Islamabad, seen as a traditional Chinese ally, does not shine too brightly in the new American strategy in Asia. However, due to its geographic proximity and history of relationships with China, India, Iran and Central Asia, Islamabad will inevitably be plunged into the new great game that may be called a rebirth of the Cold War, involving the US but with China replacing the Soviet Union. The country is located at the crossroads of China, an emerging superpower, India, the American counter-weight to China in South Asia and Iran, the permanent headache for powerful Israeli lobby in the US and for the Arab world.

With the dawn of the "China threat" in the American policy circles, Pakistan's options are limited. Prevalent anti-Americanism on the societal level further squeezes Islamabad's space to maneuver between a superpower and an aspiring one. The recent history of Pakistan-US relations suggests that the former is unlikely to repeat the mistakes of the Cold War and the "war on terror" by supporting an unpopular contestant for global supremacy.

Khuram Iqbal is the co-author of Pakistan: Terrorism Ground Zero. He is also a researcher and PhD student at the Centre for Transnational Crimes Prevention at the University of Wollongong, Australia

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Pakistan's Foreign policy has always revolved around dependency on one or the other Super powers .. If not USA as in past then its China like in present and future, not too many surprises there !!! :coffee:
 
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Pakistan's Foreign policy has always revolved around dependency on one or the other Super powers .. If not USA as in past then its China like in present and future, not too many surprises there !!! :coffee:

you could say the same about India. First the Soviets now the Americans. The point missed by you is that Pakistan position is not nearly as bad as Indians like to believe and that it has positive options
 
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you could say the same about India. First the Soviets now the Americans. The point missed by you is that Pakistan position is not nearly as bad as Indians like to believe and that it has positive options

Any neutral observer can judge that Pakistan is much more dependent on China than India is dependent on USA ... You are free to differ though . Infact USA needs us more than we ever need them . We have a positive relationship USA,West, Russia and China(recently conducted Naval drills with them , Indo-china trade set to touch 100 billion $) ... can you boast of such foreign policy options ??

You are way too dependent on China and thats not a good position to be in !
 
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Firstly we are not dependent on any state, and if we were wtf has that got to do with bhartis. We choose how we run our country, if we are dependent it is for certain reasons but we can go it alone.

Explain how we are dependent, technology, military assets, so called aid. Answer: every nation buys tech, military hardware, AID: look at how much we have lost since this war of terror consider what was "AID" as reimbursement. Other funds are for services rendered.

Now question yourself how you are dependent on other nations i.e. Russkies etc. You have jack sh1t that is note worthy all yourtech is bought or where you develop your own so called INDIGENOUS tech you require the expertise of foreign firms thus evidently not being INDIGENOUS and DEPENDENT on other nations.
 
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Without a doubt we are going through a slow but subtle power shift from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Whether it is 30,60 or 90 years we all have to accept that the next superpower will be China.

Indians.

When will guy's realize we are almost 6-7 times smaller than you. India is in the same league as China as the only other country with billion plus people. So we have no choice but to ally with a superpower in hope of balancing the equation with India. Do you guy's realize that the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh has more people than all of Pakistan?

You guy's are cozying up to USA because the threat you feel from rising China [ although they gave you a thrashing even when they were far from risen in 1962 ] yet you are in the same league as China. So what is wrong in small Pakistan cozying up to China?


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Mention USA and words like 'arrogant', bully etc pour out of Pakistani mouths. What you guy's have to realize is absolute power [ which comes with the being a superpower ] breeds arrogance. All powerful empires in history were arrogant and rode roughshod over the weak. To see this dynamic of power in play why not look inside Pakistan. Go to Sindh and watch how the Wadera behaves with the poor. In the cities watch how some high ranking civil servant behaves.

That same pattern is repeated in geopolitics. Power corrupts and begets arrogance. How did the Ceasar in Rome behave, how did Cyrus of Persia behave, how did the Ottoman Sultans behave and how did Moguls behave? For that matter how did the British behave at height of their power? So what makes you think when the Chinese get to be numero uno they are going to behave any differantly.

All the lovers of the 'Muslim brothers' who moan and b*t*ch about Isreal, Palestine, Libya etc why not find out how the Chinese treat the Uighur Muslims of Sinkiang Province [ what used to called Turkistan ] and how names like Kashgar, Khotan have been changed. Don't forget the Ughur's are not immigrants but Sinkiang [Turkistan] is their homeland.

What I do know is Aryan B has far more rights to his religion etc in Leeds, UK than a Uighur Muislim in his own home city of Kashgar. If the West is complaining about terrorism in Pakistan than so are the Chinese. The West has a list of wanted they want Pakistan to hand over or neutalize so does China. Right now Pakistani's have this romantic notion of Chinese.

Down the road when they find how China behaves as a superpower and watch how things change. Just like they moan about the immoral West with their loose women - well exact same will be said about hald dressed Chinese women. Lal Masjid operation by Musharaf was put into action under duress of the Chinese because they kidnapped some Chinese women in Islamabad and accused them of being 'loose women'.

There can never be equal relationship between a superpower and a weak Third World country. The latter will feel the 'dhanda' and arrogance. Right now the face of power and arrogance is Caucasian Americans but down the road it will be same power dynamic but replaced with the shorter, epicanthic fold of the Chinese face.

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My intention here is not to disrespect any Chinese members. I am only stating how the world is. Chinese just like the Americans belong to the same species, the human being with all the inherant flaws. Power changes people.
 
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When will guy's realize we are almost 6-7 times smaller than you. India is in the same league as China as the only other country with billion plus people. So we have no choice but to ally with a superpower in hope of balancing the equation with India. Do you guy's realize that the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh has more people than all of Pakistan?

You guy's are cozying up to USA because the threat you feel from rising China [ although they gave you a thrashing even when they were far from risen in 1962 ] yet you are in the same league as China.

You have perfectly articulated the mindset which keeps Pakistan from attaining its potential. I hope and pray that most Pakistanis do not think like you.

Mere numbers are irrelevant to define a country's potential. By your logic, all the current powers -- from US, UK, Russia, Japan, Germany, France -- should just pack up their bags and call it a day. There is nothing inevitable about a country becoming strong just because it has a lot of people, just as there is nothing inevitable about a smaller country destined to play second fiddle.

As for your gratuitous attack on the Chinese, you fail to understand the fundamental dynamics of the American political system and the absolute, uncompromising choke-hold of the pro-Israeli camp on US foreign policy.
 
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You have perfectly articulated the mindset which keeps Pakistan from attaining its potential. I hope and pray that most Pakistanis do not think like you

# I am a strong advocate of ultra secularism - if I made my views known publicly in Pakistan I would be hung.

# I am neutral about USA and the West [possibly even partial] - 80% of Pakistani's are rabidly anti USA and the West.

# If I had it my way I would enforce Kemalism in toto even as far as adopting Roman characters.

So your using my mindset to explain why Pakistan has failed to reach it's potential? Your hopes and prayers have been answered because probably <5% Pakistani's think like me. My type are indeed a very tiny minority, either in the general population or the establishment. Time to look somewhere else for Pakistan's failure?



Mere numbers are irrelevant to define a country's potenttial
Is that so? So if China was 50 times smaller the gravitas it has in the world today would be the same? Or if UK was 5 or 50 times larger would it's position in geopolitics be the same? Simple maths - 1 person has power of 1. 100 people will be power of 100. You might try to match uneven numbers by increasing your productivity but at the end of the day mass carries it's own intertia.

India presently has begun to figure at the world stage. If it shrank to Pakistan's size or was like I said before just constituted of Uttar Pradesh state which has about if not slightly larger population than of Pakistan you think it would still carry the same punch?

Both Pakistan are more or less at similar levels of development and in this context size becomes very important.


US, UK, Russia, Japan, Germany, France -- should just pack up their bags and call it a day

No they should not. They should add mass to counter extra mass by joining groups. Hint: NATO, EC, NAFTA. European countries realized post 1945 that they would not cope with bigger economies alone. Thus the establishment of European Community into which UK, France, Germany have subsumed their economic interests to create a huge aggregate.

On the defence side NATO is the aggregate. You can bet your life that NATO will increasingly shift attention to China. An example of this aggregate can be seen next door in Afghanistan where almost 30 flags fly over Kabul mostly western.


(1) As for your gratuitous attack on the Chinese, (2) you fail to understand the fundamental dynamics of the American political system and the absolute, uncompromising choke-hold of the pro-Israeli camp on US foreign policy.

I have no idea how the first part of the above quote has relevance with the second so I will address them separately.

(1) So my mentioning about the well known oppression of Uighur Muslim's in Turkistan [Sinkiang ] is "gratuitous attack on China"? Is there some red line I crossed here? Is China sacred and beyond any criticism? I just mentioned facts and I have no idea how that calls for such a reaction from you. Of course you could always claim this Ughur thing is western propaganda.

China and the Uighurs: Q&A | World news | guardian.co.uk

(2) I am well aware of AIPAC and it's hold on US and by default most of the Western world but I don't frankly care. do sir, tell me how that has a bearing on Pakistan? We choose not to recognize Isreal and we invite the wrath of AIPAC.


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Just let me make it clear when it comes to Pakistani official policy we should not give a rat's a*ss about the Uighur's and I actively support Pak government in scooping any Uighur 'terrorists' in Pakistan and sending them pronto our ally China. I am not happy at a personal level but the business of a state has to be run on cool, dispassionate grounds. Above all else self interest.

In the way I think official Pakistani policy towards Palestine should be informed by self interest and equally we should not give a rat's a*ss about the Palestinians. Accordingly we should recognize Isreal, why should Pakistan carry the burden of AIPAC's animosity? Again at private level I do feel for the Palestinians.

Morality and statecraft are mutually exclusive.

I must point out though that I am very concerned by Kashmir and do think Pakistan needs to focus on this issue exclusively.
 
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My intention here is not to disrespect any Chinese members. I am only stating how the world is. Chinese just like the Americans belong to the same species, the human being with all the inherant flaws. Power changes people.

We don't have the US-style philosophy of "American exceptionalism".

We acknowledge that we will be the same as any other great power in history. Liked by some, hated by others.

That's why we carefully study the rise and fall of other great powers, because we know that we are bound by the same rules that they are.

Is that so? So if China was 50 times smaller the gravitas it has in the world today would be the same? Or if UK was 5 or 50 times larger would it's position in geopolitics be the same? Simple maths - 1 person has power of 1. 100 people will be power of 100. You might try to match uneven numbers by increasing your productivity but at the end of the day mass carries it's own intertia.

That is the same argument commonly made by Indians, and it is wrong.

Quick example: The UK today, with a working-age population of only around 25 million, produces a much larger output (GDP) every year than India does.

In terms of Comprehensive National Power, countries like China and India do not rank highly. There is a point when a large population becomes a burden rather than a strength, and this has defined much of our recent history.
 
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Please let me make it clear I have deepest respect for China and Chinese people. You shall one day rule the world - That I have no doubt about. When you get to be numero uno, when you have tasted raw power only than will we see how China practices her raw power. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Let us see what happens. Every power has given itself a veneer of respectability. Even the USA goes around with this pretence of being a benign power. So did the British before them.

I am not saying there is anything bad about China. I am glad we are close to China to offset India and benefit from your powerhouse of a economy.

My referance to population size was in the context of India and Pakistan because both countries are about at the same level of development. In this matrix population size is very relevant. As an example if India was constituted of only Uttar Pradesh [ about same pop., of Pakistan ] India would not be able to even carry the burden of Indian army. So size does does matter.

In the same way if Pakistan disintegrated and only Punjab was left, it would not be able to sustain the present military burden.
 
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^^^ I Always Knew People like u Still Existed there ... who have not Covered there Mind & Eyes with Cover of Ego & Enmity... I Completely agree with u ... Hope Sanity prevails among Both Indians , Pakistan Even China , USA , NK , Iran etc & Peace returns to the Earth... Not in the Form of God & Religion But i the Form of Good Leaders & Good Governance...
 
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Please let me make it clear I have deepest respect for China and Chinese people. You shall one day rule the world - That I have no doubt about. When you get to be numero uno, when you have tasted raw power only than will we see how China practices her raw power. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Let us see what happens. Every power has given itself a veneer of respectability. Even the USA goes around with this pretence of being a benign power. So did the British before them.

No.... we will never rule the world. That is the very LAST thing that we want.

What we want is to become a developed nation. That is all.

Hu Jintao: China still a developing country - Xinhua News

We are not even a developed nation yet, so talk of being a "superpower" is nonsense. Talk of "ruling the world" is so far removed from reality, I can only come to the conclusion that you were being sarcastic.
 
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