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GLOBAL JIHAD: A THREAT THAT INDIA AND PAKISTAN CANNOT IGNORE – ANALYSIS

iF IN Ghazwa-e-Hind only so called foreign Muslim armies(without participation of Indian muslims) will try to invade then well best of luck to them :lol:
But i would reall be concerned if Indian muslims get radicalized,until and unless your ghazwa-e-hind will emain a distant dream :lol:

OH boy oh boy do i have a Gift for you.Raw has used these clowns to destabilize pakistan and now chickens have started to give eggs with in.


The slogan of caliphate has spread to India. NewAgeIslam, a well-known online forum for debate on Muslim affairs, has disclosed a charter of demands presented by a leading India Muslim scholar, Maulana Salman Husain Nadvi, urging Saudi Arabia to establish a caliphate.

Maulana Nadvi is reported to have pleaded for a world Islamic army and argued against branding the religious militants as terrorists. Instead, these “sincere Muslim youth fighting for a noble cause” should be united in a confederation of jihadi organisations for worldwide action under the guidance of the ulema.

Maulana Nadvi is quoted as saying: “As for the issue of Qadianis, particularly Safavids [meaning Iran?] and those who abuse the sahaba [meaning Shias], we should not be afraid of them and we do not need to go to the US or Israel to ward off threats from them. Just recruit the Ahle-Sunnah youth from the Indian subcontinent [does that include Pakistan?] and form a powerful Muslim army of the Islamic world. After that there will be no need of the so-called army of the sick youth of the Gulf states.

If you are sincere towards the true faith, true path, Sunnah and for the protection of the true path of Islam, then simply make an appeal, a call. Five lakh youth from the Indian subcontinent will be provided.”

Maulana Nadvi is also quoted as saying: “Military training among the Muslim youth should be stressed. Every effort should be made to save them from freedom and social evils.”
 
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Brig Gupta either cannot comprehend the essence of Jihad or willfully weaves a tale which will earn him kudos from anti-Muslims.
 
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OH boy oh boy do i have a Gift for you.Raw has used these clowns to destabilize pakistan and now chickens have started to give eggs with in.
The slogan of caliphate has spread to India. NewAgeIslam, a well-known online forum for debate on Muslim affairs, has disclosed a charter of demands presented by a leading India Muslim scholar, Maulana Salman Husain Nadvi, urging Saudi Arabia to establish a caliphate.
Maulana Nadvi is reported to have pleaded for a world Islamic army and argued against branding the religious militants as terrorists. Instead, these “sincere Muslim youth fighting for a noble cause” should be united in a confederation of jihadi organisations for worldwide action under the guidance of the ulema.
Maulana Nadvi is quoted as saying: “As for the issue of Qadianis, particularly Safavids [meaning Iran?] and those who abuse the sahaba [meaning Shias], we should not be afraid of them and we do not need to go to the US or Israel to ward off threats from them. Just recruit the Ahle-Sunnah youth from the Indian subcontinent [does that include Pakistan?] and form a powerful Muslim army of the Islamic world. After that there will be no need of the so-called army of the sick youth of the Gulf states.
If you are sincere towards the true faith, true path, Sunnah and for the protection of the true path of Islam, then simply make an appeal, a call. Five lakh youth from the Indian subcontinent will be provided.”
Maulana Nadvi is also quoted as saying: “Military training among the Muslim youth should be stressed. Every effort should be made to save them from freedom and social evils.”
Great Saying....
 
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Brig Sahab want Pakistan to fight for India for FREE......O God Never...Ever
America Paid us BILLIONS $ in Soviet Era to fight their War, and Brig Sahab by Blackmailing Pakistan want us to FIGHT FOR FREE
Severe Banya mentality........NEVER NEVER NEVER

But, but you martial race Pakistanis have always been Hindustan's bodyguards. We forgave you for weakening up to the Mughal invasion. Now stand tall and keep away those bad bad extremists from Hindustan :D
 
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The fact remains, that the J(ahil)dis are the biggest threat to Pakistan at the moment and eventually to India as well. Pakistan's collapse will not be a godsend but rather a bad omen for India since the resulting spill off will damage it the most.

Really?
Since when?
It's the terrible government which is Pakistan's biggest threat.
Pakistani counter-terror funds spent on luxury gifts: report - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Rs 8,500 bn corruption mars Gilani tenure: Transparency | PAKISTAN - geo.tv


Would we be able to fight terrorism when our own government is using the money to buy lavish gifts and arrange private trips? Would we be able to fight poverty and un-employment (which inevitably lead to the youth turning towards extremist organisations) when our funds are secretly being transferred to Swiss bank accounts? Would families be turning to religious madrassas if our education system wasn't so corrupt, inefficient and lousy?
Our biggest threat right now is our own government.
 
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I wish that it never happen. However, whenever India has try to build a good relation with Pakistan, Pakistani army has always sabotaged the peace initiative. Now there is almost a consensus in Indian political and military circle that Pakistan army and ISI will never allow the relations to improve. All our peace initiative are going to remain superficial. We have to be prepared for back stabbing. In this sort of scenario, Whether India will help or not will purely. depend on the evaluation plus and minus of helping the Pakistan and will not be out of any friendship (My guise) .




It was a different scenario then when foreign Invader usd to come via Hindukush. In modern age people will attack by sky and not via Hindukush.

Do you really believe that groups like ISIS or the TTP will fly into India with F16s or better still Boeing 747s ? :undecided:
 
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thats not my dream ... it is a Prophecy .. maybe it happen already ..or it will ..
by laughing at nothing only makes you look more stupid

Laughing at a prophecy for which people are willing to die and kill makes ME look stupid???

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By Brig Anil Gupta

A sensational story published last week in Daily Mail, UK revealed the ideological goal of Al-Qaeda as Ghazwa-e-Hind, or the final battle in India. It also quoted intelligence agencies to say that the terror network is making inroads into India, “sowing the seeds of a final war across the country”.

It further stated “not only Kashmir groups but Taliban and Al-Qaeda groups have stakes in the larger scheme of Ghazwa-e-Hind where India is regarded as next battleground in the ‘End of Times’ battle.” This ideology is likely to be used to drive Taliban and Al-Qaeda affiliates into Kashmir. What is this ideology? What does ‘Hind’ mean?

Ghazwa-e-Hind

Ghazwa-e-Hind is a prophesied battle in which Muslim armies would invade the Indian subcontinent and would be victorious and establish Islamic law in the subcontinent. Flag the word Indian subcontinent. Hind does not mean only India but includes Pakistan as well. But anti-Indian Muslims in Pakistan have spin-doctored the ideology to mislead the community and create a hatred for India.

This school of thought is also promoted by the Pakistani Army because it suits its ambition of subverting the supremacy of the elected government. As per them, “the concept of Khilafat, armies of greater Khorasan led by Pakistan and invasion and capturing of India in the end times, is a mainstream Islamic concept. It would reshape the geopolitics of the present and future world.’ Note how cleverly Hind (which included Pakistan as well) has been replaced by India.

Syed Zaman, a jihadist-turned-religious scholar and mouthpiece of the Pakistani Army says: “The modern geopolitics supports this spiritual intelligence as well. India is betting itself with crusader Zionists of the West. History is a witness that it is the armies from Greater Khorasan which have always invaded and destroyed the myth of Hindu power. This will be done once again – for one final time led by the Pakistani Army.”

Some Pakistanis led by the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) harbour the idea of a “Greater Pakistan”. The envisioned map of Greater Pakistan and the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS)’s Caliphate of Khorasan are almost mirror copies of each other.

The idea draws inspiration from the doctrine of Ghazwa-e-Hind. Major parts of India and Afghanistan are included in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan or the “Greater Pakistan.” Isn’t this a fantasy? Such fantasies and ideologies were needed to motivate and rejuvenate the Pakistani Army after it suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of Indian Army in 1971. By no stretch of imagination Pakistan, even in its wildest dreams, can think to push across India like this. Such visions are fanatical but far removed from ground reality.

What is the reality?

The doctrine of Ghazwa-e-Hind is being used by terrorists, extremists and fundamentalists to incite hatred against India and give it a religious colour and justification. Buoyed by the unprecedented success achieved by ISIS in the recent months the international jihadi outfits want to expand the conflict zone in order to achieve their cherished dream of World Dominion of Caliphates.

In mid- June this year Al-Qaeda released a video titled ‘War should continue, message to the Muslims of Kashmir.’ In this video Al-Qaeda called upon Muslims of Kashmir to follow the example of their brothers in Syria and Iraq and revolt against the authorities. It asked the Kashmiris to seek inspiration from the “new Afghanistan being created in Syria.”

In the video Maulana Asim Umar, Al-Qaeda’s Pakistani propagandist, exhorted Muslims living in India and Pakistan as well as the two parts of Kashmir to join the global jihadi movement seeking to re-establish an Islamic Caliphate – as envisioned in Ghazwatulhind. The video promises a “caravan” of “heroic martyrs” coming from Afghanistan via Pakistan to “liberate Kashmir”.

This was followed by the call made by the self-styled Khaliffah Ibrahim of Caliph of Islamic State at the beginning of the pious month of Ramzan. He called upon all believers to take up arms and terrify the enemies of Allah. Among the enemy countries he named both India and Pakistan. In another development, parts of northwest India and the whole of Pakistan were included in the Caliphate of Khorasan, in a map issued by the ISIS.

In yet another development Syed Salahuddin, chairman of Pakistan-based United Jihad Council and Hizbul Mujahedeen supremo, has invited Al-Qaeda and Taliban and like- minded groups to extend a helping hand to “oppressed Kashmiris”. He announced “Jihad on the lines of ISIS in Iraq is the solution to Kashmir.”

Are these actions a mere coincidence or ominous warnings to the rulers in India and Pakistan?

Global Jihad

The dark clouds of Jihad are hovering all over. The international terrorist outfits are shifting their focus towards the Indian subcontinent. ISIS has donned the role of premier international terrorist outfit. All others, including Al-Qaeda, appear to have accepted its supremacy. Pakistan’s ISI can go to any extent to harm India. It also appears to have joined the band wagon.

Having failed to realise the dream of Greater Pakistan it is now trying to destabilise India and attack its basic core value of secularism through the so called Global Jihad. The concept of Ghazwa-e–Hind and the intent of Global Jihad is the same. Global Jihad is the campaign under which Islamist terrorist outfits are urging Muslims in India to wage war against their own country with the intention of turning it into an Islamic State. Their aim is to establish Islamist world supremacy.

However, ISI is ignoring, to its own peril, the threat posed by the Islamist terrorist outfits to Pakistan as well. A network of militant Islamist groups stretches from the Arabian Sea to the Persian Gulf, and from the Hindu Kush to the Indian Ocean. For them anybody who does not subscribe to their interpretation of Islam is not a Muslim and needs to be killed. They have pronounced the regimes in Pakistan, Afghanistan and India as “oppressive.”

Al-Qaeda is the most infamous of these groups. In a video released by Al-Qaeda in March 2012, its chief Ayman al-Zawahiri called on Pakistanis to revolt against their government and military. He said: “O our brothers in Pakistan! O our people in Pakistan! This treacherous army and bribe-taking government have plundered your wealth. They have ruined your economy and destroyed your world as well as your hereafter. What then are you waiting for? Take a lead from your brothers in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen and Syria who are standing up against oppression and oppressors with their bare chests exposed and offering sacrifices so that victory may be ordained for them.”

Despite whatever the Pakistan Army may say, the Tehrik-e-Taliban-Pakistan (TTP) is a close associate of Al-Qaeda. Jamat-e-Islami and its student wing are known to provide shelter to Al-Qaeda cadre in its urban centres. Radicalisation of rank and file in the Pakistan Army is also well known. There are hard line militant sympathisers among senior ranks in the army. The details about the arrest in June 2011 of Brig Ali Khan, a third generation soldier, are already in the public domain. He was linked to a banned terrorist organisation Hizb-ut-Tehrir (HUT) that rejects democracy and calls for the establishment of a global Islamic caliphate. Pakistan therefore can ill-afford to dismiss the threat to its existence from Islamist jihadi outfits.

The battle cry of Ghazwa-e-Hind is being used by the terrorist outfits to motivate and indoctrinate their cadres. ISIS has evolved different strategy for different nations to fulfil its cherished dream of World Dominion of Caliphates.

According to my hypothesis, which needs to be confirmed by the intelligence agencies, Al-Qaeda has been made responsible for waging jihad in the proposed Caliphate of Khorasan. The centre of gravity of this jihad is going to be Kashmir and would spread across the entire Indian subcontinent.

Al-Qaeda to prove its relevance is going to use all resources at its disposal, including Taliban and its various factions, Pakistan-based terrorist outfits, Hizbul Mujahedeen (HM) and Indian Mujahedeen (IM). The latter would be used outside Kashmir while the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and Jaish would be used to support HM as well as IM. TTP supported by Uzbeks, Chechens and Uighurs would take care of Pakistan. Taliban would challenge the Afghan National Security Forces. The likely time of launch would coincide with the US drawdown in end 2014. There are enough indicators to support my hypothesis.

It would be in the best interest of India and Pakistan to contain these terrorist outfits and prevent their free movement. If we do not fight the international terrorist outfits across the Durand line, we may have to then fight them across the Radcliffe line. A scenario both India and Pakistan would dread.

Conclusion

The concept of Caliphates does not recognise national boundaries. Pakistan has to realise that the Global jihad is as dangerous for her existence as it is for destabilising India. Ghazwa-e-Hind as prophesied includes the entire Indian subcontinent. Pakistan no longer can ignore the ominous signals. It is for both India and Pakistan to bury the hatchet and get ready to face the common enemy in the form of Islamist terror.

Both countries need to evolve a joint mechanism to fight the growing menace. One sincerely hopes that reality would dawn on the Pakistani authorities to change their anti-India outlook lest they are determined to implode. For the Indian authorities it would be advisable to take China on board. China is not merely a threat but provides a lot of opportunities as well, particularly when Pakistan has hurt China also by supporting the Uighur Islamist militants and separatist movement in Xinjiang. China may be more than willing to rein in Pakistan if it decides to ignore this sane advice.

(Brig Anil Gupta served in the Indian Army for 37 years. He is presently a political commentator, security and strategic analyst. He can be contacted atsouthasiamonitor1@gmail.com)

This article appeared at South Asia Monitor.

Global Jihad: A Threat That India And Pakistan Cannot Ignore - Analysis | Eurasia Review

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@Zarvan
This war is going to happen sooner or later and India will be taken and enemies will be wiped out and global Jihad is threat for kuffar Pakistani state only needs to start Jihad on state level with Pakistani Armed Forces
 
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Really?
Since when?
It's the terrible government which is Pakistan's biggest threat.
Pakistani counter-terror funds spent on luxury gifts: report - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Rs 8,500 bn corruption mars Gilani tenure: Transparency | PAKISTAN - geo.tv


Would we be able to fight terrorism when our own government is using the money to buy lavish gifts and arrange private trips? Would we be able to fight poverty and un-employment (which inevitably lead to the youth turning towards extremist organisations) when our funds are secretly being transferred to Swiss bank accounts? Would families be turning to religious madrassas if our education system wasn't so corrupt, inefficient and lousy?
Our biggest threat right now is our own government.

Nope, that is a general cess pool that we are as a nation. But the state may still survive in its pathetic form with corruption while Islamic militancy will unravel it.
 
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The fact remains, that the J(ahil)dis are the biggest threat to Pakistan at the moment and eventually to India as well. Pakistan's collapse will not be a godsend but rather a bad omen for India since the resulting spill off will damage it the most.


Of course that POV is valid to an extent. But this 'very clear and present danger' is also serving to polarise forces on "the other side" . Not for nothing was the "Clash of Civilisations" idea conceived and postulated!!!!!

Unless "moderates" come out openly and demonstratively debunk this "bunkum idea" of Jehad; these madmen will keep on gaining traction.
@Oscar; not for nothing did I say that some "marketing strategies" seem to be working phenomenally; where people can be motivated to go to an ultimate extremity in pursuance of some place in a 'putative paradise' or some other nebulous idea. Just as you touched upon the amazing phenomenon of some people travelling to some strange and unknown corner of the world "to kill and/or be killed" as easily and casually as if travelling to the Carneval in Rio!!

Every violent movement will create a (nearly) equally violent back-lash...... which are the people who are looking forward to get caught up in it?
 
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You have left out a whole lot of details on which any GoI will base its decision.
1. For example - have the nuclear weapons been taken out by US/China/International Consortium or secured by the remnant Pakistani Govt.

2. Or are they fair game in their silos with the militants running a race to get to them first.

In case where nuclear weapons have been removed from the situation(point 1), GoI under BJP will be indifferent to Pakistan and seal the borders essentially acquiescing to civilian executions by the terrorists.

GoI under Congress will allow all refugees but not cooperate with Pakistan/minor cooperation in order to prevent complete State collapse.

All the while both making statements supporting Pakistan.

In case where there is a possibility of nuclear weapons falling in the hands of the militants(Scenario 2), any GoI would support Pakistan as much as possible in whichever way required.
At best if GoI feels opportunistic, BJP may make some demands in return for support, Congress may or may not. But regardless, both will support the legitimate Govt of Pakistan to prevent a complete State collapse which allows nuclear weapons in the hands of terrorists.

Essentially our best and only aspiration would be to keep Pakistani Punjab and Sindh safer. Because these areas are contiguous to India. Beyond Indus, India wont care much.


If such a condition arise that Pakistan is close to collapse, and Pakistani nukes may fall into the hand of terrorists, Indian government could strike out against nuclear and missile facilities of Pakistan in order to reduce the number of weapons that may fall into terrorist's hands.

Do you really believe that groups like ISIS or the TTP will fly into India with F16s or better still Boeing 747s ? :undecided:


No,

But in a battle between camel riders and cluster bombs, Cluster bomb always win.


If a state embrace no-holds barred brutality, it could wipe out any terrorist group irrespective of mitigating factors.
 
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So India will be willing to kill innocents before proven guilty?

YES.
If push comes to shove, then all and any methods will be open to use. Once the complexion of an "existential struggle" as included in ideas like the "Clash of Civilisations" find common acceptance; then it will be 'Open Season'....
Do you think that it cannot happen or has never happened?
 
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Laughing at a prophecy for which people are willing to die and kill makes ME look stupid???

how-does-a-crazy-person-walk-through-the-forest.jpeg

that is obviously not your concern what peoples are dying for ... or what people believe .. you find it funny , you can laugh at mirror ...
 
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that is obviously not your concern what peoples are dying for ... or what people believe .. you find it funny , you can laugh at mirror ...

Actually its not my concern what superstitious idiots are dying for, its just darwinism at play, its their killing others for their idiotic beliefs that concerns me genius!
 
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Actually its not my concern what superstitious idiots are dying for, its just darwinism at play, its their killing others for their idiotic beliefs that concerns me genius!

and that doesnt concerns you than indians kill Kashmiri peoples ??
double standard ?
 
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